-Drat this dial-up connection which makes me late to the board!! [9:15pm] The last ten minutes embody the entire reason I watch this show. Superb. //edited to substitute an adjective other than "brilliant," which everyone already used a skillion times because of my stupd dial-up connection which makes me late to the board...
- How many of us have been saying for seasons that Lorelai and Emily just needed to have it out?
.. I was really quite surprised that the staff responded to Rory's Paris-Lite impression. Would have liked the setup better if it were honey that won the staff back, not intimidation.
p.3 AND SCENE.
can't stop won't stop. p.4...
- The last scene was awesome except for the fact it made me wish AS-P and everyone would take more chances like that. It was different. They took the camera off the tripod, off the steadicam. They used jump cuts. They never did that before. Say what you will, Gilmore Girls is a great show undoubtedly, but a flat one visually. I want more jump-cutty shaky-cam kinetic creativity flowing.
- My roommates and I have been getting really sick of this show all season, but we heard that tonight was going to *finally* involve the GG hashing it out with Richard and Emily, so we decided to watch only the last ten minutes of the ep--knowing, of course, that the confrontation wouldn't happen until then.Best. Strategy. Ever. Would do business with again A+++++.
haaaaaaahahahahahahahaha.
-It's like everything thats happened since the show started had been leading to that moment for Lorelai to say enough is enough, we're going to talk this through.
-Only issue that didn't come up: I was hoping for a little Lorelai vs. Rory over Rory's behavior the previous summer. I thought maybe Emily would have pointed out how Rory wouldn't even tell her mother she was moving out and Emily had to do it. That would have brought up some good stuff. Lorelai still hasn't had the courage to talk to Rory about any of that. good point.
Tuesday, January 31, 2006
ohgreat from BLegal forum: Great DVD News - dvd in May from Fox. first David E Kelley show from the studio but Fox plans to realease more in next year or two.
-And on the same note, I was just coming over here to post this. Check the Jan. 20 item:
Also, we've got some very good news today for you fans of producer David E. Kelley's various TV series. As many of you already know, Fox DID release a "best of" DVD of Ally McBeal episodes back in 2000... but that's pretty much been it thus far. Fox DOES own the DVD release rights to all of the Kelley TV series, including Ally McBeal, Boston Public, Snoops, The Practice and the current hit Boston Legal. It turns out that the problem with getting these things on DVD is the dreaded music rights clearance issue. Popular music plays a key role (to varying degrees of prominence) in virtually all of Kelley's shows, and getting the music industry to license these songs affordably for home video is an expensive prospect. That said, our sources are telling us to expect both Ally McBeal: The Complete First Season and Boston Legal: The Complete First Season to arrive on DVD from Fox sometime in the first half of 2006.
- celebrating film in the digital age - digitalbits.com/rumormill.
and:
nanasez I work in the mental health field, doing psych testing and consulting work on hard to diagnose cases. The first episode with Hands, I was thinking, "Hmm. He's kind of Aspergery." But I kind of brushed it off because I never expected a show to know anything about Asperger's, or to do it well. There was probably a bit more eye contact than one would get with an Asperger's patient - unless he's been taught by someone to look people in the eye. And that's possible. It was a great portrayal by the actor playing Hands. I just love this show so much. I love everything from the "Legal Porn" opening music, to the smokey reflections on the balcony. It's one of those rare meshings of the right actors playing fantastic characters, and with writing that is crisp and witty.
- Spader/Shatner are the heart and soul of this show, and they are the best actors on television.
-And on the same note, I was just coming over here to post this. Check the Jan. 20 item:
Also, we've got some very good news today for you fans of producer David E. Kelley's various TV series. As many of you already know, Fox DID release a "best of" DVD of Ally McBeal episodes back in 2000... but that's pretty much been it thus far. Fox DOES own the DVD release rights to all of the Kelley TV series, including Ally McBeal, Boston Public, Snoops, The Practice and the current hit Boston Legal. It turns out that the problem with getting these things on DVD is the dreaded music rights clearance issue. Popular music plays a key role (to varying degrees of prominence) in virtually all of Kelley's shows, and getting the music industry to license these songs affordably for home video is an expensive prospect. That said, our sources are telling us to expect both Ally McBeal: The Complete First Season and Boston Legal: The Complete First Season to arrive on DVD from Fox sometime in the first half of 2006.
- celebrating film in the digital age - digitalbits.com/rumormill.
and:
nanasez I work in the mental health field, doing psych testing and consulting work on hard to diagnose cases. The first episode with Hands, I was thinking, "Hmm. He's kind of Aspergery." But I kind of brushed it off because I never expected a show to know anything about Asperger's, or to do it well. There was probably a bit more eye contact than one would get with an Asperger's patient - unless he's been taught by someone to look people in the eye. And that's possible. It was a great portrayal by the actor playing Hands. I just love this show so much. I love everything from the "Legal Porn" opening music, to the smokey reflections on the balcony. It's one of those rare meshings of the right actors playing fantastic characters, and with writing that is crisp and witty.
- Spader/Shatner are the heart and soul of this show, and they are the best actors on television.
6-13 "Friday Night's Alright for Fighting" 01.31.2006
I think tonight's episode was the best GG has had in a long while yes, almost entirely due to the FND part (stands for? ah Friday Night Dinner got Friday Night part from ggl). The camera work when Rory was arguing with her grandparents was unusual yep yes so satisfying someone saying just what I tht, even though makes sense that this would stand out to most watchers, I don't think I've ever seen GG do person-switching like that right, but it worked well I'm on the fencand e. Lorelai's rendition of her talk with her parents and "And scene!" was brilliant. as she also said in Rory's Bday episode this season when Emily said 'we haven't failed until she comes home pregnant.' oh wait, no, she said "And- I'm out." // She said "And Scene" after dropping pizza box in her kitchen, it was great, I laughed watched repeatedly - 5th season probably. //
- the last 10 minutes of that episode might have just vaulted into first place for my favorite 10 minutes of the ENTIRE SERIES. it was momentous. season finale level happening: nobody's leaving until we work this out.
- I just think Rory should have come around on her own. She’s not a child anymore and needs to learn to deal with the conflict with her grandparents. Particularly since they took her in after she lost her freakin’ mind. yeah. Say what you will about Logan or his motivations, but he certainly stepped it up this evening. yup. I just wish he wasn’t all up Rory’s ass. yup. Rory totally deserved the initial cold shoulder from Emily and Richard. This may have been the best ep ever – just because people actually talked about stuff. Finally!
- I had a lot to say about the episode as a whole, but everything I was thinking prior to that last commercial break has been forgotten after that last awesome sequence. I was surprised that the FND was crammed into the last ten minutes, but man, were those last ten minutes absolutely brilliant. It was a departure for the series, but it was successful and cinematic and beautifully done. When I saw the preview clips, I was a little skeptical of the handheld camera work, but I loved it. Loved Emily re-enacting her Shira smackdown, loved Lorelai rehashing the AHINAH cry for help, loved the always classic “WE WERE SIXTEEN!”[to emily's: if you get pregnant, you get married, that's what people do.] I love Luke and Lorelai just as much as anyone else, but this show is always at its best when it deals with the Gilmore family. Season six has felt uneven to me, and after tonight I know it’s been the lack of FNDs. huh probably so. ETA: Now I remember one of my pre-FDN thoughts...tonight was the first episode where I haven't been repulsed by Logan. The name dropping to the printer didn't even bother me.
- The dinner scene... Oh, how I loved it.
- That was the best Friday night dinner ever. The camera work during the beginning of teh fight, though, the camera swinging around, was awful and distracting. It was making the fact the we're watching a TV show all too obvious. actually yeah maybe I think so too. I did have to close my eyes and just listen (making me dizzy, but I was discounting that as due to my whateveritisthatmakesmesoeasilycarsick).
- ..shot in such an unlike GG way that it was distracting. [pretty mixed rxns to this]
- Lauren Graham knocked it out again, especially her Emily and Richard impressions. I liked the fight scene a lot. Richard egging Emily on when they were insulting the Huntzbergers was awesome.
- I'll never complain about this show again. That was excellent.
- I found it brilliant and refreshing since season 6 has been a bore so far.The FND is my new favorite scene(s)!!
- I loved the switching between yelling and laughter and exhaustion and yelling. ..this episode really got me thinking that this is a family. me too yup yep.
- What was with the fight montage? It was pretty awesome throughout, but was all of it supposed to be real? Were they really having those huge mood swings and fights? I kept on thinking, "this must be going on in their heads", but apparently not. me too too also.
- I am in AWE of the last ten minutes of that show. That may have been the greatest ten minutes of any show ever. well~. but momentous enough that someone should be saying that. (it's just that this isn't a ~what? serious~artistic-highbudget enough show for that scene to compare with... I dunno, eg, the last scene montage clare driving of Six Feet Under). Line of the night is cocktail waitress is my mother's version of the C word. yeah huhuh.
- I wonder where Paris got the sheet metal to create her bunker?
- Paris' shanty was a crack-up, I totally agree.
- I like when I like Logan. And as for Paris, I guess power corrupts her, and she looses it. Think back to the C-SPAN incident of senior year at Chilton. Maybe it's not messing with the character as much as I originally thought.
- I can't even believe how good that episode was.I was beginning to lose faith in Gilmore. I've been a devoted fan, always saying how I trusted Amy, etc, etc, but... I was losing hope. The FND scene was incredible. It was an innovative filming technique for GG, and I love that they're taking risks. This whole episode just rocked.
-a naysayer but with good comments: That, excepting the last 12 minutes may have been one of the worst episodes of Gilmore Girls ever made. .. Just give Lorelai her own show, PLEASE. mm. And maybe Richard can guest star. good. With pre Ihaveadaughter!Luke.
- I'm personally never amused when Rory goody-two-shoes swoops in for the rescue. yeah me neither. The jumpy camera stuff during the fight just made me motion sick.
- Lorelai if you're unhappy about Luke bogarting his daughter, tell him for goodness sake. He's a dumb guy. He doesn't always get it.
bogarting? Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. cool. Wordorigins.org: Letter B
- this was a tribue to the Woody Allen Movie "Husbands and Wives"--they ripped the scene off from that movie, ASP even said so in a recent interview.
-Those last ten minutes dished out pretty much every problem those four characters have EVER had with one another. It was trippy, and I liked it. For the first time in a long time, I'm looking forward to what's to come.
from just page 1 and 2 of TWoP forum but I gotta let it go, least for now.
I think tonight's episode was the best GG has had in a long while yes, almost entirely due to the FND part (stands for? ah Friday Night Dinner got Friday Night part from ggl). The camera work when Rory was arguing with her grandparents was unusual yep yes so satisfying someone saying just what I tht, even though makes sense that this would stand out to most watchers, I don't think I've ever seen GG do person-switching like that right, but it worked well I'm on the fencand e. Lorelai's rendition of her talk with her parents and "And scene!" was brilliant. as she also said in Rory's Bday episode this season when Emily said 'we haven't failed until she comes home pregnant.' oh wait, no, she said "And- I'm out." // She said "And Scene" after dropping pizza box in her kitchen, it was great, I laughed watched repeatedly - 5th season probably. //
- the last 10 minutes of that episode might have just vaulted into first place for my favorite 10 minutes of the ENTIRE SERIES. it was momentous. season finale level happening: nobody's leaving until we work this out.
- I just think Rory should have come around on her own. She’s not a child anymore and needs to learn to deal with the conflict with her grandparents. Particularly since they took her in after she lost her freakin’ mind. yeah. Say what you will about Logan or his motivations, but he certainly stepped it up this evening. yup. I just wish he wasn’t all up Rory’s ass. yup. Rory totally deserved the initial cold shoulder from Emily and Richard. This may have been the best ep ever – just because people actually talked about stuff. Finally!
- I had a lot to say about the episode as a whole, but everything I was thinking prior to that last commercial break has been forgotten after that last awesome sequence. I was surprised that the FND was crammed into the last ten minutes, but man, were those last ten minutes absolutely brilliant. It was a departure for the series, but it was successful and cinematic and beautifully done. When I saw the preview clips, I was a little skeptical of the handheld camera work, but I loved it. Loved Emily re-enacting her Shira smackdown, loved Lorelai rehashing the AHINAH cry for help, loved the always classic “WE WERE SIXTEEN!”[to emily's: if you get pregnant, you get married, that's what people do.] I love Luke and Lorelai just as much as anyone else, but this show is always at its best when it deals with the Gilmore family. Season six has felt uneven to me, and after tonight I know it’s been the lack of FNDs. huh probably so. ETA: Now I remember one of my pre-FDN thoughts...tonight was the first episode where I haven't been repulsed by Logan. The name dropping to the printer didn't even bother me.
- The dinner scene... Oh, how I loved it.
- That was the best Friday night dinner ever. The camera work during the beginning of teh fight, though, the camera swinging around, was awful and distracting. It was making the fact the we're watching a TV show all too obvious. actually yeah maybe I think so too. I did have to close my eyes and just listen (making me dizzy, but I was discounting that as due to my whateveritisthatmakesmesoeasilycarsick).
- ..shot in such an unlike GG way that it was distracting. [pretty mixed rxns to this]
- Lauren Graham knocked it out again, especially her Emily and Richard impressions. I liked the fight scene a lot. Richard egging Emily on when they were insulting the Huntzbergers was awesome.
- I'll never complain about this show again. That was excellent.
- I found it brilliant and refreshing since season 6 has been a bore so far.The FND is my new favorite scene(s)!!
- I loved the switching between yelling and laughter and exhaustion and yelling. ..this episode really got me thinking that this is a family. me too yup yep.
- What was with the fight montage? It was pretty awesome throughout, but was all of it supposed to be real? Were they really having those huge mood swings and fights? I kept on thinking, "this must be going on in their heads", but apparently not. me too too also.
- I am in AWE of the last ten minutes of that show. That may have been the greatest ten minutes of any show ever. well~. but momentous enough that someone should be saying that. (it's just that this isn't a ~what? serious~artistic-highbudget enough show for that scene to compare with... I dunno, eg, the last scene montage clare driving of Six Feet Under). Line of the night is cocktail waitress is my mother's version of the C word. yeah huhuh.
- I wonder where Paris got the sheet metal to create her bunker?
- Paris' shanty was a crack-up, I totally agree.
- I like when I like Logan. And as for Paris, I guess power corrupts her, and she looses it. Think back to the C-SPAN incident of senior year at Chilton. Maybe it's not messing with the character as much as I originally thought.
- I can't even believe how good that episode was.I was beginning to lose faith in Gilmore. I've been a devoted fan, always saying how I trusted Amy, etc, etc, but... I was losing hope. The FND scene was incredible. It was an innovative filming technique for GG, and I love that they're taking risks. This whole episode just rocked.
-a naysayer but with good comments: That, excepting the last 12 minutes may have been one of the worst episodes of Gilmore Girls ever made. .. Just give Lorelai her own show, PLEASE. mm. And maybe Richard can guest star. good. With pre Ihaveadaughter!Luke.
- I'm personally never amused when Rory goody-two-shoes swoops in for the rescue. yeah me neither. The jumpy camera stuff during the fight just made me motion sick.
- Lorelai if you're unhappy about Luke bogarting his daughter, tell him for goodness sake. He's a dumb guy. He doesn't always get it.
bogarting? Several people have emailed me asking how Humphrey Bogart's name became associated with a term meaning selfishness. Ah, how soon we forget the intricacies of '60s drug culture. The selfish connotation comes from hogging a marijuana cigarette. Someone who kept the joint in their mouth, hanging from their lip like Bogey, would be bogarting the joint. Instead of bogarting, one should pass it on to another. cool. Wordorigins.org: Letter B
- this was a tribue to the Woody Allen Movie "Husbands and Wives"--they ripped the scene off from that movie, ASP even said so in a recent interview.
-Those last ten minutes dished out pretty much every problem those four characters have EVER had with one another. It was trippy, and I liked it. For the first time in a long time, I'm looking forward to what's to come.
from just page 1 and 2 of TWoP forum but I gotta let it go, least for now.
wow this evening's television head-spinning. friends: maybe because I missed the beginning_ what? what's going on? alternate universe? or just earlier... Monica is overweight and she and Chandler sleep together in order to end her virginity (so- it's not the first time later in the hotel in London?); Joey lives in a fancy apt!? and Rachel is there drunk and amazed that she "is peeing at Joey Tribiani's" as is he is famous? and they kiss but then she is sick and (cut/I was switching channels) she walks in on her husband (?but I thought the pilot episode was her showing up in NY - going to Monica, who is already thin - after running out on her wedding) cheating; Ross realizes his wife is gay after Susan comes over for what he thought was going to be a great three-way (I guess) and they don't include him (I guess /cut); and Ross and Rachel in the coffeehouse commiserate that it's a great day for married people, huh. (in the pilot ross asks Rachel at the end if it would be okay if he asks her out sometime - ie he is already divorced. also note that this episode has the polish that is not in the pilot and the friends look like later years: chandler has some weight in his face and Joey is Joey not the silly stereotpe in the pilot). oh and Phoebe is typeAish (so it is an alternate universe?) and in a hospital and they don't tell her she's fired from her executive job because it 'would kill her' and when she goes in and is told about it and that she has no office she says fine I will work here by this plant (oh I've seen this part before + the day after btw Monica and Chandler where he is not really ok about her boyfriend Dr. Roger who she's seeing tonight).
?? plus cutting to the last scene of gilmore girls: where the dizzying camera work cut cut cut to upset speaker around table and cut cut cut to different moments of the evening where they yell about everything is like no technique I've seen in any other episode -so I feel here too like it's surreal, is this not really happening is it a dream or sth sequence? -and I am not sure I like it but maybe it's right for this scene and it is satisfying I do like the moment where they all seem drunk and laughing about what Emily said to Mrs.Huntzberger about Mitchum still being a playboy you know oh of course you know that's why your weight goes up and down 30lb every month and Lorelai has her feet talked under her on the couch and they seem like a family aw. making me think as I already had earlier in the episode that I do want to own this (but the rest of this season, I think I'd decided I could do without that, so-?). I liked Logan 'I type 90 words a minute. you don't know everything about me... so you really did just date me for my looks'. and they have some big announcement next time (have I seen this preview before?) - what? pregnancy seems too like mother like daughter, elopement seems dumb, so?
and Now. The State of the Union.
he's not funny.
[ 'Deep sigh. No BL tonight. I have to admit, I'd rather hear about the State of the Union from the commentators the next day than actually have to listen to it.' -tvwop. kind of okay with me, would be a mood switch. ~wish it was on a different nite from gilmore.. ']
gilmore: Friday Night's Alright for Fighting
friends:ah- The One that Could have Been, conclusion: the gang pictures their lives with different outcomes: Chandler still falls for Monica...
friends-tv.org episode 6.16: ...Chandler and Monica decide to have a one-night stand, but afterwards Chandler convinces her to dump the doctor and be with him. Rachel, relieved that she didn't cheat on Barry, returns home and find Barry in bed with another woman. She returns to the city to hook back up with Joey, but runs into Ross. Phoebe goes back to singing at the coffee house.
friends-tv.org episode 6.15: News that Barry and Mindy are getting divorced ah gets the gang wondering what their lives would be like if Rachel married Barry; if Ross's wife Carol hadn't realized she was a lesbian; if Monica was still fat; if Joey was still on Days of Our Lifes; if Chandler had quit his data entry job to pursue writing; and if Phoebe was a stock broker (why?, was she ever... ok seems she got a job offer but declined: Rachel: "Why didn't you take the job?"Phoebe: "Because at that time, you see, I thought that everything that rhymed was true. So I thought, y'know, if I worked with stocks, I'd have to live in a box, and only eat lox, and have a pet fox...." ) :
Ross and Rachel, both in unhappy marriages, run into each other on the street after not seeing each other for years. Ross brings Rachel to Central Perk to see Monica; Rachel quickly swoons over Joey, aka Dr. Drake Ramoray. Monica is dating the very boring Dr. Roger. Chandler is unemployed, but takes a job as Joey's assistant, which doesn't work out very well; but he is inspired by the experience and sells his first story to Archie Comics. Phoebe is ruthless and greedy, and has a heart attack after losing 13 million dollars on the stock market. While she's in the hospital, Ross finds out she's fired, but he doesn't dare tell her, fearing it will cause another heart attack. Ross suggests to Carol that they spice up their non-existant sex life. Carol doesn't like any of his ideas... except having a threesome. Rachel decides to have a fling with Joey.
Mister Poll: The Ultimate FRIENDS poll - lists all episodes - 10 seasons.
plus eg each friend's catch phrase...
huh: results are interesting.
Which is your favourite season? They are all the best (54%)
Who is your favourite character? Chandler (33%) huh.
> least favourite character is close to a reverse of favourite but variations interesting, can imagine explanation (monica is least likely be someone's favorite, but she is not the most likely to be someone's least favorite. etc).
favorite: chandler, joey, rachel, phoebe, ross, monica.
least favorite: ross, phoebe, monica, joey, rachel, chandler.
?? plus cutting to the last scene of gilmore girls: where the dizzying camera work cut cut cut to upset speaker around table and cut cut cut to different moments of the evening where they yell about everything is like no technique I've seen in any other episode -so I feel here too like it's surreal, is this not really happening is it a dream or sth sequence? -and I am not sure I like it but maybe it's right for this scene and it is satisfying I do like the moment where they all seem drunk and laughing about what Emily said to Mrs.Huntzberger about Mitchum still being a playboy you know oh of course you know that's why your weight goes up and down 30lb every month and Lorelai has her feet talked under her on the couch and they seem like a family aw. making me think as I already had earlier in the episode that I do want to own this (but the rest of this season, I think I'd decided I could do without that, so-?). I liked Logan 'I type 90 words a minute. you don't know everything about me... so you really did just date me for my looks'. and they have some big announcement next time (have I seen this preview before?) - what? pregnancy seems too like mother like daughter, elopement seems dumb, so?
and Now. The State of the Union.
he's not funny.
[ 'Deep sigh. No BL tonight. I have to admit, I'd rather hear about the State of the Union from the commentators the next day than actually have to listen to it.' -tvwop. kind of okay with me, would be a mood switch. ~wish it was on a different nite from gilmore.. ']
gilmore: Friday Night's Alright for Fighting
friends:ah- The One that Could have Been, conclusion: the gang pictures their lives with different outcomes: Chandler still falls for Monica...
friends-tv.org episode 6.16: ...Chandler and Monica decide to have a one-night stand, but afterwards Chandler convinces her to dump the doctor and be with him. Rachel, relieved that she didn't cheat on Barry, returns home and find Barry in bed with another woman. She returns to the city to hook back up with Joey, but runs into Ross. Phoebe goes back to singing at the coffee house.
friends-tv.org episode 6.15: News that Barry and Mindy are getting divorced ah gets the gang wondering what their lives would be like if Rachel married Barry; if Ross's wife Carol hadn't realized she was a lesbian; if Monica was still fat; if Joey was still on Days of Our Lifes; if Chandler had quit his data entry job to pursue writing; and if Phoebe was a stock broker (why?, was she ever... ok seems she got a job offer but declined: Rachel: "Why didn't you take the job?"Phoebe: "Because at that time, you see, I thought that everything that rhymed was true. So I thought, y'know, if I worked with stocks, I'd have to live in a box, and only eat lox, and have a pet fox...." ) :
Ross and Rachel, both in unhappy marriages, run into each other on the street after not seeing each other for years. Ross brings Rachel to Central Perk to see Monica; Rachel quickly swoons over Joey, aka Dr. Drake Ramoray. Monica is dating the very boring Dr. Roger. Chandler is unemployed, but takes a job as Joey's assistant, which doesn't work out very well; but he is inspired by the experience and sells his first story to Archie Comics. Phoebe is ruthless and greedy, and has a heart attack after losing 13 million dollars on the stock market. While she's in the hospital, Ross finds out she's fired, but he doesn't dare tell her, fearing it will cause another heart attack. Ross suggests to Carol that they spice up their non-existant sex life. Carol doesn't like any of his ideas... except having a threesome. Rachel decides to have a fling with Joey.
Mister Poll: The Ultimate FRIENDS poll - lists all episodes - 10 seasons.
plus eg each friend's catch phrase...
huh: results are interesting.
Which is your favourite season? They are all the best (54%)
Who is your favourite character? Chandler (33%) huh.
> least favourite character is close to a reverse of favourite but variations interesting, can imagine explanation (monica is least likely be someone's favorite, but she is not the most likely to be someone's least favorite. etc).
favorite: chandler, joey, rachel, phoebe, ross, monica.
least favorite: ross, phoebe, monica, joey, rachel, chandler.
Google Alert - Professional Web Alerts - Features Case-sensitive tracking - Search filtering It is currently not possible to performcase-sensitive or punctuation-sensitive searches on Google. ...
pcmag: I am much more 'clued-in' ever since I started using Google Alert some time last year. This free service keeps me up to date on my topics of interest by automatically running daily personalized Google searches and emailing me whenever new results appear. The service is very useful for staying ahead of everything related to a topic on the web.
----with case-sensitive and punctuation-sensitive search filtering -- something not possible on Google itself----
I want search results for: "but,whatever."
pcmag: I am much more 'clued-in' ever since I started using Google Alert some time last year. This free service keeps me up to date on my topics of interest by automatically running daily personalized Google searches and emailing me whenever new results appear. The service is very useful for staying ahead of everything related to a topic on the web.
----with case-sensitive and punctuation-sensitive search filtering -- something not possible on Google itself----
I want search results for: "but,whatever."
Monday, January 30, 2006
birches
what repels might be inherent in the literary-from-both-sides love affair. _?_ maybe not. but if so, it's the not-new argument ~ earth's the right place for love: a girl you like, someone who doesn't go to the same shelves in the bookstore. a guy who says to me, "what are you talking about?" and then simplifies what I said just about beyond recognition. and you take a mild interest in her books. and I say, ok sure, I guess that is what I'm talking about. there's the makings of happiness.
someone to whom you talk differently than you talk to yourself. or (ie) write.
what repels might be inherent in the literary-from-both-sides love affair. _?_ maybe not. but if so, it's the not-new argument ~ earth's the right place for love: a girl you like, someone who doesn't go to the same shelves in the bookstore. a guy who says to me, "what are you talking about?" and then simplifies what I said just about beyond recognition. and you take a mild interest in her books. and I say, ok sure, I guess that is what I'm talking about. there's the makings of happiness.
someone to whom you talk differently than you talk to yourself. or (ie) write.
az- Swoon Nada Gordon & Gary Sullivan to books a ... Granary Books (October 2001)
Response 5: Oct 13 — CLC Plone swooning over swoon - a class? lots respndrs
-poor Gary. Nada tells him he’s not anything like what she looks for. She gives him some spiel about how she only dates dark haired men who are lean.
Jacket 12 - Gary Sullivan - three poems Dear Nada... 1999:
not possible to say I love you without smoking or where’s the hand lotion who was it said we can’t say anything however unexaggerated .. or will our days overexamined be over easywill we repeat everything like a bad poem someonewho wants too badly to write a good poem writes yes sth like that. over-precious. toomuchofyouwordsmyself.
Gary Sullivan Refusal of the Real to item art
>> [Back to readme] issue #1 fall 1999 -sxn for for Daniel Davidson
+ in poetry sxn : Nada Gordon essay *(incl Swoon)
+ Nada Gordon Interviewd by gs
Jacket 23 - Nada Gordon, in conversation with Tom Beckett //and 1 other person
Here I must defer to Edith Piaf: ‘Non... rien de rien/ Non... je ne regrette rien!’ I have *no* second thoughts about having published Swoon or having exposed my most intimate thoughts therein. From a purely literary perspective, and also from a literary-historical perspective, I believe that it is an interesting text worthy of attentiveness, and it *does* read like a novel — even to me. I feel surprisingly objective about it. It stands on its own as a piece in contradiction to current trends in formalism and authorial remove. It is also a model of the positive and tangible possibilities of the absorptive text. Gary and I both craved, well before ever having written each other, a total removal of the cardboard boundary between ‘art’ and ‘life.’ In Swoon we were able to give that to each other. Swoon is absolutely about wishes and, more importantly, wishes coming true. ...
Why keep secrets? I’m not entirely clear on the reasons for the taboo against personal revelation...It strikes me that it is simply not in fashion in iNNovAtive writing... ’Swoon’s innovativeness may be arguable — I don’t know. It does tell a very old story — boy meets girl/ loses girl/ gets girl back/ happily ever after??? — but not, I think, in a way it’s been told before, and definitely not via fiber optic cables running across a continent and under one of the major oceans. It seems to me that it is innovative, though — after all, it’s multiform, it’s transgressive (most notably of personal boundaries), and it enacts some of the wilder aspects of textual theory in a rather uncontrived way. .. Simply put, I love just telling the truth, or at least my feels-true version of experience, because it is disarming
~ too~self (as object) centered? (does not see the story as girl gets boy). as me twd-, ok: 'my girl ego does not like that' (in book)
‘For Gordon, writing each poem differently is “a system of daring”.’ And it’s true, I think that during writing I am constantly asking myself, do I dare to actually say this, can I say this (which, by the way, is a quote from Bernadette Mayer), how about this? and I do, and it gives me a big charge (neurons!). ok right. still: I am this, I am that. You know, ‘there will be eleven stanzas of eleven lines each.’ That’s for WORKSHOPPERS, for HOBBYISTS, for BOYS, for OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVES, but not for me. I’m a bricoleuse to the max.
--form integral: The content of the vessel is the vessel. When there is no content, the vessel has no form.
-- What interests me right now is how I can take the language from somewhere else (this is procedural, but not architectural) (admittedly in a move to process emotions), and my dear readers, who are so invested in ‘reality,’ might assume that whatever is on the page or screen is literally about me or about my situation. Examples of ‘somewhere else’: blogs of strangers, ask-a-psychologist message boards, student papers, films. I’ve recently been Ackeresquely pirating stuff wholesale and putting it up on the web, such as ...
right. so, this touches ~ is like me. careful not to be like what I don't like in her. which is? don't think I am but maybe I touch on it. self-pleased ~ can form be helpful against that? does sadness temper it? and it helps not to talk too much ars poetica. (and that I don't say "here I must defer" I almost certainly wld not say Must).
Kevin Killian Interviewed by gary sullivan in Issue #4 Spring/Summer2001 -last or at least most recent- issue of
Readme -a magazine of poetics ed by gary sullivan. I N T E R V I E W S * R E V I E W S * E S S A Y S
also see The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church ctr for innovative poetry
Response 5: Oct 13 — CLC Plone swooning over swoon - a class? lots respndrs
-poor Gary. Nada tells him he’s not anything like what she looks for. She gives him some spiel about how she only dates dark haired men who are lean.
Jacket 12 - Gary Sullivan - three poems Dear Nada... 1999:
not possible to say I love you without smoking or where’s the hand lotion who was it said we can’t say anything however unexaggerated .. or will our days overexamined be over easywill we repeat everything like a bad poem someonewho wants too badly to write a good poem writes yes sth like that. over-precious. toomuchofyouwordsmyself.
Gary Sullivan Refusal of the Real to item art
>> [Back to readme] issue #1 fall 1999 -sxn for for Daniel Davidson
+ in poetry sxn : Nada Gordon essay *(incl Swoon)
+ Nada Gordon Interviewd by gs
Jacket 23 - Nada Gordon, in conversation with Tom Beckett //and 1 other person
Here I must defer to Edith Piaf: ‘Non... rien de rien/ Non... je ne regrette rien!’ I have *no* second thoughts about having published Swoon or having exposed my most intimate thoughts therein. From a purely literary perspective, and also from a literary-historical perspective, I believe that it is an interesting text worthy of attentiveness, and it *does* read like a novel — even to me. I feel surprisingly objective about it. It stands on its own as a piece in contradiction to current trends in formalism and authorial remove. It is also a model of the positive and tangible possibilities of the absorptive text. Gary and I both craved, well before ever having written each other, a total removal of the cardboard boundary between ‘art’ and ‘life.’ In Swoon we were able to give that to each other. Swoon is absolutely about wishes and, more importantly, wishes coming true. ...
Why keep secrets? I’m not entirely clear on the reasons for the taboo against personal revelation...It strikes me that it is simply not in fashion in iNNovAtive writing... ’Swoon’s innovativeness may be arguable — I don’t know. It does tell a very old story — boy meets girl/ loses girl/ gets girl back/ happily ever after??? — but not, I think, in a way it’s been told before, and definitely not via fiber optic cables running across a continent and under one of the major oceans. It seems to me that it is innovative, though — after all, it’s multiform, it’s transgressive (most notably of personal boundaries), and it enacts some of the wilder aspects of textual theory in a rather uncontrived way. .. Simply put, I love just telling the truth, or at least my feels-true version of experience, because it is disarming
~ too~self (as object) centered? (does not see the story as girl gets boy). as me twd-, ok: 'my girl ego does not like that' (in book)
‘For Gordon, writing each poem differently is “a system of daring”.’ And it’s true, I think that during writing I am constantly asking myself, do I dare to actually say this, can I say this (which, by the way, is a quote from Bernadette Mayer), how about this? and I do, and it gives me a big charge (neurons!). ok right. still: I am this, I am that. You know, ‘there will be eleven stanzas of eleven lines each.’ That’s for WORKSHOPPERS, for HOBBYISTS, for BOYS, for OBSESSIVE-COMPULSIVES, but not for me. I’m a bricoleuse to the max.
--form integral: The content of the vessel is the vessel. When there is no content, the vessel has no form.
-- What interests me right now is how I can take the language from somewhere else (this is procedural, but not architectural) (admittedly in a move to process emotions), and my dear readers, who are so invested in ‘reality,’ might assume that whatever is on the page or screen is literally about me or about my situation. Examples of ‘somewhere else’: blogs of strangers, ask-a-psychologist message boards, student papers, films. I’ve recently been Ackeresquely pirating stuff wholesale and putting it up on the web, such as ...
right. so, this touches ~ is like me. careful not to be like what I don't like in her. which is? don't think I am but maybe I touch on it. self-pleased ~ can form be helpful against that? does sadness temper it? and it helps not to talk too much ars poetica. (and that I don't say "here I must defer" I almost certainly wld not say Must).
Kevin Killian Interviewed by gary sullivan in Issue #4 Spring/Summer2001 -last or at least most recent- issue of
Readme -a magazine of poetics ed by gary sullivan. I N T E R V I E W S * R E V I E W S * E S S A Y S
also see The Poetry Project at St. Mark's Church ctr for innovative poetry
The winners of the Bloggie for 'Weblog of the Year' have been:
2001: usr/bin/girl 2002: Wil Wheaton Dot Net
2003: Little Yellow Different 2004: Boing Boing 2005: Boing Boing
A 'lifetime achievement' award has also been awarded to Jeffrey Zeldman, Evan Williams (blogger), Jason Kottke, Heather Champ and Tom Coates (Technologist).
---from Wikipedia.
quick scan for now I'm voting for delicious as best application and
best au/nz Information Aesthetics
best eu We Make Money Not Art
best gb Little Red Boat i think i may like this well!
best ca Daily Dose of Imagery it's nice; looked at it hoping to vote agnst torontoIST, and others~
best amer Cute Overload easy bc not into postsecret (likely to win?) waiterrant dooce gofugyrslf best topical too.
oh and well best of year too because eh to the others.
but Drawn! for new. on sort of a whim.
pamie for life achvr ditto, agnst others more or less, and I have enjoyed her writing.
I don't like any nominated tagline.
and eh to all the flippant 'best writers' had to reload pg to undo check of mimi bc it's not mimismartipants of chicago.
mimiNY- dooce - (anothermomblg) -gofugyrslf -voiceofgramophone
ALL POP-WIT. NOT ONE MAKES STH BEAUTIFUL WITH WORDS.
best podcast MobyLives others don't appeal
hmmmfor best photos I lean twd prefering the artsy(?) photos of Chromasia
but oh A Walk Through Durham Township, Pennsylvania seems so nice- I'm voting that, for apparent heart (and the photos are lovely).
best group WorldChanging again looked at it hoping to vote agnst others, and impressed seems serious.
huh I don't think I like any of these for best community digg /. fark overheardNy postsecret
best design Subtraction bc so lovely! others don't appeal ~excpt have to credit k, clean design (maybe why I do look there regularly) and I like that color bar. but Subtraction is the best design and I like:
Of course, it’s a short distance from incredulous surprise to shameless self-promotion, so I’m beggin’ you: won’t you please vote for me? Head on over to Bloggies.com and cast your vote to make this the most successful colorless Web site ever.
done.
submitted 2:00 am.
2001: usr/bin/girl 2002: Wil Wheaton Dot Net
2003: Little Yellow Different 2004: Boing Boing 2005: Boing Boing
A 'lifetime achievement' award has also been awarded to Jeffrey Zeldman, Evan Williams (blogger), Jason Kottke, Heather Champ and Tom Coates (Technologist).
---from Wikipedia.
quick scan for now I'm voting for delicious as best application and
best au/nz Information Aesthetics
best eu We Make Money Not Art
best gb Little Red Boat i think i may like this well!
best ca Daily Dose of Imagery it's nice; looked at it hoping to vote agnst torontoIST, and others~
best amer Cute Overload easy bc not into postsecret (likely to win?) waiterrant dooce gofugyrslf best topical too.
oh and well best of year too because eh to the others.
but Drawn! for new. on sort of a whim.
pamie for life achvr ditto, agnst others more or less, and I have enjoyed her writing.
I don't like any nominated tagline.
and eh to all the flippant 'best writers' had to reload pg to undo check of mimi bc it's not mimismartipants of chicago.
mimiNY- dooce - (anothermomblg) -gofugyrslf -voiceofgramophone
ALL POP-WIT. NOT ONE MAKES STH BEAUTIFUL WITH WORDS.
best podcast MobyLives others don't appeal
hmmmfor best photos I lean twd prefering the artsy(?) photos of Chromasia
but oh A Walk Through Durham Township, Pennsylvania seems so nice- I'm voting that, for apparent heart (and the photos are lovely).
best group WorldChanging again looked at it hoping to vote agnst others, and impressed seems serious.
huh I don't think I like any of these for best community digg /. fark overheardNy postsecret
best design Subtraction bc so lovely! others don't appeal ~excpt have to credit k, clean design (maybe why I do look there regularly) and I like that color bar. but Subtraction is the best design and I like:
Of course, it’s a short distance from incredulous surprise to shameless self-promotion, so I’m beggin’ you: won’t you please vote for me? Head on over to Bloggies.com and cast your vote to make this the most successful colorless Web site ever.
done.
submitted 2:00 am.
Sunday, January 29, 2006
...sorry I could not travel both And be one traveler And both that morning equally lay In leaves no step had trodden black. Oh, I kept the first for another day!
nice that the few interpretations I find online all do speak of the common misinterpretation.
the answers site does well, and I did not know:
Frost is said to have written the poem as a sly joke on his friend Edward Thomas oh!, and to have warned audiences, "You have to be careful of that one; it's a tricky poem—very tricky."
also: Ironic as it is, this is also a poem infused with the anticipation of remorse. Its title is not "The Road Less Traveled" but "The Road Not Taken." ah right.
nice that the few interpretations I find online all do speak of the common misinterpretation.
the answers site does well, and I did not know:
Frost is said to have written the poem as a sly joke on his friend Edward Thomas oh!, and to have warned audiences, "You have to be careful of that one; it's a tricky poem—very tricky."
also: Ironic as it is, this is also a poem infused with the anticipation of remorse. Its title is not "The Road Less Traveled" but "The Road Not Taken." ah right.
Izzie: can you keep a secret? ... this is my daughter.
I did not see that coming.
and it was well-done.
some good commentary on the episode [twop].
person after person saying did not see Izzie's revelation coming. and that the acting was good, the young girl playing Cheyenne was excellent. also good criticism of the christina storyline, and good mix of reactions to the closet scene. (I liked seeing the moment break, no kiss.) complaint: is there any white trash stereotype Izzie did not live out? ~ met with: she is now at 27 a surgical intern insteadof working all hours in a diner to support her 11 yr old daughter. ...
I think this site gets pretty thoughtful and responsive comments-
-I was distracted by the disconnect between the mom and daughter's mannerisms, dress, school curriculum, etc., which all resembled a higher class background. Actually, there were a lot of dynamics that were dealt with inadequately here. How about the different racial implications for a black vs. white adoption? It is an ugly truth that Izzie's white blond girl probably got adopted much faster than Cheyenne's daughter will.
->The Izzie/Baby storyline didn't bother me until she described her financial situation. Like, she talked about her mom having to work 12 hour shifts and yet here she is debt-free doctor, living in a comfortable house and she can't help out her mom?
Except that she said, in the episode where Alex posted her modeling photos all over the hospital, that the money she made modeling put her through med school debt-free. And maybe her mom doesn't want help--Izzie was quick to pick up on Cheyenne's mom's touchiness about taking "charity." good observation. (and in early episode there was a big thing about Izzie wanting to know a ~brownie recipe but not calling her mom, and then finally)
->Also on a trivial racial thing...if they are gonna show a black doctor playing music, why must it automatically be a jazz instrument ?
...because the trumpet's a kickass instrument no matter who plays it?
- I see absolutely nothing wrong this. My uncle is a)Black and b) a doctor and he plays the same instrument and I don't think doing so is a "disservice" to his character or makes him one-dimensional (The whole arrogant, "I'm always right" thing however, does). Actually, Dr. Burke reminds me a lot of my uncle, come to think of it. this makes me smile (why?)
->And that stereotype I always have to laugh at, since my Korean-American friend does play the violin.
...And Chinese people will always play the piano. It's true. My sister and I both played the piano, my cousins and friends too. Even now, every good Chinese boys or girls must learn to play something whether they like it or not. Again, it's usually the piano. again smile.
- I'm sorry, didn't mean to imply that there is anything wrong with playing the trumpet, or that Dr Burke is ashamed of his racial heritage and should therefore be playing a "white" instrument. I just love to see a minority race actor being shown to do or be into something on TV, that we don't usually SEE minority races be do or be into on TV. That's all. Hope I didn't cause any offence. aw.
I did not see that coming.
and it was well-done.
some good commentary on the episode [twop].
person after person saying did not see Izzie's revelation coming. and that the acting was good, the young girl playing Cheyenne was excellent. also good criticism of the christina storyline, and good mix of reactions to the closet scene. (I liked seeing the moment break, no kiss.) complaint: is there any white trash stereotype Izzie did not live out? ~ met with: she is now at 27 a surgical intern insteadof working all hours in a diner to support her 11 yr old daughter. ...
I think this site gets pretty thoughtful and responsive comments-
-I was distracted by the disconnect between the mom and daughter's mannerisms, dress, school curriculum, etc., which all resembled a higher class background. Actually, there were a lot of dynamics that were dealt with inadequately here. How about the different racial implications for a black vs. white adoption? It is an ugly truth that Izzie's white blond girl probably got adopted much faster than Cheyenne's daughter will.
->The Izzie/Baby storyline didn't bother me until she described her financial situation. Like, she talked about her mom having to work 12 hour shifts and yet here she is debt-free doctor, living in a comfortable house and she can't help out her mom?
Except that she said, in the episode where Alex posted her modeling photos all over the hospital, that the money she made modeling put her through med school debt-free. And maybe her mom doesn't want help--Izzie was quick to pick up on Cheyenne's mom's touchiness about taking "charity." good observation. (and in early episode there was a big thing about Izzie wanting to know a ~brownie recipe but not calling her mom, and then finally)
->Also on a trivial racial thing...if they are gonna show a black doctor playing music, why must it automatically be a jazz instrument ?
...because the trumpet's a kickass instrument no matter who plays it?
- I see absolutely nothing wrong this. My uncle is a)Black and b) a doctor and he plays the same instrument and I don't think doing so is a "disservice" to his character or makes him one-dimensional (The whole arrogant, "I'm always right" thing however, does). Actually, Dr. Burke reminds me a lot of my uncle, come to think of it. this makes me smile (why?)
->And that stereotype I always have to laugh at, since my Korean-American friend does play the violin.
...And Chinese people will always play the piano. It's true. My sister and I both played the piano, my cousins and friends too. Even now, every good Chinese boys or girls must learn to play something whether they like it or not. Again, it's usually the piano. again smile.
- I'm sorry, didn't mean to imply that there is anything wrong with playing the trumpet, or that Dr Burke is ashamed of his racial heritage and should therefore be playing a "white" instrument. I just love to see a minority race actor being shown to do or be into something on TV, that we don't usually SEE minority races be do or be into on TV. That's all. Hope I didn't cause any offence. aw.
buhagiar said: this topic of truth in online communities is a very interesting one. For the past two years this page (http://www.metafilter.com/newuser.mefi) has greeted anyone who wants to become a Metafilter member. Only once, for a short period, have I seen a different page taking on new members. (?) After two years, I'm not sure I believe it anymore. I'm starting to wonder if perhaps what is really going on is that the owner of the site doesn't actually want any new members, but is afraid to do so for fear of getting adverse publicity. (10/03)
In a slightly different vein - internationalisation. Despite the fact that any site can be viewed from anywhere in the world (China's firewall notwithstanding), some people in online communities really dislike having to deal with posts from countries other than their own, and either ignore them, or actively discourage them.
For example: Have a look at any story on Slashdot that has anything to do with Australia. Likewise kuro5hin and Metafilter. huh. ---
In a slightly different vein - internationalisation. Despite the fact that any site can be viewed from anywhere in the world (China's firewall notwithstanding), some people in online communities really dislike having to deal with posts from countries other than their own, and either ignore them, or actively discourage them.
For example: Have a look at any story on Slashdot that has anything to do with Australia. Likewise kuro5hin and Metafilter. huh. ---
Everything in Moderation: Tagging difficult users with infectious markers... 10/03
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written by? it *is* T.Coates. very good, clear writing here.
You can ban user names easily, but it's far from easy to ban real-life people. All they have to do is sign up for a free e-mail account, and re-register on your site.
ah. this was my thought when reading Dibbell's My Tiny Life.
Many trolling users will maintain several concurrent accounts, which they will use to support the position of their prime identity - making all online battles seem larger and more significant than they actually are and obfuscating the fact that it's just one troublemaker working quite hard to spoil the experience for all the others. These alternative user names are often known as "Sock-puppets" for vaguely obvious reasons. I've seen people using these multiple user names to create identities that are almost identical to other user's self-representations (a duplicated character in the username - or sometimes just a space after their name, depending on the software) and then using that identity to suggest that their alternative usernames, "might have a point - maybe it's best not to wind them up any more."
wow, who (why!) goes to this trouble? what is the motivation!?>>
Solution: a technique we've been using on Barbelith recently to deal with a particularly thorough and unpleasant troll-attack. A user is marked as tagged ...When they next login, a cookie is placed upon the browser that they use. From then on, any other user-name that logs in via that machine will immediately and automatically be tagged in turn. If that latter user then moves to a different computer and logs in, that computer too will have a cookie on it that marks it as being 'used by trolling users' - and any subsequent logins on that computer by different user names will result in those user names also being tagged. conversation in
>>comments => 'conversation with an avowed slashdot troll' -huh!
20721 said: let me just say that, as a slashdot troll, i have a firewall which allows me to dynamically modify my o/s fingerprint, a highly adaptive cookie manager/poisoner that can decode many cookies in realtime...
please allow me to introduce myself.
i wandered onto this article through a link on k5 huh which I just marked, kuro5shin.
abusive users are generally much more capable people than you seem to give them credit for.
you yourself describe your role as 'abusive user'!? what is the satisfaction? ah, read on...bold below.
Tom Coates said: With regards to 20271 - I have no doubt that your troll status is secure and strong! All I would say is that I suspect you're a member of a relatively small and particularly technically skilled elite among trolls and - as such - not really the main subject of my posting on this site. see he is the author.
20721 said: "small and skilled": isn't that a perfect description of the population you're labelling as "trolls"? i believe you have misunderstood my point. my point was, if you embark down a road of engaging the enemy with security based on obscurity on the hopes that the enemy is dumber than you, you will lose- badly. well designed solutions, as a starter, are ones which you yourself cannot think of a way to break. this should be the starting bar.
Tom Coates said: Nope - i don't think I'm talking about a small group of highly skilled individuals when I'm talking about trolls. That there are technically skilled individuals operating as trolls is self-evident but - on the whole - they're massively outweighed by that class of people that "one might want to exclude from an online community" based on whatever particular criteria that an individual community decided were appropraite.
20721 said: i believe that it takes a certain amount of hubris to assume that the people you want to exclude are, by their nature, not as smart as you. you may be right about the people you're trying to exclude; i defer to your judgement, i'm not a member of the communities you are; but where i come from, the best & the brightest are the ones being cast out. they're cast out from communities by the following chain of events: 1) secretive backhanded moderation tactic by the admins is discovered2) someone alerts the community3) the most technically apt in the community are able to reproduce the backhanded moderation tactic and verify its existence4) these people call foul and are labelled "trolls" for doing so, leading to the institution of more of 1) (repeat). this is how i started down the road i'm on. i was one of the many people who discovered that the people at slashdot were secretly moderating the users' comments, and one day they moderated the same comment 800 times - and then they lied about it, and said anyone who told the truth about it was a "troll". hence i became what they called me. see: Wicked (the book). and cf Iago.
what i am trying to impress on you is that when you talk about creating a false code of conduct and secretly screwing users, you are engaging in duplicitious behavior. at this point, the truly objective observer must ask: who's being more abusive - the lying administrator, or the banned user? treating people with respect tends to minimize the creation of a hostile populace. that's all i'm trying to say here. treat people with respect. be honest with them. don't try to solve a social problem with a technical solution - don't try to secretly tag their browsers and "infect" their computers, don't emulate the god damned RIAA (?) for crissakes - be honest, be mature, be a good person. if you need to take disciplinary measures in an online community, make them public, make them based on public policy, and make them effective.
i acknowledge freely that there exists no limit to the vulgarity of what can be entered into anonymous discourse on the internet, every politically incorrect viewpoint on earth from anti-semitism to racism of every stripe, jumping unexpectedly into a spirited discussion about lawn care or function pointers. i know this. i know also that law enforcement on the internet is almost completely unresponsive except when defending the interests of highly profitable corporations, stacking the odds against site administrators even more and making the job one of the most thankless & frustrating imaginable.
but at heart, i am a liberal, and i believe that in order to stake out the moral high ground, you have to be honest and forthright in your affairs, ESPECIALLY when you are dealing with those that anger you the most. in virginia today the men who gunned down 14 people are getting to stand trial, parade around in suits, grill the people they shot at and their families, and basically enjoying a due process that they do not deserve under any moral code imaginable.and i defend their right to that process. i believe in that right because i believe that we cannot ever trust in our own infallability of judgement of others. in short i believe that the people who must be treated with the most public, forthright, and open methods of censure are those who offend us the most.
i believe that secret punishments inevitably lead to abuse and combativeness, that they lead to an arms race against people of equal intelligence and unlimited free time. anyway i could say more and dump off links to historical examples, but i think we've both highlighted our viewpoints clearly (and in my case with excessive verbosity as well).
thanks for the thought-provoking discussion, for your courtesy, for your sympathy, and your taste. aw.
Doug Gibson said:
Wouldn't it be interesting if 20721 was really Tom Coates. I mean, the whole discussion didn't REALLY get interesting until 20721 came into it...
Tom Coates said:
I'm afraid I'm quite dull.
wait there's more! Jamie McCarthy from slashdot! apparently said: "20721" is trolling you all. He has scripts that generate hundreds of accounts, sure -- and we nuke them all after he runs them. I'm not going into detail about how I know this because (1) it's boring and (2) I've no desire to explain to the trolls how we're shutting them down. What I will say is that our system of having users metamoderate other users' moderations is an excellent self-correcting scheme. I skimmed the rest of this discussion and I guess Slashdot is being slammed for not being "open" enough. All I can say is to read the FAQ (for one), and to point out that there is no other system that has worked half as well. When other websites get to a tenth the size of Slashdot, they are drowned in trolls, and attention-seekers in general. Slashdot has many parts of its moderation and submission systems invisible to the general public, this is true. And that is a large part of why it hasn't turned into a navel-gazing clique. On sites that make "openness" into a fetish, half the discussion ends up being about the site itself, and the site gets dominated by a handful of people with too much time on their hands. Maybe the question is not "how can Slashdot refuse to let every user see every inch of its database," but instead: "why do sites that pride themselves on openness always seem vulnerable to attention-starved social engineers?" huh: social engineers-.
Tom Coates said: Jamie - thanks for your input.
nyaya said: "20721" justifies their behavior by saying it is to promote public disclosure of enforcement policies, but I think he/she might still be trolling if they were made public and used that way. 20721, what would Slash have to do to convince you to stop being a troll? Having watchdogs for governing bodies is useful, having anti-social personalities ruining good communities isn’t.
20721 said: a lot of people to answer, i'll try my best to get to you all:
nyaya: you haven't caught the irony yet. a "troll" on slashdot is anyone who disagrees with the administration - it's the name they call us. therefore if the administration & i ceased to disagree, they would stop calling me that name, and i would cease to be one. to answer your question more explicitly, those of us who resist have through the years made only one request: that the slashdot administration be honest about the influence it exerts over the moderation system. specifically, because admins have unlimited moderation points, we'd like to see a visible marker every time an admin moderation is made. otherwise who's to say what agenda they're pushing? this "freedom of information act" is necessary because they have historically mass-moderated certain topics in secret - research the mass-moderation scandal if you are so inclined.
romulus: i have NO PROBLEM with closed web communities. i am a member of a few. my problem specifically is with communities that claim to be one thing (user moderated) but are secretly another.
Mike: "I have difficulty with the concept that human beings have any inherent rights at all". wow. i'm gonna take jefferson over you on that one.
jamie: i realize it must be "frusterating" not to be able to moderate me down on this forum (and then pretend the users did it!), but there's no need to hurl insults. i'm not going into detail about what i've got because (1) it's boring and (2) i've no desire to explain to the admins how we're defeating their system. this guy is great.
honestly i wish you'd stop being so defensive and combative about your work and just let people see editor moderation, but it's been three years now that you've spent secretly raping the moderation system so admittedly you've got your work to protect, and i can respect that. great!
[finally:] i am not tom coates, and tom coates is not dull! in my opinion anyone who proposes trying to secretly poison the browsers of users the admins don't like is a VERY interesting person.
whew.
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written by? it *is* T.Coates. very good, clear writing here.
You can ban user names easily, but it's far from easy to ban real-life people. All they have to do is sign up for a free e-mail account, and re-register on your site.
ah. this was my thought when reading Dibbell's My Tiny Life.
Many trolling users will maintain several concurrent accounts, which they will use to support the position of their prime identity - making all online battles seem larger and more significant than they actually are and obfuscating the fact that it's just one troublemaker working quite hard to spoil the experience for all the others. These alternative user names are often known as "Sock-puppets" for vaguely obvious reasons. I've seen people using these multiple user names to create identities that are almost identical to other user's self-representations (a duplicated character in the username - or sometimes just a space after their name, depending on the software) and then using that identity to suggest that their alternative usernames, "might have a point - maybe it's best not to wind them up any more."
wow, who (why!) goes to this trouble? what is the motivation!?
Solution: a technique we've been using on Barbelith recently to deal with a particularly thorough and unpleasant troll-attack. A user is marked as tagged ...When they next login, a cookie is placed upon the browser that they use. From then on, any other user-name that logs in via that machine will immediately and automatically be tagged in turn. If that latter user then moves to a different computer and logs in, that computer too will have a cookie on it that marks it as being 'used by trolling users' - and any subsequent logins on that computer by different user names will result in those user names also being tagged. conversation in
>>comments => 'conversation with an avowed slashdot troll' -huh!
20721 said: let me just say that, as a slashdot troll, i have a firewall which allows me to dynamically modify my o/s fingerprint, a highly adaptive cookie manager/poisoner that can decode many cookies in realtime...
please allow me to introduce myself.
i wandered onto this article through a link on k5 huh which I just marked, kuro5shin.
abusive users are generally much more capable people than you seem to give them credit for.
you yourself describe your role as 'abusive user'!? what is the satisfaction? ah, read on...bold below.
Tom Coates said: With regards to 20271 - I have no doubt that your troll status is secure and strong! All I would say is that I suspect you're a member of a relatively small and particularly technically skilled elite among trolls and - as such - not really the main subject of my posting on this site. see he is the author.
20721 said: "small and skilled": isn't that a perfect description of the population you're labelling as "trolls"? i believe you have misunderstood my point. my point was, if you embark down a road of engaging the enemy with security based on obscurity on the hopes that the enemy is dumber than you, you will lose- badly. well designed solutions, as a starter, are ones which you yourself cannot think of a way to break. this should be the starting bar.
Tom Coates said: Nope - i don't think I'm talking about a small group of highly skilled individuals when I'm talking about trolls. That there are technically skilled individuals operating as trolls is self-evident but - on the whole - they're massively outweighed by that class of people that "one might want to exclude from an online community" based on whatever particular criteria that an individual community decided were appropraite.
20721 said: i believe that it takes a certain amount of hubris to assume that the people you want to exclude are, by their nature, not as smart as you. you may be right about the people you're trying to exclude; i defer to your judgement, i'm not a member of the communities you are; but where i come from, the best & the brightest are the ones being cast out. they're cast out from communities by the following chain of events: 1) secretive backhanded moderation tactic by the admins is discovered2) someone alerts the community3) the most technically apt in the community are able to reproduce the backhanded moderation tactic and verify its existence4) these people call foul and are labelled "trolls" for doing so, leading to the institution of more of 1) (repeat). this is how i started down the road i'm on. i was one of the many people who discovered that the people at slashdot were secretly moderating the users' comments, and one day they moderated the same comment 800 times - and then they lied about it, and said anyone who told the truth about it was a "troll". hence i became what they called me. see: Wicked (the book). and cf Iago.
what i am trying to impress on you is that when you talk about creating a false code of conduct and secretly screwing users, you are engaging in duplicitious behavior. at this point, the truly objective observer must ask: who's being more abusive - the lying administrator, or the banned user? treating people with respect tends to minimize the creation of a hostile populace. that's all i'm trying to say here. treat people with respect. be honest with them. don't try to solve a social problem with a technical solution - don't try to secretly tag their browsers and "infect" their computers, don't emulate the god damned RIAA (?) for crissakes - be honest, be mature, be a good person. if you need to take disciplinary measures in an online community, make them public, make them based on public policy, and make them effective.
i acknowledge freely that there exists no limit to the vulgarity of what can be entered into anonymous discourse on the internet, every politically incorrect viewpoint on earth from anti-semitism to racism of every stripe, jumping unexpectedly into a spirited discussion about lawn care or function pointers. i know this. i know also that law enforcement on the internet is almost completely unresponsive except when defending the interests of highly profitable corporations, stacking the odds against site administrators even more and making the job one of the most thankless & frustrating imaginable.
but at heart, i am a liberal, and i believe that in order to stake out the moral high ground, you have to be honest and forthright in your affairs, ESPECIALLY when you are dealing with those that anger you the most. in virginia today the men who gunned down 14 people are getting to stand trial, parade around in suits, grill the people they shot at and their families, and basically enjoying a due process that they do not deserve under any moral code imaginable.and i defend their right to that process. i believe in that right because i believe that we cannot ever trust in our own infallability of judgement of others. in short i believe that the people who must be treated with the most public, forthright, and open methods of censure are those who offend us the most.
i believe that secret punishments inevitably lead to abuse and combativeness, that they lead to an arms race against people of equal intelligence and unlimited free time. anyway i could say more and dump off links to historical examples, but i think we've both highlighted our viewpoints clearly (and in my case with excessive verbosity as well).
thanks for the thought-provoking discussion, for your courtesy, for your sympathy, and your taste. aw.
Doug Gibson said:
Wouldn't it be interesting if 20721 was really Tom Coates. I mean, the whole discussion didn't REALLY get interesting until 20721 came into it...
Tom Coates said:
I'm afraid I'm quite dull.
wait there's more! Jamie McCarthy from slashdot! apparently said: "20721" is trolling you all. He has scripts that generate hundreds of accounts, sure -- and we nuke them all after he runs them. I'm not going into detail about how I know this because (1) it's boring and (2) I've no desire to explain to the trolls how we're shutting them down. What I will say is that our system of having users metamoderate other users' moderations is an excellent self-correcting scheme. I skimmed the rest of this discussion and I guess Slashdot is being slammed for not being "open" enough. All I can say is to read the FAQ (for one), and to point out that there is no other system that has worked half as well. When other websites get to a tenth the size of Slashdot, they are drowned in trolls, and attention-seekers in general. Slashdot has many parts of its moderation and submission systems invisible to the general public, this is true. And that is a large part of why it hasn't turned into a navel-gazing clique. On sites that make "openness" into a fetish, half the discussion ends up being about the site itself, and the site gets dominated by a handful of people with too much time on their hands. Maybe the question is not "how can Slashdot refuse to let every user see every inch of its database," but instead: "why do sites that pride themselves on openness always seem vulnerable to attention-starved social engineers?" huh: social engineers-.
Tom Coates said: Jamie - thanks for your input.
nyaya said: "20721" justifies their behavior by saying it is to promote public disclosure of enforcement policies, but I think he/she might still be trolling if they were made public and used that way. 20721, what would Slash have to do to convince you to stop being a troll? Having watchdogs for governing bodies is useful, having anti-social personalities ruining good communities isn’t.
20721 said: a lot of people to answer, i'll try my best to get to you all:
nyaya: you haven't caught the irony yet. a "troll" on slashdot is anyone who disagrees with the administration - it's the name they call us. therefore if the administration & i ceased to disagree, they would stop calling me that name, and i would cease to be one. to answer your question more explicitly, those of us who resist have through the years made only one request: that the slashdot administration be honest about the influence it exerts over the moderation system. specifically, because admins have unlimited moderation points, we'd like to see a visible marker every time an admin moderation is made. otherwise who's to say what agenda they're pushing? this "freedom of information act" is necessary because they have historically mass-moderated certain topics in secret - research the mass-moderation scandal if you are so inclined.
romulus: i have NO PROBLEM with closed web communities. i am a member of a few. my problem specifically is with communities that claim to be one thing (user moderated) but are secretly another.
Mike: "I have difficulty with the concept that human beings have any inherent rights at all". wow. i'm gonna take jefferson over you on that one.
jamie: i realize it must be "frusterating" not to be able to moderate me down on this forum (and then pretend the users did it!), but there's no need to hurl insults. i'm not going into detail about what i've got because (1) it's boring and (2) i've no desire to explain to the admins how we're defeating their system. this guy is great.
honestly i wish you'd stop being so defensive and combative about your work and just let people see editor moderation, but it's been three years now that you've spent secretly raping the moderation system so admittedly you've got your work to protect, and i can respect that. great!
[finally:] i am not tom coates, and tom coates is not dull! in my opinion anyone who proposes trying to secretly poison the browsers of users the admins don't like is a VERY interesting person.
whew.
"sweet baru." echo? : Sweet Lorraine. (patty griffin song first heard in annapolis, on radio (~npr), iris's house, my days ~ mc)
and. "bye baby." even that, I'm echoing. the movie, When A Man Loves a Woman, toward end, father is taking a transfer (he's a pilot) and is at playground saying goodbye to his daughters. to the little one he says bye,baby and she says back: bye baby.
and. "bye baby." even that, I'm echoing. the movie, When A Man Loves a Woman, toward end, father is taking a transfer (he's a pilot) and is at playground saying goodbye to his daughters. to the little one he says bye,baby and she says back: bye baby.
Friday, January 27, 2006
good Daily Show guest tonite: Bernard-Henri Levy.
new book Jan06 American Vertigo subtitl: Traveling America in the Footsteps of Tocqueville eh.
Jon Stewart - you're like a rock star in France, a philosophy rock star.
BHL: nah, I'm just a (?writer). JS: right, and Bono (just mentioned) is just a minstrel.
....BHL says he did not get a joke. JS-Can I tell you something? HBL: you didn't get it either? hee. BHL says people told him there is no one, no comic, like Jon Stewart. but he met *one* -- George W. Bush. heeee. yes ever since Mario's talks with gw, I keep finding gw so funny. and is he funny? (in a laughing-with-us way ~ or only in a we're-laughing-at-him way?)
BHL says he want to big churchs, the labs for the far right. JS says now that seems like a cliche: the way I see America there's like 70-80% reasonable people, if sat down together could come to agreement - 80% of the country. The other 20% run it. ...heehee.
Bernard-Henri Levi is great! look at his books.
and JS is endearing when he's smiling funny. but: Colbert is the funnier to me, I think ~? I love that conservative (impersonated? exaggerated? self-mocking) humore. bc~? it's so smart.
new book Jan06 American Vertigo subtitl: Traveling America in the Footsteps of Tocqueville eh.
Jon Stewart - you're like a rock star in France, a philosophy rock star.
BHL: nah, I'm just a (?writer). JS: right, and Bono (just mentioned) is just a minstrel.
....BHL says he did not get a joke. JS-Can I tell you something? HBL: you didn't get it either? hee. BHL says people told him there is no one, no comic, like Jon Stewart. but he met *one* -- George W. Bush. heeee. yes ever since Mario's talks with gw, I keep finding gw so funny. and is he funny? (in a laughing-with-us way ~ or only in a we're-laughing-at-him way?)
BHL says he want to big churchs, the labs for the far right. JS says now that seems like a cliche: the way I see America there's like 70-80% reasonable people, if sat down together could come to agreement - 80% of the country. The other 20% run it. ...heehee.
Bernard-Henri Levi is great! look at his books.
and JS is endearing when he's smiling funny. but: Colbert is the funnier to me, I think ~? I love that conservative (impersonated? exaggerated? self-mocking) humore. bc~? it's so smart.
As mainstream houses seem to merge every day and even devoted book-lovers become overwhelmed by choices, several innovative indie publishers are taking a page from magazines to meet their readers halfway. The mavericks at Clear Cut Press split profits 50/50 with authors, and sell all their books by subscription: for $65 you'll receive two new genre-bending titles, as well as six books from their edgy backlist, which includes new work from Charles D'Ambrosio and Robert Glück, as well as Lisa Robertson's much lauded Occasional Work and Seven Walks from the Office for Soft Architecture.On the lit-mag front, the no-nonsense folks at One Story conquer the magazine-guilt phenomenon by sending you a single short story every three weeks. Creative new forms of distribution could be the cure for the common book. (TW)
back to top = Boldtype March 2005 - Issue Seventeen - Creativity
interesting set. EncyofanOrdLife(~eh), Talk to Her (intervws), Darger, Spoon (design)...
to books item ... so, I'm sold. 'feature' above is good. look at book news too.
Boldtype January 2006 - Issue Twenty-Seven
monthly re 5-7 books worth reading. by reviewers who suggest only works that they have read and that they themselves personally recommend. every issue is centered around a theme, a launching point from which to list a selection of books across a variety of genres - from literary fiction to historical non-fiction; from poetry, plays, and short stories to coffee table books on art and architecture. current titles and also great books from years past. (linked / partner of Flavorpill, linked via mmmChicago)
Boldtype - archive see theme for each past issue: creativity, kinship...
About: Re-launched in November 2003, Boldtype was originally founded by Larry Weissman, who created it in 1997 at Random House as one of the web's first literary magazines. Larry is still an Editor-at-Large at the publication. No longer affiliated with Random House, Boldtype is now edited by Toby Warner and Mark Mangan, a founder of Flavorpill Productions.
back to top = Boldtype March 2005 - Issue Seventeen - Creativity
interesting set. EncyofanOrdLife(~eh), Talk to Her (intervws), Darger, Spoon (design)...
to books item ... so, I'm sold. 'feature' above is good. look at book news too.
Boldtype January 2006 - Issue Twenty-Seven
monthly re 5-7 books worth reading. by reviewers who suggest only works that they have read and that they themselves personally recommend. every issue is centered around a theme, a launching point from which to list a selection of books across a variety of genres - from literary fiction to historical non-fiction; from poetry, plays, and short stories to coffee table books on art and architecture. current titles and also great books from years past. (linked / partner of Flavorpill, linked via mmmChicago)
Boldtype - archive see theme for each past issue: creativity, kinship...
About: Re-launched in November 2003, Boldtype was originally founded by Larry Weissman, who created it in 1997 at Random House as one of the web's first literary magazines. Larry is still an Editor-at-Large at the publication. No longer affiliated with Random House, Boldtype is now edited by Toby Warner and Mark Mangan, a founder of Flavorpill Productions.
me3dia.com - me(3dia)
Gapers Block - mine, all about Chicago
mmmChicago, also about Chicago, sponsored by American Express.
More soon, as the Gapers Block Media empire grows. posted by me3dia to MeChat.
mmm chicago.
GapersBlock, Lumpen, chicagobloggers (No East-?)... maybe a communtyfor.
reminds me of No Depression, maybe for me...
and I am thinking dance and movement are important (from looking at Twyla Tharp book The Creative Habit and thinking of Goatisland guy's book 39sths re people gathering in rickety building. community. elevator. - movement. oh: Links Hall.
Gapers Block - mine, all about Chicago
mmmChicago, also about Chicago, sponsored by American Express.
More soon, as the Gapers Block Media empire grows. posted by me3dia to MeChat.
mmm chicago.
GapersBlock, Lumpen, chicagobloggers (No East-?)... maybe a communtyfor.
reminds me of No Depression, maybe for me...
and I am thinking dance and movement are important (from looking at Twyla Tharp book The Creative Habit and thinking of Goatisland guy's book 39sths re people gathering in rickety building. community. elevator. - movement. oh: Links Hall.
Lila says. Look at me. Mysterious skin. Nobody knows.
Off the Map ~?1stwordO re IRS to parents&daughter living isolated in ~NMx.
(Hollywood after k)
Nobody knows. - Rather than a sugary sweet tale with a swell ending, we get a more realistic and much sadder tale of an immature and frighteningly dependent woman saddled with kids who faces a bleak future until she does the unthinkable. If you can take it, the emotional impact is profound.
- Each of the children represent different characteristics that give the family harmony. Akira brings responsibility, Kyoko brings sacrifice, Shigeru brings laughter, and Yuki brings hope. Each character despite their maturity have tokens that expose their inner child. Such as Akira's video games, Kyoko's touch piano, Shigeru's ramen, and Yuki's strawberry chocolates. huh.
Off the Map ~?1stwordO re IRS to parents&daughter living isolated in ~NMx.
(Hollywood after k)
Nobody knows. - Rather than a sugary sweet tale with a swell ending, we get a more realistic and much sadder tale of an immature and frighteningly dependent woman saddled with kids who faces a bleak future until she does the unthinkable. If you can take it, the emotional impact is profound.
- Each of the children represent different characteristics that give the family harmony. Akira brings responsibility, Kyoko brings sacrifice, Shigeru brings laughter, and Yuki brings hope. Each character despite their maturity have tokens that expose their inner child. Such as Akira's video games, Kyoko's touch piano, Shigeru's ramen, and Yuki's strawberry chocolates. huh.
My entire blog style is predicated on no one actually reading it hey exactly me too, but if I was going to reveal it to anyone, this would be the place*. -posted by tommasz
Mecha Blogs I am lazy and yet I love you all and want to read your blogs and look at your websites and gently pass some idle hours enjoying your creativity and the brilliance of your prose. So list them here?→Read more... -posted by: mygothlaundry
oh maybe found one I'll like:
perpetualstateofflux.typepad.com But its pretty depressing - Lola_G :
These days, I feel like I am looking at a stranger. The edges of my face have softened underneath this weight but the expressions only seem to get harder. I like my stripped button down and pink cardigan sweater, it’s simple and classic, but it reminds me of Talbot’s and Laura Ashley. The way my mother would have me dress.
I can't believe that I've come to this place. I struggle between the classic and the trendy. The truth is I can't pull off trendy anymore. You'd think I was 50. That's what this weight has done to me. The clothes are fine but I struggle with the lines and where everything “lays”. I know that isn't the right word.* I don’t like the way my clothes lay on my body. The place where my tucked in “blouse” meets my “slacks” – those words aren’t mine but Grandmother’s. They used to cause me to shudder and now the woman in the mirror, the one in the blouse uses them with the same ease as "pardon me". Pardon. How I used to hate that word.Grandma always spoke of slacks. Now that she is gone, I am left to wonder where she procured the seemingly endless supply of polyester slacks -- navy, with a perfect perma-crease down each leg. I wonder about pants like joe's.
...He is one space after a period where I am two.
... In those rare moments when I emerge from self-loathing, I try my hand a wit. Cause that is what I really love -- that's why I have a ton of respect for many bloggers because they are witty and enviably clever. AND I love it. ... spending my time on my sofa being a crabby, miserable, 30 year old bitty doesn't make for a compelling read.
Mecha Blogs I am lazy and yet I love you all and want to read your blogs and look at your websites and gently pass some idle hours enjoying your creativity and the brilliance of your prose. So list them here?→Read more... -posted by: mygothlaundry
oh maybe found one I'll like:
perpetualstateofflux.typepad.com But its pretty depressing - Lola_G :
These days, I feel like I am looking at a stranger. The edges of my face have softened underneath this weight but the expressions only seem to get harder. I like my stripped button down and pink cardigan sweater, it’s simple and classic, but it reminds me of Talbot’s and Laura Ashley. The way my mother would have me dress.
I can't believe that I've come to this place. I struggle between the classic and the trendy. The truth is I can't pull off trendy anymore. You'd think I was 50. That's what this weight has done to me. The clothes are fine but I struggle with the lines and where everything “lays”. I know that isn't the right word.* I don’t like the way my clothes lay on my body. The place where my tucked in “blouse” meets my “slacks” – those words aren’t mine but Grandmother’s. They used to cause me to shudder and now the woman in the mirror, the one in the blouse uses them with the same ease as "pardon me". Pardon. How I used to hate that word.Grandma always spoke of slacks. Now that she is gone, I am left to wonder where she procured the seemingly endless supply of polyester slacks -- navy, with a perfect perma-crease down each leg. I wonder about pants like joe's.
...He is one space after a period where I am two.
... In those rare moments when I emerge from self-loathing, I try my hand a wit. Cause that is what I really love -- that's why I have a ton of respect for many bloggers because they are witty and enviably clever. AND I love it. ... spending my time on my sofa being a crabby, miserable, 30 year old bitty doesn't make for a compelling read.
Cities is a compilation of four stories by authors who are all masters of their craft; Paul Di Filippo, China Mieville, Michael Moorcock, and Geoff Ryman. Beginning with Paul Di Filippo's `A Year In The Linear City', the book takes off like a bullet from a gun. Di Filippo's envisioned city is hundreds of thousands of blocks long, but bordered on one side by a river and on the other side by railroad tracks. Beyond these boundaries exist The Wrong Side Of The Tracks and The Other Shore, places of myth and superstition.
Four Walls Eight Windows: Book Publishers 4w8w.com
remember: Gary Lutz I Looked Alive Stories
Four Walls Eight Windows: Book Publishers 4w8w.com
remember: Gary Lutz I Looked Alive Stories
Weblogs: A Dynamic, Sustainable Form of Community-Building - Lacey Graves. This is the html version of the file WORDfile! http://lay-c.com/log/DGI_LGraves_2003_3.doc.
... provide human resources (to fuel collaborative endeavors), emotional support, and in general, inspiration—qualities that are not only present but also that are necessary in all sustainable and vibrant communities. For a group of webloggers in Chicago, this is how No East, Escaperail and Gaper’s Block came into being.
The online magazine that is known as No East is a collaborative webzine for Chicago webloggers that is produced, ideally, several times a year. No East was begun to harness the creative potential of a group of people, in this case Chicago webloggers. Fine artists, programmers, creative visionaries, writers, musicians and students all have weblogs and yet, individually, may be unable to produce a multifaceted publication indicative of the city in which they live. These individuals magnify each other’s talents and have collaborated on a project that has surpassed previous expectations. On a really good day, my personal website, lay-c.com, might receive 250 unique visitors; but on the launch day of an issue of No East, seven or eight hundred visitors routinely log on.
{ No East Magazine Chicago IL } NO-EAST IS A WEB-BASED MAGAZINE, PUBLISHED QUARTERLY FROM CHICAGO IL USA. IT ISFREEFORM, OF SORTS, AND ENCOURAGES THOSE TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST WITH WHAT ... www.no-east.com/_issues/02/core.html -
The story of the “Chicagobloggers” began officially in January of 2002 (with the formation of the original Yahoo! Group), though its roots dig deep into the Metafilter archives. Initially, there was a trickle of communicative emails between the owners of weblogs based in the Chicago area. These individuals discovered—and continue to discover—each other in different ways: word of mouth, search engine results, referral statistics and other websites, to name a few. Soon, the network of Chicago weblog-type websites grew from just a handful of sites to dozens warranting a social event. A contingent of about fifteen people met for bowling in January of 2002 and we discovered our numerous similarities and interests and developed friendships. Following the bowling event at a nearby restaurant our conversation drifted almost immediately from amazement at the incredible amount of similarities we shared into taking action.
We talked about possible group endeavors such as an online webzine and/or a neighborhood server we could share. We talked about clients, our jobs, and our vision for the community. We shared our thoughts on the lagging understanding and underestimation of the web and weblogging. We chatted, we laughed, we shook hands, we started a Yahoo! Group, and have since grown from the original twelve to close to 150 members. There are programmers in all languages, designers, students, entrepreneurs, writers, photographers, teachers, activists and artists among our ranks—and our “community” continues to diversify and to grow.
The Need for a New Kind of Community
Blogs have stirred up the interest and creativity of a population starved for interaction, connectivity and action driven by their contemporary interests and talents. They allow people the comfort of solidarity and, when wanted, anonymity, faceless and nameless interaction, and reciprocal feedback from people with similar interests. The medium of weblogging is a powerful example of the kind of integral contact that individuals seek when building a community, whether or not they intend to do so. These nascent communities thrive on new information and are hotbeds of creativity, spawning projects such as No East and Fertile Field. While many are seeking something—whether it is Faith, purpose, or meaning in life—others have found mediums capable of compassion and stimulation: all things needed to grow creative, exciting and vibrant communities.
... provide human resources (to fuel collaborative endeavors), emotional support, and in general, inspiration—qualities that are not only present but also that are necessary in all sustainable and vibrant communities. For a group of webloggers in Chicago, this is how No East, Escaperail and Gaper’s Block came into being.
The online magazine that is known as No East is a collaborative webzine for Chicago webloggers that is produced, ideally, several times a year. No East was begun to harness the creative potential of a group of people, in this case Chicago webloggers. Fine artists, programmers, creative visionaries, writers, musicians and students all have weblogs and yet, individually, may be unable to produce a multifaceted publication indicative of the city in which they live. These individuals magnify each other’s talents and have collaborated on a project that has surpassed previous expectations. On a really good day, my personal website, lay-c.com, might receive 250 unique visitors; but on the launch day of an issue of No East, seven or eight hundred visitors routinely log on.
{ No East Magazine Chicago IL } NO-EAST IS A WEB-BASED MAGAZINE, PUBLISHED QUARTERLY FROM CHICAGO IL USA. IT ISFREEFORM, OF SORTS, AND ENCOURAGES THOSE TO DO WHAT THEY DO BEST WITH WHAT ... www.no-east.com/_issues/02/core.html -
The story of the “Chicagobloggers” began officially in January of 2002 (with the formation of the original Yahoo! Group), though its roots dig deep into the Metafilter archives. Initially, there was a trickle of communicative emails between the owners of weblogs based in the Chicago area. These individuals discovered—and continue to discover—each other in different ways: word of mouth, search engine results, referral statistics and other websites, to name a few. Soon, the network of Chicago weblog-type websites grew from just a handful of sites to dozens warranting a social event. A contingent of about fifteen people met for bowling in January of 2002 and we discovered our numerous similarities and interests and developed friendships. Following the bowling event at a nearby restaurant our conversation drifted almost immediately from amazement at the incredible amount of similarities we shared into taking action.
We talked about possible group endeavors such as an online webzine and/or a neighborhood server we could share. We talked about clients, our jobs, and our vision for the community. We shared our thoughts on the lagging understanding and underestimation of the web and weblogging. We chatted, we laughed, we shook hands, we started a Yahoo! Group, and have since grown from the original twelve to close to 150 members. There are programmers in all languages, designers, students, entrepreneurs, writers, photographers, teachers, activists and artists among our ranks—and our “community” continues to diversify and to grow.
The Need for a New Kind of Community
Blogs have stirred up the interest and creativity of a population starved for interaction, connectivity and action driven by their contemporary interests and talents. They allow people the comfort of solidarity and, when wanted, anonymity, faceless and nameless interaction, and reciprocal feedback from people with similar interests. The medium of weblogging is a powerful example of the kind of integral contact that individuals seek when building a community, whether or not they intend to do so. These nascent communities thrive on new information and are hotbeds of creativity, spawning projects such as No East and Fertile Field. While many are seeking something—whether it is Faith, purpose, or meaning in life—others have found mediums capable of compassion and stimulation: all things needed to grow creative, exciting and vibrant communities.
not finding advice on how to not waste condiment packets...
I'd be willing to say that nearly everyone has at one time or another saved the ketchup packets that fast-food places dish out. What is the shelf life of this stuff? —
Answer: when I got my current newspaper job, I pulled open a drawer of my new desk and discovered: Dozens — maybe even hundreds — of ketchup packets. Moses parted the Red Sea. My predecessor parted with it. hee. - jewishworldrvw-gladuasked
I'd be willing to say that nearly everyone has at one time or another saved the ketchup packets that fast-food places dish out. What is the shelf life of this stuff? —
Answer: when I got my current newspaper job, I pulled open a drawer of my new desk and discovered: Dozens — maybe even hundreds — of ketchup packets. Moses parted the Red Sea. My predecessor parted with it. hee. - jewishworldrvw-gladuasked
huh: STEVE VAN ZANDT blames legend BOB DYLAN for ruining rock music. He insists that Dylan's politically and socially charged music killed the fun rock of previous years. He says, "Yes, I do actually (blame Bob Dylan). And I tell him any chance I can.Look, the truth is that of course I can see the value of the Bob Dylan thing, but we try to stay on balance on the fun part. I want to play music from a time when rock 'n' roll was fun and we danced to it." 06/12/2005
Bob Dylan: With God on Our Side oh wow I thought this must be recent, written re gwb (amd: "chemical dust") but no, squirrel comes on saying its dylan with joan baez performing 1964.
Oh my name it is nothin'My age it means lessThe country I come fromIs called the MidwestI's taught and brought up thereThe laws to abideAnd that land that I live inHas God on its side.Oh the history books tell itThey tell it so wellThe cavalries chargedThe Indians fellThe cavalries chargedThe Indians diedOh the country was youngWith God on its side.Oh the Spanish-AmericanWar had its dayAnd the Civil War tooWas soon laid awayAnd the names of the heroesI's made to memorizeWith guns in their handsAnd God on their side.Oh the First World War, boysIt closed out its fateThe reason for fightingI never got straightBut I learned to accept itAccept it with prideFor you don't count the deadWhen God's on your side.When the Second World WarCame to an endWe forgave the GermansAnd we were friendsThough they murdered six millionIn the ovens they friedThe Germans now tooHave God on their side.I've learned to hate RussiansAll through my whole lifeIf another war startsIt's them we must fightTo hate them and fear themTo run and to hideAnd accept it all bravelyWith God on my side.But now we got weaponsOf the chemical dust If fire them we're forced toThen fire them we mustOne push of the buttonAnd a shot the world wideAnd you never ask questionsWhen God's on your side.In a many dark hourI've been thinkin' about thisThat Jesus ChristWas betrayed by a kissBut I can't think for youYou'll have to decideWhether Judas IscariotHad God on his side.
and sister tellie says squirrel is sick, maybe eat chicken soup, oh but the chickens are all sick too. then she talked about an old ganster james cagney movie.
Oh my name it is nothin'My age it means lessThe country I come fromIs called the MidwestI's taught and brought up thereThe laws to abideAnd that land that I live inHas God on its side.Oh the history books tell itThey tell it so wellThe cavalries chargedThe Indians fellThe cavalries chargedThe Indians diedOh the country was youngWith God on its side.Oh the Spanish-AmericanWar had its dayAnd the Civil War tooWas soon laid awayAnd the names of the heroesI's made to memorizeWith guns in their handsAnd God on their side.Oh the First World War, boysIt closed out its fateThe reason for fightingI never got straightBut I learned to accept itAccept it with prideFor you don't count the deadWhen God's on your side.When the Second World WarCame to an endWe forgave the GermansAnd we were friendsThough they murdered six millionIn the ovens they friedThe Germans now tooHave God on their side.I've learned to hate RussiansAll through my whole lifeIf another war startsIt's them we must fightTo hate them and fear themTo run and to hideAnd accept it all bravelyWith God on my side.But now we got weaponsOf the chemical dust If fire them we're forced toThen fire them we mustOne push of the buttonAnd a shot the world wideAnd you never ask questionsWhen God's on your side.In a many dark hourI've been thinkin' about thisThat Jesus ChristWas betrayed by a kissBut I can't think for youYou'll have to decideWhether Judas IscariotHad God on his side.
and sister tellie says squirrel is sick, maybe eat chicken soup, oh but the chickens are all sick too. then she talked about an old ganster james cagney movie.
I like my del.icio.us tags as reminder of interests
a art books chicago find fxn idiom item linklog main my pixl psy song tele-v web x z
idiom - something to write... or to use in writing/composing. just made it a tag today, why not, does not bother and I've bookmarked like 5 alreadywhich happily the del-search does find because it does search the note field but anyway...idiom is after all an especial aspect of my delight in the www abundance.
item are things to read, basically.
x are things I wanted to mark, but.
z is most general - means ~ leads for exploration.
find is more specifically for a set of leads (intended as leads, and finite, like a list of blogs eg)
a was for my first del.icio.us marks bc there is not (?) a way to view by reverse chronology, and at first I was sort of making a set. so I might want to see that set, plus it has interest as a beginning/origin. lately also used a for things I want to make more likely I will see ~ like an added selective reminder. (to change after if)
fxn is for things I might look up for particular purpose. ~and not otherwise (before I started using x. but so far it is distinct).
art books chicago psy(ch) are pretty much that.
art has several 'visual information' pages.
song is audiofiles *and* anything about music - (nb:I only put all my recent tvz markers on my browser ~ and ones I've read mostly quoted and linked on dlww).
tele-v is also movie and ~pop culture. --1/28 just started a cine tag (cinema) for ~film ~more highculture int, I guess
oh, and linklog is for regulary updated weblogs (that are *about* links; and main is for kottke-boinboin(notmarked though have i?)-metafilter culture. in the last day or so, I have marked a number of metafilter pages as items - change these, I suppose, either to x (or delete) or to main if they have likely recurrent value. ah new plan - today 1/29 community tag for these - where my interest is re as community. + all I've marked re The Well (yay replace tags: item main. this is better. if tagged idiom or community -specific interest to go back to when - then not need item tag). +other communities just looking into (digg, k5, )
my. I know what's mine.
a art books chicago find fxn idiom item linklog main my pixl psy song tele-v web x z
idiom - something to write... or to use in writing/composing. just made it a tag today, why not, does not bother and I've bookmarked like 5 alreadywhich happily the del-search does find because it does search the note field but anyway...idiom is after all an especial aspect of my delight in the www abundance.
item are things to read, basically.
x are things I wanted to mark, but.
z is most general - means ~ leads for exploration.
find is more specifically for a set of leads (intended as leads, and finite, like a list of blogs eg)
a was for my first del.icio.us marks bc there is not (?) a way to view by reverse chronology, and at first I was sort of making a set. so I might want to see that set, plus it has interest as a beginning/origin. lately also used a for things I want to make more likely I will see ~ like an added selective reminder. (to change after if)
fxn is for things I might look up for particular purpose. ~and not otherwise (before I started using x. but so far it is distinct).
art books chicago psy(ch) are pretty much that.
art has several 'visual information' pages.
song is audiofiles *and* anything about music - (nb:I only put all my recent tvz markers on my browser ~ and ones I've read mostly quoted and linked on dlww).
tele-v is also movie and ~pop culture. --1/28 just started a cine tag (cinema) for ~film ~more highculture int, I guess
oh, and linklog is for regulary updated weblogs (that are *about* links; and main is for kottke-boinboin(notmarked though have i?)-metafilter culture. in the last day or so, I have marked a number of metafilter pages as items - change these, I suppose, either to x (or delete) or to main if they have likely recurrent value. ah new plan - today 1/29 community tag for these - where my interest is re as community. + all I've marked re The Well (yay replace tags: item main. this is better. if tagged idiom or community -specific interest to go back to when - then not need item tag). +other communities just looking into (digg, k5, )
my. I know what's mine.
idiom.
no please we're - Google Search
No Bush Please We're Canadian. No Sex Please We're British. No Google Please We're French. (idiom -searchd bc of 1st=salon article)
to idiom ... on 2006-01-27 ...
and continuing to p.2: no sex please (popular) we're enlightened. no hugging please we're from singapore. no interaction please we're british. hee.
no jokes please we're liberal.
no please we're - Google Search
No Bush Please We're Canadian. No Sex Please We're British. No Google Please We're French. (idiom -searchd bc of 1st=salon article)
to idiom ... on 2006-01-27 ...
and continuing to p.2: no sex please (popular) we're enlightened. no hugging please we're from singapore. no interaction please we're british. hee.
no jokes please we're liberal.
James Frey is on Oprah today and Gawker had someone blogging the show while it was being taped earlier today - So James Frey is appearing on Oprah this afternoon, but we’re lucky to have an honest-to-God sneak preview for you (the show is taping live, right now, in Chicago). We’ll keep updating this post as the show progresses.
After commerical, Frey appears. Of Smoking Gun's initial investigation that broke this story, Frey says they “did a good job.” He admits to Oprah that he lied to her about jail. “I made a mistake,” he says. Oprah’s visibly pissed; it’s almost painful.
Oprah asks Frey, “Do you think you made a mistake or lied?”
Frey answers, “Probably both.” Yes, James, PROBABLY.
Publisher Nan Talese who heads an imprint of Random House's Doubleday division shows up, claims she’s had a root canal without novocaine. Considering that was likely in 1957, we don’t know how this helps Frey’s case.
Unreal: Now Frank Rich is here! He notes that this is all “amazing television.” Insightful…
Talese’s phone rings onstage. Live television is awesome.
His editor and publisher should have got his back and said, "Look, he turned this in as a roman a clef and we positioned it as a memoir to move units." -Mick FNS
So what you're saying is, Oprah tore James to pieces...a million little pieces. Try the veal, it's delicious. (I like but ~?) -dg
- - In Reply to: Try the veal posted by JHS on April 28, 2005 : What is the source and meaning of the cuurently popular phrase, "Try the veal."? --A cliché from standup comedians in comedy clubs. "I'll be here the whole week. Tip your waitress. Try the veal. You've been a great audience goodnight everybody...." Obligitory signoffs. ah.
Salon: The daytime queen didn't just expose the lies in James Frey's "memoir." She publicly shamed him -- and it was a little creepy.
Through all of this, Oprah has blamed Frey's publisher for mislabeling the book, insisting that it should have been called a novel "based on a true story" instead of a memoir. (Rumors have been floated that Doubleday, or Frey's publisher Nan Talese herself, actually took what had been a novel and rechristened it a memoir, hoping for the kinds of sales only afforded to "true stories." Talese says the book was always presented to her as a memoir.) Today, Oprah brought Talese on to prod her about this. She asked whether there weren't "red flags" in "A Million Little Pieces" that should have led Doubleday to investigate whether Frey's story was true. Citing the gruesome root canal scene, Oprah asked whether that shouldn't have been a signal that Frey was making things up. "The book is so fantastical," Oprah told Talese. Then why did Oprah herself take it at face value and sell it to her acolytes?
At one point Clark suggested that publishers should institute a ratings system for memoirs, to alert readers to how truthful a book is (an A+, or something like it, going to "State of War" author James Risen; a D to "A Child Called It" author Dave Pelzer); sadly, Oprah and the audience seemed to respond positively to this idea.
NyTimes: One former publisher said he believed that the publishing industry would have to change its practices at the behest of its biggest patron, Ms. Winfrey.
"We asked if you, your company, stood behind James's book as a work of nonfiction at the time, and they said absolutely," Ms. Winfrey said. "And they were also asked if their legal department had checked out the book, and they said yes. So how can you say that if you haven't checked it to be sure?"Ms. Talese replied that while the Random House legal department checks nonfiction books to make sure that no one is defamed or libeled, it does not check the truth of the assertions made in a book.Ms. Winfrey replied, "Well, that needs to change." ~ eh.
After commerical, Frey appears. Of Smoking Gun's initial investigation that broke this story, Frey says they “did a good job.” He admits to Oprah that he lied to her about jail. “I made a mistake,” he says. Oprah’s visibly pissed; it’s almost painful.
Oprah asks Frey, “Do you think you made a mistake or lied?”
Frey answers, “Probably both.” Yes, James, PROBABLY.
Publisher Nan Talese who heads an imprint of Random House's Doubleday division shows up, claims she’s had a root canal without novocaine. Considering that was likely in 1957, we don’t know how this helps Frey’s case.
Unreal: Now Frank Rich is here! He notes that this is all “amazing television.” Insightful…
Talese’s phone rings onstage. Live television is awesome.
His editor and publisher should have got his back and said, "Look, he turned this in as a roman a clef and we positioned it as a memoir to move units." -Mick FNS
So what you're saying is, Oprah tore James to pieces...a million little pieces. Try the veal, it's delicious. (I like but ~?) -dg
- - In Reply to: Try the veal posted by JHS on April 28, 2005 : What is the source and meaning of the cuurently popular phrase, "Try the veal."? --A cliché from standup comedians in comedy clubs. "I'll be here the whole week. Tip your waitress. Try the veal. You've been a great audience goodnight everybody...." Obligitory signoffs. ah.
Salon: The daytime queen didn't just expose the lies in James Frey's "memoir." She publicly shamed him -- and it was a little creepy.
Through all of this, Oprah has blamed Frey's publisher for mislabeling the book, insisting that it should have been called a novel "based on a true story" instead of a memoir. (Rumors have been floated that Doubleday, or Frey's publisher Nan Talese herself, actually took what had been a novel and rechristened it a memoir, hoping for the kinds of sales only afforded to "true stories." Talese says the book was always presented to her as a memoir.) Today, Oprah brought Talese on to prod her about this. She asked whether there weren't "red flags" in "A Million Little Pieces" that should have led Doubleday to investigate whether Frey's story was true. Citing the gruesome root canal scene, Oprah asked whether that shouldn't have been a signal that Frey was making things up. "The book is so fantastical," Oprah told Talese. Then why did Oprah herself take it at face value and sell it to her acolytes?
At one point Clark suggested that publishers should institute a ratings system for memoirs, to alert readers to how truthful a book is (an A+, or something like it, going to "State of War" author James Risen; a D to "A Child Called It" author Dave Pelzer); sadly, Oprah and the audience seemed to respond positively to this idea.
NyTimes: One former publisher said he believed that the publishing industry would have to change its practices at the behest of its biggest patron, Ms. Winfrey.
"We asked if you, your company, stood behind James's book as a work of nonfiction at the time, and they said absolutely," Ms. Winfrey said. "And they were also asked if their legal department had checked out the book, and they said yes. So how can you say that if you haven't checked it to be sure?"Ms. Talese replied that while the Random House legal department checks nonfiction books to make sure that no one is defamed or libeled, it does not check the truth of the assertions made in a book.Ms. Winfrey replied, "Well, that needs to change." ~ eh.
How about we implement this feature: if you suggest a feature/rule and that feature/rule is not universally loved, you're banned? --posted by mullacc at 7:16 PM PST on January 19
But if it is universally loved, you win ONE MILLION DOLLARS!(First mil from mullacc.) posted by soyjoy
Adios, mullacc. posted by Gyan cute.
But if it is universally loved, you win ONE MILLION DOLLARS!(First mil from mullacc.) posted by soyjoy
Adios, mullacc. posted by Gyan cute.
Thursday, January 26, 2006
Cheshire Cat: A smiling cat who can disappears and reappears at will. The Cheshire Cat is the ironic middle between adulthood and childhood. NovelGuide: Alice in Wonderland: Character Profiles
my source, of course - The Age of Grief
the good-humored, matter-of-fact heart of the marriage where he can keep her from knowing of his own sorrow.
my source, of course - The Age of Grief
the good-humored, matter-of-fact heart of the marriage where he can keep her from knowing of his own sorrow.
Red-Line Portraits Of People The Beautiful People Take The Red Line. Interesting B&W portraits of red line riders from 97-98. Be patient with the navigation. 11.23.05
also from GB ~ found on the web. really does seem worth making this a regular site. nice link title.
also from GB ~ found on the web. really does seem worth making this a regular site. nice link title.
and I saw the news...on wgn ('wb' but not when its local programming, how does that work? is it like a host? 'network' defnv 'station'?)....kept it on bc of teaser for mere minute saved til the end (*the* big story? everyone else watching for this also!?) re Oprah saying she feels duped by Frey and that more importantly he betrayed millions, and she regrets calling in to Larry King show earlier this month in his defence. newscaster 1: she's not cutting him any slack. newscater 2: should anyone? well gosh.
James Frey is on Oprah today and Gawker had someone blogging the show while it was being taped earlier today -
Salon: The daytime queen didn't just expose the lies in James Frey's "memoir." She publicly shamed him -- and it was a little creepy.
and, feeling tuned in, also reported: Walmart opening 7am tomorrow in Evergreen Park just outside Chicago where alderman successfully fought against a store. but, first one *in* city set to open this summer on north side. got lotslotslots of applications. me so in the knowohoh, saw earlier today at Gapers Block ~ In the News : Job Market Picking Up? In what has to be viewed as a frightening sign for the Chicago job market, 24,500 people applied for a job at the new Evergreen Park Wal-Mart. That's 75 applicants per position currently available.-26.01.06
I was at their site bc rg says cmp did get a mention yep: ~ Found on the Web:
Pixel Power
As the Million Dollar Homepage sells off its last 1,000 pixels, other people are getting into the act. Chicago-based FundMyLifestyle.com claims to be aiming for a "really nice car," while ChicagoMillionPixels is going for the local angle. ok, local angle, that's fine.
James Frey is on Oprah today and Gawker had someone blogging the show while it was being taped earlier today -
Salon: The daytime queen didn't just expose the lies in James Frey's "memoir." She publicly shamed him -- and it was a little creepy.
and, feeling tuned in, also reported: Walmart opening 7am tomorrow in Evergreen Park just outside Chicago where alderman successfully fought against a store. but, first one *in* city set to open this summer on north side. got lotslotslots of applications. me so in the knowohoh, saw earlier today at Gapers Block ~ In the News : Job Market Picking Up? In what has to be viewed as a frightening sign for the Chicago job market, 24,500 people applied for a job at the new Evergreen Park Wal-Mart. That's 75 applicants per position currently available.-26.01.06
I was at their site bc rg says cmp did get a mention yep: ~ Found on the Web:
Pixel Power
As the Million Dollar Homepage sells off its last 1,000 pixels, other people are getting into the act. Chicago-based FundMyLifestyle.com claims to be aiming for a "really nice car," while ChicagoMillionPixels is going for the local angle. ok, local angle, that's fine.
aw Beauty and the Geek was cute - episode#203. The beauties teach the geeks the secrets of interior decorating; the geeks test the beauties' technology skills by teaching them to build a computer. the couple that lost were nice - thyson seemed a sweetheart and thai too seemed genuine. tristin the girl who almost lost, well she was cute with thai watching the guys (herringbone-I knew that, I mean I didn't know that, but I knew that) but cld see how she might inspire dislike, she looks a bit like tamra but she doesn't have the apparent sharpness.
and The Office - american version I guess and there's arthur from 6fu, he's great - is good.
and The Office - american version I guess and there's arthur from 6fu, he's great - is good.
nora vincent: Speak for yourself.
colbert: I always do.
C-so you had a prosthetic p----? what size did you go for? I'll tell you, a man who could choose is going to go Venti...
...she's everywhere. (salon article I just read, note below 1/21. man in store today bought it bc heard her on npr.) I like her here from these 2 min on Colbert - she seems funny. worth watching the talk about the book, other reviews. maybe can find the npr interview? preferably transcript.
here, NPR: Authors: Norah Vincent: The Woman Behind 'Self-Made Man'
Jan-25-2006, Talk of the Nation
[Automated preliminary transcripts may contain errors]...I think it didn't say it would be a nice optioned to exercise Mickey thanks very much for Cole Shearer and finally I'm Nora Vincent do you miss Ned not at all I do not I'm so glad to...
looks like you can listen but not read transcript...
also:
village voice > news 99Nov23 > A Real Man by Norah Vincent
Drew Seidman, née Susan
village voice > specials > Letters by
Norah Vincent's reportage in her article "A Real Man" was tabloid-frenzied... Norah Vincent replies: As an androgynous woman and a drag king...
village voice> Letter re [" A Real Man," Nora Vincent, November 23, 1999]
"Nora, don't try to put on the mantle of transsexual oppression, it doesn't fit on a drag king's shoulders. And as far as being an "androgynous woman" goes, I was one myself for a number of years and it is nothing like living day-to-day as a transsexual
to x ... on 2006-01-27
colbert: I always do.
C-so you had a prosthetic p----? what size did you go for? I'll tell you, a man who could choose is going to go Venti...
...she's everywhere. (salon article I just read, note below 1/21. man in store today bought it bc heard her on npr.) I like her here from these 2 min on Colbert - she seems funny. worth watching the talk about the book, other reviews. maybe can find the npr interview? preferably transcript.
here, NPR: Authors: Norah Vincent: The Woman Behind 'Self-Made Man'
Jan-25-2006, Talk of the Nation
[Automated preliminary transcripts may contain errors]...I think it didn't say it would be a nice optioned to exercise Mickey thanks very much for Cole Shearer and finally I'm Nora Vincent do you miss Ned not at all I do not I'm so glad to...
looks like you can listen but not read transcript...
also:
village voice > news 99Nov23 > A Real Man by Norah Vincent
Drew Seidman, née Susan
village voice > specials > Letters by
Norah Vincent's reportage in her article "A Real Man" was tabloid-frenzied... Norah Vincent replies: As an androgynous woman and a drag king...
village voice> Letter re [" A Real Man," Nora Vincent, November 23, 1999]
"Nora, don't try to put on the mantle of transsexual oppression, it doesn't fit on a drag king's shoulders. And as far as being an "androgynous woman" goes, I was one myself for a number of years and it is nothing like living day-to-day as a transsexual
to x ... on 2006-01-27
well played review from Publishers Weekly of What Remains : A Memoir of Fate, Friendship, and Love by Carole Radziwill (Hardcover - Sept05) : Here's a very sad story: a middle-class girl is working as a reporter at ABC, where she meets a handsome man from a famous family. They court, marry and become best friends with the husband's first cousin and his new wife. Abruptly, the reporter's husband is diagnosed with cancer. He dies, but not before the cousin and his wife (and her sister) die, too, in a senseless plane crash. pov:switch! This would be a heartbreaking story even if it weren't about Anthony Radziwill, nephew of Jackie Kennedy Onassis, and about his and Carole's friendship with John and Carolyn Bessette Kennedy. But because its publisher (and, presumably, the author) have decided not to market it as a "Kennedy book" but "a memoir of fate, friendship and love," it begs consideration on its literary merits. So here goes: Radziwill is a serviceable, if sentimental, writer... seen in window of B&N University Bookstore on way to P.O. just now. with "In the News" sign, together with Frey and McCourt and a fourth memoir. Memoirs are in the news, just now.
did I post something before? don't think so... months ago heard something on the radio disconcertingly familiar, realized it was like Marcy Playgroundf (s-- & candy). today again but *this time* did not think of marcy playground but of that last time, so not even sure, is it marcy playground that it sounds like? I remember last time I right away found someone comparing who I hear to marcyplyg, so... it probably was who I heard just now: Jack Johnson: WTF is it with people and Jack Johnson? Everyone likes it, most of my family/friends/co-workers bought it, critics aclaim him... Man, it's just a guy singing bland music with his guitar! His voice sounds so much like Marcy's Playground, i thought they had a new album out.
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