viewing html files...

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-BoldandRestless:
Can anyone recommend a good freeware program for viewing the html
files that have been downloaded? Clicking on them opens a page in my
browser. I thought maybe there was a program that would let me open up a
folder and skim through the pages quickly.

Sandman87

Fanatic

Posted Today, 02:22 AM

Il Cucchiaio's scripts are very useful indeed. Unfortunately I've found my downloads interrupted a couple of times by the occasional forum outages, and starting over for every thread that gets interrupted would be a pain since I'm on dialup.
Here's a workaround that I figured out that lets me resume the download from whatever page I want.

If the last page that loaded successfully was (for example) "99", I go to the line that says:

Quote

for j in range(page_nums): #number of pages of each thread

And change it to:

Quote

for j in range(99, page_nums): #number of pages of each thread

Make sure to include the space after the comma.

Just plug in the number of your particular last page that loaded successfully instead of the "99".

Hope this saves some of you some time

lightning in a bottle

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Posted Today, 06:47 PM

-forumfish: I plan to hang around here until the very end, but just want to say again how much this place will be missed. Take these last few days' posts, for example, and how we're banding together to help each other save bits and pieces of this site. /y./ TWOP really captured lightning in a bottle, and it's unlikely to happen again.

replies - nice! re wh to install [python Mac OS X 64-bit] and [ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0]

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Posted Yesterday, 09:32 PM 

-Hathaway Green:

LiteraTec, thank you for your notes on exactly what you did!     I am on a Mac running 10.7.4 and am going to follow your steps.    I have a question about the first very first step, though. In which format did you download Python 2.7?    I'll be grateful if you or anyone here can advise me about which link to click at www.python.org/download/releases/2.7.6/

I figure I want to click on one of two options below:

 #1 " Mac OS X 64-bit/32-bit x86-64/i386 Installer (2.7.6) for Mac OS X 10.6 and later [2] (sig). [You may need an updated Tcl/Tk install to run IDLE or use Tkinter, see note 2 for instructions.] "

 #2 " Mac OS X 32-bit i386/PPC Installer (2.7.6) for Mac OS X 10.3 and later [2] (sig). "

 Do I need to be concerned by note [2] about a TCL/Tk install? Thanks for any help!

Il Cucchiaio, another thanks to you for doing & sharing this. I'd seen your earlier post a bit up thread that you were going to try writing a script, and I'd thought to PM you but don't think I have PM ability. So I was super glad to see that you posted again after finishing the script.



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-Il Cucchiaio:
hathaway green, the Mac users up-thread who've successfully installed Python can probably advise you better on this than I can, but it looks like you probably want to download the 64-bit version and then download Active Tlc 8.5.15.0 from here. And I'm happy to have shared the scripts. I had actually initially planned to write a script that downloaded the entirety of the TWoP forums, but I quickly realized that it would take up too much time and space to download everything. I finished writing the subforums script a few weeks ago, but I didn't think think there was any interest in it around here, and I kind of forgot about it until I noticed that I had a private message from another poster about it. So anyway, I'm glad that there are a few people who've found it useful.
Edited by Il Cucchiaio, Yesterday, 10:23 PM.

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-LiteraTec:
hathaway green, I downloaded the first one: Mac OS X 64-bit/32-bit x86-64/i386 Installer (2.7.6) for Mac OS X 10.6 and later [2] (sig). Not sure about Tcl/Tk. Mac OS X 10.7 comes with Apple 8.5.9 and according to this site it may work fine as an alternative. Otherwise you'll need ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. FYI, for anyone else running 10.6, it seems the older alternative that I have (Apple 8.5.7, which came with OS X 10.6) is notoriously buggy, which may be why I had some issues with IDLE freezing up. I'm gonna try installing ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0 and see if it helps.
 Edited by LiteraTec, Today, 12:44 AM.

twop dlthread on mac

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Posted Yesterday, 06:26 PM

LiteraTec:

First of all, huge thanks to Il Cucchiaio for those scripts. So wonderful of you to do that. I'm on a Mac running 10.6.8 and it's been working for me. So far I've been able to download several individual threads and one entire subforum. About a dozen more subforums to go and then I can relax a little :-) So here's exactly what I did:

1) Downloaded and installed Python 2.7

Il Cucchiaio instrxn, see copied prvs (below) dlww post:
The scripts are written for Python 2.7.  You can download the Python installer here.
/my qstn asked & answered, re wh to install [python Mac OS X 64-bit] and [ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0],
in short:
I downloaded the first one: Mac OS X 64-bit/32-bit x86-64/i386 Installer (2.7.6) for Mac OS X 10.6 and later [2] (sig).
I had some issues with IDLE freezing up. I'm gonna try installing ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0 and see if it helps.
 
in full:        -- replies - nice!

-Hathaway Green, Posted Yesterday, 09:32 PM : 

LiteraTec, thank you for your notes on exactly what you did!     I am on a Mac running 10.7.4 and am going to follow your steps.    I have a question about the first very first step, though. In which format did you download Python 2.7?    I'll be grateful if you or anyone here can advise me about which link to click at www.python.org/download/releases/2.7.6/

I figure I want to click on one of two options below:
 #1 " Mac OS X 64-bit/32-bit x86-64/i386 Installer (2.7.6) for Mac OS X 10.6 and later [2] (sig). [You may need an updated Tcl/Tk install to run IDLE or use Tkinter, see note 2 for instructions.] "
 #2 " Mac OS X 32-bit i386/PPC Installer (2.7.6) for Mac OS X 10.3 and later [2] (sig). "
 Do I need to be concerned by note [2] about a TCL/Tk install? Thanks for any help!
Il Cucchiaio, another thanks to you for doing & sharing this. I'd seen your earlier post a bit up thread that you were going to try writing a script, and I'd thought to PM you but don't think I have PM ability. So I was super glad to see that you posted again after finishing the script.

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-Il Cucchiaio:
hathaway green, the Mac users up-thread who've successfully installed Python can probably advise you better on this than I can, but it looks like you probably want to download the 64-bit version and then download Active Tlc 8.5.15.0 from here. And I'm happy to have shared the scripts. I had actually initially planned to write a script that downloaded the entirety of the TWoP forums, but I quickly realized that it would take up too much time and space to download everything. I finished writing the subforums script a few weeks ago, but I didn't think think there was any interest in it around here, and I kind of forgot about it until I noticed that I had a private message from another poster about it. So anyway, I'm glad that there are a few people who've found it useful.
Edited by Il Cucchiaio, Yesterday, 10:23 PM. 

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-LiteraTec:
hathaway green, I downloaded the first one: Mac OS X 64-bit/32-bit x86-64/i386 Installer (2.7.6) for Mac OS X 10.6 and later [2] (sig). Not sure about Tcl/Tk. Mac OS X 10.7 comes with Apple 8.5.9 and according to this site it may work fine as an alternative. Otherwise you'll need ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0. FYI, for anyone else running 10.6, it seems the older alternative that I have (Apple 8.5.7, which came with OS X 10.6) is notoriously buggy, which may be why I had some issues with IDLE freezing up. I'm gonna try installing ActiveTcl 8.5.15.0 and see if it helps.
 Edited by LiteraTec, Today, 12:44 AM.

2) Right-clicked the links to the scripts and saved the files (dlThread.py and dlSubForum.py) to my desktop.

3) Double-clicked the subforum script and it automatically opened in IDLE.

4) Changed "address" and "file_name" to the ones I wanted. The only problem I had here was that IDLE kept freezing whenever I tried to do any sort of cut/copy/paste of multiple characters. So I went in and backspaced one letter at a time to erase the original address and file name, and then manually typed out the ones I wanted. Once I did that it worked fine.

-forumfish: As some have posted upthread, I find that it works best (on a Mac, anyway) to manually key in the names, as copy-paste causes crashes.

... I did the same thing with the individual thread script. The only difference is you must change the number of pages in addition to the address and file name - don't forget to do that! I forgot the first time and ended up with over a hundred html files for a six-page thread because the default was something like 150. It just kept downloading the last page over and over, lol.

4) After I changed that stuff, I just went to the top menu bar and clicked Run>Run Module. Got a little dialogue box saying "source must be saved" and clicked OK.

5) Presto! Everything started downloading right to my desktop.

to the desktop?  okay, bcs th is wh saved the script files.  script will save the dl'd threads to that same location = folder (desktop ~is a folder) = 'directory'  (I think)

Il Cucchiaio instrxn, see copied prvs below dlww post:
Save the scripts in the folder where you want to store the content you're downloading. The scripts will download the content to whatever folder they're in. The thread downloading script will create a subfolder for the thread it's downloading, and the subforums script will create a subfolder for each thread in the subforum. So if I were downloading the Game of Thrones General Gabbery subforum, I would create a folder called "Game of Thrones General Gabbery," and save the subforums script in that folder before running it. If you're going to download multiple subforums, make sure to move or copy the script to the right folder before you run it each time.

and note:
-alynch:
Il Cucchiaio, just as an FYI, the subforum script has errored out when I tried it on the Arrested Development and Sopranos forums. They work fine at first, but then stall out on certain thread every time. For Arrested Development it's this thread, and for The Sopranos it's this one. Anecdottaly, I wonder if the script has trouble with long thread titles. It's no big deal if it can't be fixed. I've developed a method for saving them manually*** that isn't especially tortuous.

-Il Cucchiaio:
 Hm. I just tried downloading the Arrested Development forum and didn't have any problem with that thread. But you could be right that the problem is related to the long thread titles. I know that in Windows, the path + filename can't exceed 225 characters, so if you have the files deeply embedded in a directory, then that could be a problem.

 -alynch:
You're right. I just tried it using my desktop as the directory and it worked fine. Thanks.




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-hathaway green Posted Today, 04:38 PM
alynch, what is your method for saving subforums or threads manually? I'd be glad to know, if you don't mind sharing.

-alynch Today, 04:50 PM
hathaway green, I've been using Autopager. It's a Firefox add-on, so you need to use that browser. I only use this method when the Python scripts error out. It basically allows you to load all the pages of a thread onto a single page. Then you just save the Web Page to your computer. It can be tedious for subforums since you have to do each thread individually, but it takes pretty much exactly as much time as the scripts if you give it your full attention. Here are the instructions I got from another poster who pointed to this tool:
Once you download it it brings you to it’s instruction page and there will be a pop up at the top, click normal mode and then go to TWOP and it should ask you (in another popup) to load the rules that exist already for TWOP (or auto load all rules that exist for every site), accept that and it should work fine :) . Go to page 1 of whatever thread you want and then click on the icon for the add-on in your toolbar and it gives you the option to immediately load 3, 5, 10, all pages (and pause or clean all). If it’s not in your toolbar then go to View, Toolbars, Customize, find the icon and drag and drop it to your toolbar. Or you can right click, select auto pager, immediately load, all pages. It will flash a green symbol on the page that says loading until it's done.
Edited by alynch, Today, 04:50 PM.

-forumfish Posted Today, 04:54 PM Finally had time to sit down and play with Il Cucchiaio's scripts.   As some have posted upthread, I find that it works best (on a Mac, anyway) to manually key in the names, as copy-paste causes crashes. So far, my tests have been successful. Many thanks and virtual cookies (the edible kind) to Il Cucchiaio and everyone else who has shared their tips.
hathaway green, I don't know if this is what alynch did, but I've been using the "Re-Pagination" add-on for Firefox, so that I can see up to 100 pages of a thread on a single page (with lots of scrolling, of course). I then hit "save" and choose "Web page, complete" so I end up with an html file plus a folder of supporting files. This works for a thread, not a whole subforum, and threads longer than 100 pages must be saved in sections. It works great but is very time-consuming, which is why I am so excited to have these new scripts!
Edited because alynch posted just before I did. Edited by forumfish, Today, 04:55 PM.



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twop dlthread & dlsubforum :)

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Posted May 25, 2014 @ 8:14 AM

-Il Cucchiaio:

Here is the script for downloading a subforum, and here's the one for downloading a thread.

Just a few caveats:

• I'm by no means an experienced programmer, and I haven't thoroughly tested these scripts, so you may run into some bugs.  But I have successfully used them to download entire threads and subforums to my computer.  
• I've only used them on a PC.  I think they should work if you have a Mac, but I can't guarantee it.
• Downloading particularly large subforums will take a while and will take up a fairly substantial amount of space.  For example, the Game of Thrones General Gabbery subforum has 73 threads and more than 1700 pages.  It took me about 45 minutes to download that entire subforum and it takes up about 400 MB of disk space.
• None of the internal links in the downloaded pages are changed by the scripts, so once the site shuts down, these links won't work. And these scripts don't download the style sheets, images, etc. associated with TWoP, so after the site shuts down, the formatting of the pages you've downloaded will be stripped down to the basic html.  In other words, it won't look as pretty, but all of the posts will still be there for you to read.

Instructions:

1. The scripts are written for Python 2.7.  You can download the Python installer here.
2. Save the scripts in the folder where you want to store the content you're downloading.  The scripts will download the content to whatever folder they're in.  The thread downloading script will create a subfolder for the thread it's downloading, and the subforums script will create a subfolder for each thread in the subforum.  So if I were downloading the Game of Thrones General Gabbery subforum, I would create a folder called "Game of Thrones General Gabbery," and save the subforums script in that folder before running it.  If you're going to download multiple subforums, make sure to move or copy the script to the right folder before you run it each time. 
3. Open IDLE (which came bundled with the Python stuff you installed) and then open the script you want to use in IDLE.   [Note: Double-clicking the script from Windows Explorer will run it, which you won't want to do before you've edited it, so don't try to open it this way]
4. There are only a few lines of code you need to change before you run it.  At the top of the subforum downloading script, where it currently says, 

   address="http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/forum/1193-game-of-thrones-general-gabbery/"

   change the stuff in quotes to the address of the subforum you want to download.  And change

   file_name = "game_of_thrones_general_gabbery"

   to the name of the subforum you want to download.  If you're using the thread downloading script, you also need to set "numPages" to the number of pages in the thread.
5. To run the script, go to Run-->Run Module, or simply hit F5.

That's it.  As I said above, I can't guarantee there aren't bugs, but if you're having trouble getting it working at all, I'd be happy to try to help.  Good luck!

Edited by Il Cucchiaio, Yesterday, 08:16 AM.   



-BoldandRestless: Grazie mille, Il Cucchiaio! Is it possible to run the script and download two subforums at the same time?

-Il Cucchiaio: Yep, BoldandRestless, you should be able to download two (or more) subforums at a time if you open the script in separate instances of IDLE.


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th I admire

Jezebel's Hot 100: The Men We Love, Ranked   / via sudie fbk bcs hamilton #46

good company. only a notch away fr Stephen Colbert #45.   (Jon Stewart is #75.) 
/.......  also incl  fictional eg Felix fr Orphan Black /



choice that makes me respect the list is #4 Ta-Nehisi Coates

yes to putting him that high, as "Coates is the Leonardo da Vinci of thinkpieces. We mean that in the best way possible."








my list:  

Stephen Colbert           .         } these three minds I'd like to have make the decisions (be president!)

Ta-Nehisi Coates         .             }}  writers of consistently excellent sense

James Poniewozik       .





        // + writers of style and bold:
      .            jacob clifton (twopj)
      .            gabe delehaye (videogum)



                 & hickcity who posted on tim goodman's SF chronicle but I don't know who that person is (think fr cmmts did know was a guy?) or if writing anywh online currently

Orphan Black - dreamed of it, *sort of* gotten it, then lost it

Orphan Black - Page 59 - Sci-Fi and Action Adventure Shows - TWoP Forums: at the same time, Sarah does love Helena, in a way that no one who hasn't dreamed of something their entire life and *sort of* gotten it, then lost it, can love.



-Ailiana:

I think Sarah put it pretty clearly--she had been dreaming of a
familly her whole life, a bio familly that would care about her and make
her part of something.  She loves Felix, of course, but there is a part
of her that wanted her "real" family.  And despite all the horrible
things Helena has done, and Sarah's knowledge of that, killing Helena
took that dream away forever.  And she couldn't tell anyone that she
felt like she had lost someone important, because of all the things
Helena did.  No one would understand.  So when Helena came back, and not
just came back but did so in such a dramatic fashion and saved Sarah's
life and just held her and expressed love (even if it's through Helena's
cracked lens, that love means something), and didn't hold a grudge
about the shooting--it gave Sarah back that dream of family.

I think Sarah knows Helena is dangerous, and that she is a knife that
could easily turn in her hand and hurt Sarah or other loved ones--at
the same time, Sarah does love Helena, in a way that no one who hasn't
dreamed of something their entire life and *sort of* gotten it, then
lost it, can love.

Wee-Bey ----- "My word is still my word." "It's sad, man. That shit is sad."

Roland "Wee-Bey" Brice: Don't Fuck With His Fish - The Corner - TWoP Forums:

-Sure he scares me, but how can you not love a man who'll cheefully
confess to multiple murders for the sake of a sandwich? Or who keeps a
tank of mechanical fish in his jail cell? And you do have to give him
some credit for keeping Namond from following in his footsteps.

-Avon: "shit I don't even remember that one. We gonna need a scorecard to keep up with your lethal ass man."

-I love Wee-bey. Even though he's a cold-blooded murderer, the show actually made me feel sorry for him when the CO was trashing his room. Just seeing the plastic marine life scattered about the floor made me so sad. I'm no good at metaphors, but I'm sure there was some kind of
meaning behind that.
I love him for what he did for his son.

-SimplyS: I can't say I love him, but I love every scene he's in. For a character
who should be such a one-note gangster (I haven't seen Season 4 /when talks to Bunny Colvin re Naymond/) he is always unfailingly entertaining. From his shoot-out with Omar to his getting busted in his underwear to his weirdly poignant tank of plastic fish. The actor definitely makes the most out of the little moments he gets. Part of me hopes, at the end of the series, he at least gets a
goldfish tank for his cell. Or at least a beta.

-Although Wee-Bay is a cold-blooded killer, his character always strikes me as rich and complex. I loved his interaction with Bunny.  It was all so level headed..plus he HANDLED Delonda with such
ease, it was a thing of beauty.  // "My word is still my word."

-I love the look on his face in Season 4 when he asks DeLonda "Everything aaight with my fishes?" Very interesting character.

-Wee-Bey struck as a soldier like Slim Charles but not a cold blooded killer like Bird, Snoop and Chris.




// my fvr:  It's sad, man.  That shit is sad.
to Avon, sitting in a prison cell, about D'Angelo hanging himself from the doorknob in the library.   

being strangled on Stringer's orders, but they do not know that.  so Avon, I think, goes on to say D was soft.  and that he Avon tried, did right by him.  and Bey says ~ You did. you did.




"Lesson here Bey: you come at the king you best not miss."

Preston 'Bodie' Broadus

Bodie: *Spits* - The Corner - TWoP Forums:

 [Posted Jan 11, 2008 @ 4:54 AM]
-KeyFive:
Very few people catch this, but rewatch episode 1-12, when Bodie and Poot shoot Wallace. After Poot finishes the job, Bodie turns around and he's wiping away his tears. It's such a brief moment, and it's so dark that you can barely see it, but it's unmistakable.
I didn't catch that the first time. I was pissed at Bodie and Poot, and so sad about Wallace.
Then Bodie grew up before our eyes: he rose the ranks, learned from his mistakes, respected the chain of command, and even grew as a leader to his underlings. In many other professions he would have steadily risen to at least middle managment; in the drug trade, he is gunned down on his corner.
Then the way he was killed: refusing to give up his corner, refusing to let Chris and Snoop walk him to a vacant. There's a moment when Poot is urging Bodie to run away, but Bodie looks at Poot with this sad and knowing expression. With his eyes, Bodie lets Poot know that he will not leave, but that Poot should get out of there. And of course then Bodie is left alone to be shot from behind.
Then I re-watched Season 1, and caught Bodie stealing his tears after shooting Wallace, trying to convince himself that he had to do it, that it was somehow Wallace's fault for "not being a man" enough, trying to keep his hand from shaking, trying to come to grips with what he thought he had to do. ("We either step on or we step the fuck off... that's the game yo. That's the fucking game.")

When I think of Bodie, I think of those two moments: Bodie wiping his tears after killing Wallace (him entering 'the game' for good), and Bodie shooting that ambiguous look to Poot before going down on his corner (him exiting 'the game' for good)

And yeah, he killed Wallace. At the same time, what else did he know but the game? It's sad how much the game didn't care for him, even though he cared so much for the game. I miss Bodie in Season 5.

Avon Barksdale

Avon Barksdale: Just a Gangsta I Suppose... - The Corner - TWoP Forums:
[Posted May 15, 2008 @ 2:34 AM]
-SimplyS: Yeah. Poor Avon. I know there's only two ways guys like him end up in the real world dead or in prison, and he and Stringer got both ends of that, respectively. Still, it's weirdly sad to look back on all they had with their organization and see, in the end, it changed nothing. As big as the Barksdales were, their world moved on as much as anyone else.
To me, Avon has been one of those characters who has improved greatly on re-watch (Frank Sobotka is another). I missed the little kindnesses the first time around. The way he sat with his uncle (father? brother?) in the hospital, who'd been turned into a vegetable by the Game. The money he gave to Cutty's gym without any hesitation, without asking anything in return or putting any strings on it. He was a kinder man than Stringer, at his core. I love the nuances of the Barksdale partnership, and I'm only just realizing how critical Avon's role in it was.
I miss him. I miss them all.

It's the Other Way.

Marlo Stanfield: It's the Other Way - Page 3 - The Corner - TWoP Forums:

 [Posted Apr 11, 2008 @ 7:46 PM]
-Mutante:  I hope the notion that Marlo is a one-dimensional character and that Jamie Hector is not a good actor have finally been put to bed.
Marlo's story is so richly fascinating in many ways.
One way that I haven't seen mentioned is in *how* TPTB put his story together.
There've been gripes, and rightfully so at the time, that we never see Marlo do anything that would suggest that Chris, Snoop, and the rest would follow him so loyally. He does kill Devon, but that's about it. But his last scene, his very last scene, shows the skill he could bring at any time to a fight. You have to kind of retroactively piece together what his rise up was like, fighting over turf, forming an alliance with Chris, etc. In about 99% of TV and movies, Marlo's last scene is the kind of scene that happens first when introducing a villain, or a hero. .. how else to easily show that but by having him kill a bunch of goons in the first reel. What's Marlo's first scene, it's the one where Bubbles & Johnny push their shopping cart into one of Marlo's henchman's cars. I think it's Monk. And Monk is about to shoot Bubbles and Marlo comes out of the building and says something like, "Do it or don't. I got somewhere to be." // well. powerful. casual power. //
 By being so unconventional with how TPTB treated Marlo's story, it's so enriching but it requires the patience to watch it all. You lose the viewers who only catch a few bits of Marlo here and there in the show and conclude that his character is weak, or that it's poorly acted, etc. But it's rewarding who watch it all the way through. This is kind of a wonky analogy, but think of the Villain as a ball of string. Most of the time, you get shown the whole ball at once, marvel at the size and scope of his evilness, then watch as the ball is pulled apart layer by layer, until the villain is nothing but the end of string. Marlo, by contrast, is shown as just the end of the string first, and by the time he is on the corner at the end of the show, you can see the complete ball of string.
And it's also ironic that his scene kicking ass on the corner, which normally would be shown first as a character intro to show how powerful and dangerous Marlo is, is placed at the end and cements what is the weakest we ever see Marlo. He can still be violent, he is capable of that, but he was never about that. He was about the power, and that's gone for good. He can do it or don't, but now he has nowhere to go.

Prop Joe

I'm Proposition Joe. You Fuck With Me, I'll Kill Your Whole Family. - The Corner - TWoP Forums:

-Since his first appearance at the basketball game, I've been fascinated by Prop Joe. He's a low-profile kingpin, he's clever as hell, and he can fix your toaster.







Cheese (Prop Joe's nephew)  - Page 2 - The Corner - TWoP Forums:
 -Anifan19: In The Prince, Machiavelli writes that it's better for a leader to be feared than loved, because (paraphrased) duplicitous people will try to take advantage of a leader who's loved, but will be afraid to do so for a feared leader. But being feared and being loved are both better than being hated, which is the worst because everyone is out to get you and they don't fear you enough to refrain from acting. I think this exact scenario plays out in the case of Prop Joe (loved), Marlo (feared), and Cheese (hated). Everyone loved Joe, but Marlo took advantage of him and took him down. Then, when Marlo was king, a lot of people speculated that he had gone too far and that the Co-Op would unite to take him down. But there wasn't even the slightest suggestion in the show that this would take place. Dealers like Fat Face Rick complained, but no one except Omar dreamed of making a move on Marlo -- he was too feared. So then, in the finale, Cheese tried to take over. Cheese sold out his uncle, a scummy thing to do, but Marlo was the one who made the move and got the reputation. Slim wouldn't have dared to touch Cheese while Cheese was under Marlo's protection. But without Marlo, Cheese was just a petty thug who sold out his own kin and was obnoxious to everyone. His idea of being tough is sticking a gun in Fat Face Rick's (fat) face, something Marlo would never dream of doing to the other dealers. He was so universally hated -- without the reputation to back it up -- that he couldn't have stayed in control for long.
 It's great that the drug trade is the only institution that manages to jettison its incompetent leadership in the finale.




5-4: "Transitions" 2008.01.27 - Page 2 - The Wire General Gabbery - TWoP Forums:

-Jamie Hector is off the hook in this role. Marlo is like a cold-blooded reptile. Slithery sociopath. He really gets off on the killing aspect. I got chills when he lulled Joe into death.

-Remember the Season Two conversation between Sergei and Prop Joe (as part of introducing Nick for a sit-down)? Prop Joe mentions that not only is Cheese a problem in that case with Ziggy's car, he mentions he can't discipline his relatives and be able to get together with the family
over Thanksgiving. And, of course that scene ends with the classic, bonechilling line to Nick when he tries to thank Prop Joe for settiing the Ziggy situation straight: "Fool; if it wasn't for Serge here, both you and your cousin would be cadaverous motherfuckers..."

..p3
-In that scene, Joe also mentions that he has numerous relatives working for him. In season three, Drac [appears as] is another nephew. I don't think that Cheese is promoted over Drac, but I might be wrong; I think the "off-brand" person is somebody else. In any case, it is not a continuity error. I
assumed Drac and Cheese are brothers, since both of their mothers are referred to as Joe's sister.


Proposition Joe: The Art of the Deal | The House Next Door | Slant Magazine:
"I got motherfucking nephews and in-laws fucking all my shit up all the time, and it ain't like I can pop a cap in their ass and not hear about it Thanksgiving time."

Omar's death ..

Indeed: The Omar Little Topic - Page 5 - The Corner - TWoP Forums:

Mar08 -Mr.Candy: Though I hugely enjoyed the character of Omar, I had to admit that he was by far the least likely character to ever really exist. From robbing from the rich and giving to the poor all the way to performing "Spider-Man shit"-Omar was becoming a bit like some sort of caped superhero. And I must admit I was particularly disappointed when Stringer was killed by not just Omar, the odd entity, but Mouzone, the other fairly fucking unlikely character. I'm not saying that there aren't stick up men beyond repute or Fruit of Islam hit men who aren't quirky- I'm just saying that combined it was the equivalent of you or me getting murdered by James Bond and Dick Tracy.
 ..Prior to episode 8 of season 5 I honest to God thought that Chris and Omar were going to have some sort of ultimate battle and, I dunno, kill eachother. But that would've been just right- exactly as Batman or some such would've done it. No, for all his immortality Omar had to die in an anti-climatic way. His death confirmed his place in reality. Maybe if this had happened earlier we would've been ok with it but because it happened at the last hurrah it seemed to some as vindictive.
Also, who else thinks Omar's death was pretty much identical to that Gregory Peck movie "The Gunfighter"? Peck is the best gunfighter in the west but lives in constant fear because people always want to challenge him and take his glorious title. Finally, he is shot in the back, without even getting the chance to draw his gun.

May08 -Ankai: My father recently finished watching the show. When I was visiting a few weeks ago, I asked him how he felt about Omar's death. He was a little confused about the question. When I told him about the media and internet hubbub about him dying at the hands of a kid, he told me that he did not get it. As he saw it, Omar was one guy going around with a gun and nobody just went up and shot him. I suppose that, to him, a twelve-year-old shooting a man in a liquor store is not quite as shocking as one man walking down a dangerous street and absolutely everyone running away from him.

The Wire → The Corner

The Corner - TWoP Forums


Marlo Stanfield: It's the Other Way
You want it to be one way. 
what?   You want it to be one way.
____  - but it's the other way.


Avon Barksdale: Just a Gangsta I Suppose...


Slim Charles: The Game The Same, Just More Fierce


D'Angelo Barksdale: Some Fool Say He Different //in prison library class, talking re Gatsby//


Bodie: *Spits*


I'm Proposition Joe. You Fuck With Me, I'll Kill Your Whole Family.



I'm also int in Wee-Bey.
but not love the forum topic title for him: Roland "Wee-Bey" Brice: Don't Fuck With His Fish.
I think of him saying "It's sad, man.  That shit is sad."   to Avon, in prison s2, re D'Angelo.
also, earlier, season 1, also to Avon ~ /in my mind/ "I'm just sayin, it's like we going *past* careful."
actual? "We going past careful with all this shit man, we bugging out like we paranoid & shit."

/ ^ that's in s1 ep 6 The Pager.

epigr: “ ...a little slow, a little late” - Avon Barksdale

"He scare you, don't he?... he scares me. Yeah. See, if he dead, you know, I could carry it better after what he did, you kind of expect it, waitin’ on it. See the thing is you only got to fuck up once, be a little slow, a little late, just once. And how you ain’t gonna never be slow, never be late, you can’t plan for no shit like this. Yeah it scares me."

.......  

multipages on
Marlo 1 2 3 Stringer Bell 1 2 3
Prop Joe 1 2  Felicia 'Snoop" Pearson 1 2
Omar "indeed" 1 2 3 4 5
/ I hear "day at a time, I suppose."
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twop - what others had to say

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 -spritz:
Twop has been the finest tv forum site that I have encountered. 
Thank you for enhancing the tv viewing experience.

-peggy06:    [Posted Yesterday, 12:31 AM]
Like others, I come here every day hoping wiser heads have prevailed and the forums will continue. It just can't happen that such a rich community resource can be allowed to disappear. Even if/when new forum sites become fully populated, the loss of the TWoP forum posts for past years and old series will still be huge. /y/ Every time I start Netflixing a show, TWoP is my next stop, so I can read what others had to say.

Randy Wagstaff

All comments on The Wire- Bunk Visits Randy - YouTube
-Hands down his story was the most powerful of the whole show. He had the most promise of the 4 of the kids. He was the stoop kid and the one least at risk of getting caught up in the drug world. His life is then just totally screwed up by the people who are supposed to care about him. Herc never realised what he did to Randy and he certainly wouldn't care. Carver never came back for him, Pres never came for him. The system fails him and he becomes an unwanted member of society. I think his st

couldn't save

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-I think the gist of the episode [4-12] was that you can't adopt them & save them.

Bubs couldn't save Sherrod

Carver couldn't save Randy

Prez couldn't save Dukey

Bunny couldn't save Naymond

Cutty couldn't save Michael

// ~ and McNulty - Bodie