az- Don't Look Back - by Karin Fossum, trans. Felicity David:
From Publishers Weekly:
In Fossum's moody and subtle U.S. debut, the fifth in her Inspector Sejer series*, the popular Norwegian mystery writer displays her mastery of psychological suspense. Richly drawn characters reveal much about Norwegian society, though the setting, a picturesque valley town northwest of Oslo, isn't distinctive. A little girl disappears from her middle-class neighborhood, then returns home unharmed. Meanwhile, the search party discovers the nude corpse of a teenager, Annie Holland, and Fossum seamlessly shifts the story to a murder investigation, using several points of view to create red herrings that add to the suspense. Both girls lived in the same claustrophobic community where the residents claim to know one another but, naturally, don't really. With few clues and no witnesses, seasoned Inspector Konrad Sejer and his eager young assistant Jacob Skarre must uncover the hidden relationships and secrets they hope will lead to the killer of the well-liked, talented Annie. When they learn that the victim's behavior changed suddenly eight months earlier after a child she babysat died by accident, the plot shifts course again and drives to a stunning conclusion and ominous final scene.
ooh sounds good. great.
*Intuitive, introspective Sejer is a widower who lives alone with his dog and still grieves for his late wife. a fine character.
looking up Fossum bcs at K's read:
The New Yorker: Books: Body Count -- In a Danish novel, office politics can be murder.
re “The Exception” (Jul07; Doubleday; $26); by Jungersen, Christian
...some of the best recent Nordic writing has been detective fiction, including Karin Fossum’s unsettling mysteries set in Norway’s welfare state.
day or two ago I picked up R Is For Ricochet (Kinsey Millhone Mysteries)-by Sue Grafton
from free shelf. did not engross me, but not bad. looked it up, it's the second-to-most-recent. S is out in paper. T is on way in hardcover this December.
currently curious about mystery/detective genre. I suppose bcs of Veronica Mars. bcs looking to be engrossed in something.
and I like this, on page I opened to of poetry galley from Ahsata Press case sensitive p8:
What is the appeal of a mystery? Someone is looking for something,
actively
I have several of these Ahsahta poetry galleys, we get them regularly, I notice them in the Napoleon room: slim volumes, 8x6ish, usually white cover with b&w illustration on it.
from Boise State University via Small Press Distribution.
az- case sensitive (New Series #14) 0 Kate Greenstreet:
..an unexplained house awaits its occupant on the opposite coast. .. distance through which the driver-writer .. collage of mentors M. Curie, Modersohn-Becker, and L. Niedecker .. lower limit of an ongoing mystery story vernacularized through her car's CD speakers.
this rvw seems aiming to be poetic but seems unmeaningfully incoherent. vernacularized seems to be used to mean put into speech, which is not what it means. unless it is being put into notably plain local speech. and I left out the rest words I d n like.
ah, better: Greenstreet's narrative experiment conjures a character whose mentors, dreams, and reading habits (a biography of Marie Curie, a mystery novel on tape, the letters of Lorine Niedecker) help us know her.
& : The fifth segment, "Diplomacy," becomes both a fragmentary whodunit and a meditation on the poet's house, as if to ask where the self really resides.
8/6/07 found one of Fossum's books at Powell's, it did not appeal, too ambiguous & dark the scene in opening pages. sejer not around til many pages in, looks like.
and over this past weekend I read Trace by Patricia Cornwell, featuring Kay Scarpetta. finished it, but didn't care for it. not bad writing. but no homey appeal
like Grafton's Kinsey Millhone, who tells you about herself at the outset, and presents the case, and then tells you pretty much everything she does until the case is over. including boring phone calls and groceries and whatever. it's all upfront, you just live with her. and her 86+ year old landlord and eat dinner at Rosie's. so I like it. I got from Powells and read C is for Corpse and A is for Alibi.
then I got the Cornwell which was much more crime-horror, with chapters jumping among characters, including the psychobadguy sitting on a lawn chair in his rented room talking to his dead mom. and it was not all upfront, did not follow anyone, I did not get to know anyone. so eh. my dad says the earlier scarpetta novels (first was Postmortem) were more homey and it does look like rvwrs on az many think that the later ones - Trace is #13 - are not as good, bcs less Scarpetta. so if I happen on a free early one I'll look at it but that's all.
also got an old paperback of Raymond Chandler (who I may have only just learned is not Raymond Carver what we talk about when we talk about love) Lady in the Lake. and I tht might be too stylized for me, too hoighty toity when I want straightforward. but seems fun. went right into the case. and I like the talk: a dark-haired lovely. a little blonde kitten in an office where they don't care about kittens. "used to call him Violet McGee on account of he ate violet pastilles. tall man, grey hair, a mouth for kissing babies. last seen wearing a blue suit and brown shoes." etc. K mentioned Chandler - the detective Philip Marlowe. and rg mentioned him too.
Saturday, July 28, 2007
any tv for me to look forward to, coming fall season?
Nip Tuck starts in October.
maybe Damages will hold me.
I'll watch the new season of House.
and maybe of Boston Legal, still in Tuesday 9c spot?
and Friday Night Lights on Friday.
and check Moonlight opposite it, if Dohring still in it. doesn't sound like it's coming together well.
Nip Tuck starts in October.
maybe Damages will hold me.
I'll watch the new season of House.
and maybe of Boston Legal, still in Tuesday 9c spot?
and Friday Night Lights on Friday.
and check Moonlight opposite it, if Dohring still in it. doesn't sound like it's coming together well.
Forget the shows - vicious execs make better story Friday, July 27, 2007
The book has closed on another television critics' press tour. The Death March With Cocktails is over. All kinds of cable channels, PBS and the five broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC and the CW) traipsed through the Beverly Hilton hotel for the better part of three weeks. Here's a small portion of what we learned:
There's animosity in the executive offices. Oh, man, it is on. Kevin Reilly was always an odd fit for NBC. It was clear to anyone who understood corporate politics and the mentality of weasels that after Jeff Zucker essentially drove NBC into the rocks - then got promoted by the GE lightbulb geniuses for his efforts - there was only one guy to take the blame. Yep, Reilly. Despite Reilly having added quality shows to the NBC stable like "The Office," "Heroes" and "Friday Night Lights," Zucker and company opted for Ben Silverman instead. Now, Silverman is a wonderful packager of shows ("The Office" being a prime example), but he has no real hands-on executive skills. We'll see, eventually, whether that's important. The hiring, however, has created a battle among three of the Big Four networks. NBC, Fox, ABC...
NBC had the audacity to try to sell people who are jaded by nature (that would be the critics) that it didn't actually fire Reilly, that really he left when Silverman was hired. That's about as rich as it sounds. Meanwhile, when Silverman met the critics for the first time early in this tour, he played the smiley, "I just got here" card, which infuriated ABC entertainment President Steve McPherson, a good friend of Reilly's. Said McPherson, on Wednesday, of Silverman's coy act: "Be a man."
Reilly has walked an impressive line between spilling the truth about being stabbed in the back at NBC and working for visionless bean counters and saying he'd rather talk about the new possibilities at Fox, where he's now entertainment president, having walked across the street to his new gig after a few days of unemployment (and a fat check from NBC - so maybe being the pawn of dullards ie Zucker? has its own rewards).
The only people not putting their fingers into this mess is CBS, which has always preferred to distance itself from the great unwashed, and the CW, which is in shock over the fact it has some shows that critics are talking about.
Buzz show for fall is -- get ready -- a documentary from PBS Wednesday, July 11, 2007
The Television Critics Association summer press tour is under way, and the halls of the Beverly Hilton -- where critics from around the country and Canada will spend roughly the next three weeks dissecting the new fall season and masses of cable fare -- would normally be filled with chatter about ABC or CBS. But this year, only one or two fall shows are popping up regularly in conversation. Most of the early discussions have been about how disappointing the series are, or about how wrongheaded a particular network seems to be (CBS wants to be edgy; Fox wants to be CBS).
If the network shows haven't created much buzz, the networks themselves certainly have. Fox made official on Monday what Daily Variety was reporting last week -- that ousted NBC Entertainment President Kevin Reilly has been hired in the same capacity there. Hey, it's not every day that you can be bounced, collect a handsome severance package and then walk over to a rival network for a little payback. It might be odd for Reilly to program against a schedule of shows he created. But then again, maybe those shows aren't any good.
In Hollywood, this is a big story for a couple of reasons. First, Fox has managed to unite Reilly with Peter Liguori, a duo that helped put the FX cable channel on the map. Liguori will now step up from Fox entertainment president to entertainment chairman, and Reilly assumes the same title he had at NBC, where he was rudely dumped during the Memorial Day weekend. And it means that Reilly can now come to the press tour and tell us all about it.
A lot of critics believe that Jeff Zucker, former NBC entertainment president and now NBC Universal chief executive, never let the well-respected Reilly put his own stamp on the Peacock. Zucker jumped at the chance to hire Ben Silverman, a brash producer best known for repackaging foreign shows ("The Office," "Ugly Betty") and being an agent -- but not exactly a network-caliber programmer. With Silverman not shy about his own ability -- and willing to say so -- and Reilly now free to bash Zucker, the press tour just got a whole lot more interesting. Shows? What shows?
SFGate: Archive: Tim Goodman
The book has closed on another television critics' press tour. The Death March With Cocktails is over. All kinds of cable channels, PBS and the five broadcast networks (ABC, CBS, Fox, NBC and the CW) traipsed through the Beverly Hilton hotel for the better part of three weeks. Here's a small portion of what we learned:
There's animosity in the executive offices. Oh, man, it is on. Kevin Reilly was always an odd fit for NBC. It was clear to anyone who understood corporate politics and the mentality of weasels that after Jeff Zucker essentially drove NBC into the rocks - then got promoted by the GE lightbulb geniuses for his efforts - there was only one guy to take the blame. Yep, Reilly. Despite Reilly having added quality shows to the NBC stable like "The Office," "Heroes" and "Friday Night Lights," Zucker and company opted for Ben Silverman instead. Now, Silverman is a wonderful packager of shows ("The Office" being a prime example), but he has no real hands-on executive skills. We'll see, eventually, whether that's important. The hiring, however, has created a battle among three of the Big Four networks. NBC, Fox, ABC...
NBC had the audacity to try to sell people who are jaded by nature (that would be the critics) that it didn't actually fire Reilly, that really he left when Silverman was hired. That's about as rich as it sounds. Meanwhile, when Silverman met the critics for the first time early in this tour, he played the smiley, "I just got here" card, which infuriated ABC entertainment President Steve McPherson, a good friend of Reilly's. Said McPherson, on Wednesday, of Silverman's coy act: "Be a man."
Reilly has walked an impressive line between spilling the truth about being stabbed in the back at NBC and working for visionless bean counters and saying he'd rather talk about the new possibilities at Fox, where he's now entertainment president, having walked across the street to his new gig after a few days of unemployment (and a fat check from NBC - so maybe being the pawn of dullards ie Zucker? has its own rewards).
The only people not putting their fingers into this mess is CBS, which has always preferred to distance itself from the great unwashed, and the CW, which is in shock over the fact it has some shows that critics are talking about.
Buzz show for fall is -- get ready -- a documentary from PBS Wednesday, July 11, 2007
The Television Critics Association summer press tour is under way, and the halls of the Beverly Hilton -- where critics from around the country and Canada will spend roughly the next three weeks dissecting the new fall season and masses of cable fare -- would normally be filled with chatter about ABC or CBS. But this year, only one or two fall shows are popping up regularly in conversation. Most of the early discussions have been about how disappointing the series are, or about how wrongheaded a particular network seems to be (CBS wants to be edgy; Fox wants to be CBS).
If the network shows haven't created much buzz, the networks themselves certainly have. Fox made official on Monday what Daily Variety was reporting last week -- that ousted NBC Entertainment President Kevin Reilly has been hired in the same capacity there. Hey, it's not every day that you can be bounced, collect a handsome severance package and then walk over to a rival network for a little payback. It might be odd for Reilly to program against a schedule of shows he created. But then again, maybe those shows aren't any good.
In Hollywood, this is a big story for a couple of reasons. First, Fox has managed to unite Reilly with Peter Liguori, a duo that helped put the FX cable channel on the map. Liguori will now step up from Fox entertainment president to entertainment chairman, and Reilly assumes the same title he had at NBC, where he was rudely dumped during the Memorial Day weekend. And it means that Reilly can now come to the press tour and tell us all about it.
A lot of critics believe that Jeff Zucker, former NBC entertainment president and now NBC Universal chief executive, never let the well-respected Reilly put his own stamp on the Peacock. Zucker jumped at the chance to hire Ben Silverman, a brash producer best known for repackaging foreign shows ("The Office," "Ugly Betty") and being an agent -- but not exactly a network-caliber programmer. With Silverman not shy about his own ability -- and willing to say so -- and Reilly now free to bash Zucker, the press tour just got a whole lot more interesting. Shows? What shows?
SFGate: Archive: Tim Goodman
Monday, July 23, 2007
Roush Dispatch Blog | TVGuide.com: Liguori put his own spin on Fox-vs-NBC comparisons. “Our sights are not set on the No. 4 network. Our sights are set on [remaining] the No. 1 network, and creating a greater distance between us and the No. 2 network.” Ouch. Take that, Peacock.
Tim Goodman. The Bastard Machine : Emmy Snub 2007! Play the online game!
The thing to do is snub the nominations.
The Academy Awards are awful, but not as bad as...
The Tony Awards, which suck, but not as bad as...
The Grammy Awards, which are a joke, but not as bad as...
The Emmy Awards which are the most out of touch with their OWN industry.
There seems to be a George W. Bush brainiac at the helm of just about everything. Bleech.
Posted By: hickcity
hickcity: As someone who double-majored in both TV Nerdity and Rock Snobbery, I gotta disagree with your placement of the Emmys below the Grammys. The Grammys are an atrocity. They haven't been relevant since EVER, and it's a terrible show to actually sit and watch. The Emmys are usually uninspired and staid, but nothing beats the Grammys for sheer lunacy.
Posted By: wickedmachine
John Stewart is a host, right? But is Stephen Colbert playing a character? Can he be nominated for acting awards? If so, he totally should have been nominated. More than totally. All encompassingly.
Posted By: amandapants
Amazing, VERONICA MARS should have been nominated for writing, cinematography, lighting, set design, costimes, and of course several of the stars should have been nominated as well. Actually I don't give a rat's ass about the Emmys, but the cancellation still hurts.
Posted By: sonofabastard
props for the Mary Louise Parker nominee (my secret girl crush), and Denis Leary, too - yay!. [and] How can I hate on a body of voters who nominated "Dick in a Box" from SNL? (in the category, Best Original Music and Lyrics - who knew?)
Posted By: TrixieQ
The thing to do is snub the nominations.
The Academy Awards are awful, but not as bad as...
The Tony Awards, which suck, but not as bad as...
The Grammy Awards, which are a joke, but not as bad as...
The Emmy Awards which are the most out of touch with their OWN industry.
There seems to be a George W. Bush brainiac at the helm of just about everything. Bleech.
Posted By: hickcity
hickcity: As someone who double-majored in both TV Nerdity and Rock Snobbery, I gotta disagree with your placement of the Emmys below the Grammys. The Grammys are an atrocity. They haven't been relevant since EVER, and it's a terrible show to actually sit and watch. The Emmys are usually uninspired and staid, but nothing beats the Grammys for sheer lunacy.
Posted By: wickedmachine
John Stewart is a host, right? But is Stephen Colbert playing a character? Can he be nominated for acting awards? If so, he totally should have been nominated. More than totally. All encompassingly.
Posted By: amandapants
Amazing, VERONICA MARS should have been nominated for writing, cinematography, lighting, set design, costimes, and of course several of the stars should have been nominated as well. Actually I don't give a rat's ass about the Emmys, but the cancellation still hurts.
Posted By: sonofabastard
props for the Mary Louise Parker nominee (my secret girl crush), and Denis Leary, too - yay!. [and] How can I hate on a body of voters who nominated "Dick in a Box" from SNL? (in the category, Best Original Music and Lyrics - who knew?)
Posted By: TrixieQ
Quick iPhone review (kottke.org): When I go back to using my Macbook Pro, I want to fling stuff around the screen like on the iPhone. It's an addictive way to interface with information.
Wasn't it only a year or two ago that everyone was oohing and aahing over Jeff Han's touchscreen demos? And now there's a mass-produced device that does similar stuff that fits it your pocket. We're living in the future, folks...the iPhone is the hovercar we've all been waiting for.
Wasn't it only a year or two ago that everyone was oohing and aahing over Jeff Han's touchscreen demos? And now there's a mass-produced device that does similar stuff that fits it your pocket. We're living in the future, folks...the iPhone is the hovercar we've all been waiting for.
Friday, July 20, 2007
1-18: "Weapons Of Class Destruction" 2005.04.12 » Jump to Post
I am all about that beat between the thank you peck and ohmygod they're going to full-on kiss! yes that beat, his gaze.
this is by Ms Majestyk I looked at her posts (only four) after reading this from depudor:
1-19: "Hot Dogs" 2005.04.19 » Jump to Post
Ms. Majestyk, welcome. Please read the FAQ. You're required to read all the posts before you post yourself.
snotty? ms M's post in 1.19 wasn't obviously without reading prvs pages. and huh she never posted again. well.
I am all about that beat between the thank you peck and ohmygod they're going to full-on kiss! yes that beat, his gaze.
this is by Ms Majestyk I looked at her posts (only four) after reading this from depudor:
1-19: "Hot Dogs" 2005.04.19 » Jump to Post
Ms. Majestyk, welcome. Please read the FAQ. You're required to read all the posts before you post yourself.
snotty? ms M's post in 1.19 wasn't obviously without reading prvs pages. and huh she never posted again. well.
TWOP forum Search Results p15:
Logan and Veronica: "What Are We Doing?" "I Have No Idea." » Jump to Post
I thought the kiss was a bit jarring, but I think my problem is that I went to the Dawson's Creek School of Telegraphed Longing. In most teen shows, and even a lot of adult dramas, the writers go out of their way to establish that two characters are lusting after each other. There are several 'moments' written into the script: stolen glances, staring, blinking, mouths hanging open, hands accidentally grazing each other... Just read pamie's Young Americans recaps for the definitive guide to the acting cues of the young and aroused.
The VM crew didn't really do any of that. The only suggestive look I ever got off Logan was when he watched Veronica walk away from the poolhouse in AEFC, and then perhaps when Trina dragged him away in 'Ruskie Business' -- but he was so drunk then I don't think it counts. And the only slightly suggestive physical contact was when Veronica leads him by the arm into the classroom in K&A and he doesn't resist at all. So really, I have no idea how long Logan's been attracted to Veronica and vice versa. And maybe that's the whole point -- Logan and Veronica didn't realize it either until something spontaneous happened that took them both by surprise. that is very distinctly what I liked so much about it. not wished for, not thought about. just actually happened.
» Jump to Post [p10]
I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to watch the pilot and assume from that that Logan was going to be Veronica's love interest. If this was Rob's plan all along, I think he played it pretty close to the vest.
I'm willing to believe that Rob planned all along to put Veronica and Logan together, and I think so even more today after reading that great essay that Francophile linked to a couple pages back...
[p8] francophile: There's a great analysis here examining Rob Thomas's romantic relationships in body of work. I'm not familiar with most of his work, but this brief survey gives me hope that Veronica/Logan will play out in an interesting and thoughtful way.
cadhla: You drive me crazy, so I love you: Rob Thomas, unreliable narration and the couple.:
His sweet girls -- the ones who smile and mean it, who wish you a nice day without barbs underneath it -- are frequently just as deep as his sneaky ones, but they're the ones who get his golden boys, playing out the teen cliche in the background of the story he's really telling. The action is really in the Benedict and Beatrice of his tale, the pair that circles and snarls and threatens vivisection, because those are the ones whose romance doesn't have to end with the kiss; they don't hook up and merge into one unbroken entity. They keep fighting, keep sniping, keep being marginally insane in the name of nothing more important than being themselves. And that keeps them interesting. Hero and Claudio? Their story ends when they get married. Beatrice and Benedict...even though the play is ending, we know they're just getting started.
None of Rob's romantic leads are slow, either mentally or verbally. He has no problem with characters becoming tongue-tied when faced with the object of their affections, but when they're in a non-romantic situation, the barbs fly fast and furious -- which is, I think, part of the attraction of the snarky/sneaky pairing. Nicole and Brad will just stand there being pretty at one another. Ditto Veronica and Duncan, despite Duncan having substantially more in the way of personality than Brad could ever hope to boast. Nicole and Chase, however, or Trevor and Clare, Veronica and Logan, Keith and Rebecca -- even, in a demonstration of philos rather than eros, Keith and Veronica -- they'll always have something to talk about. Rob likes to make his leads talk before he hooks them up, because he wants them to be aware of the full story, not just the idealized parts. Snarky people reveal more of how broken they are than they ever quite realize, and that makes them ideal fodder for the kind of dialogue he likes to write, and the kind of stories he likes to tell.
He enjoys taking two leads who can exchange barbs at an equal pace...
''Fame'?'
'Mm-hmm.'
'You get cable on Mt. Olympus?'
'Omniscience, baby. Look it up.'"
[ Cupid Quotes: "'You ever watch FAME? You know what I have in common with Bruno, Leroy, and Coco? I'm gonna live forever. " - Trevor, Pilot ]
this is pretty good. (I was put off by it being on livejournal. the look of the page, I dislike it. maybe mainly bcs the pics with comments taking up so much scrollbar at the bttm)
No One Ever 'Used' To Be Friends.
Rob Thomas doesn't seem to believe that anyone ever really lets go of the people in their past, even when they want to. There's a strong undercurrent through his work of old relationships: who we were endures, and the people we knew back then never actually stop being a part of us. ...there are very few people in his world who used to be friends -- or perhaps more accurately, there are very few people in his world who ever managed to stop mattering to the people they used to matter to. There are some exceptions to this but even those are arguable, because the people his narrators and heroes wind up moving on from are always those who have abandoned them completely.
Someone who just met you -- Troy and Veronica, Steve and Dub, Cliff and Kelly -- may seem to understand you, but in Rob's work, in the end, they won't, because they lack the context for the looks and the smiles and the random flares of temper. Those are usually the 'transition' relationships, before moving on to something more lasting.
Looking at Rob's tropes, what I'm saying is this:
He wants to tell a story that will interest us, and more importantly, he wants to tell a story that will interest him, because if he loses it, he's just going to wander away, and he's shown too much dedication to Neptune for that to be viable. That means following patterns he knows can hold him -- the snarky and the sneaky, the unreliable narrator, the hidden heroes and the not-so-obvious villains. Right now, my money is on Jake Kane, simply because Celeste is too easy and he cried at the memorial, which puts him into the 'possible saint' category, and thus makes him viable. My money is also on Veronica and Logan winding up together; there are too many sweet and sour couples in Rob's background to avoid it.
Now, here's the thing: all these tropes and tendencies are written out through the books I've referenced, and displayed, to varying degrees of blatancy, in the shows Rob has made. But it still took some mining and some consideration of the themes to find them all, because a lot of his work is still relatively obscure. Which means?
Which means he has, as yet, no reason to be actively writing against type. Fans aren't shrugging and saying 'of course Logan and Veronica will get together; I mean, so and so and so and so did, and also...' -- the tropes are still relatively obscure, and can thus be considered safe for one more use. He got thwarted on 'Cupid'. He has no reason not to go there again.
Logan can't have killed Lilly Kane, for one very simple reason that you have to watch a lot of television and read a lot of books to fully see:
Rob isn't done with him yet.
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Logan and Veronica: "What Are We Doing?" "I Have No Idea." » Jump to Post
I thought the kiss was a bit jarring, but I think my problem is that I went to the Dawson's Creek School of Telegraphed Longing. In most teen shows, and even a lot of adult dramas, the writers go out of their way to establish that two characters are lusting after each other. There are several 'moments' written into the script: stolen glances, staring, blinking, mouths hanging open, hands accidentally grazing each other... Just read pamie's Young Americans recaps for the definitive guide to the acting cues of the young and aroused.
The VM crew didn't really do any of that. The only suggestive look I ever got off Logan was when he watched Veronica walk away from the poolhouse in AEFC, and then perhaps when Trina dragged him away in 'Ruskie Business' -- but he was so drunk then I don't think it counts. And the only slightly suggestive physical contact was when Veronica leads him by the arm into the classroom in K&A and he doesn't resist at all. So really, I have no idea how long Logan's been attracted to Veronica and vice versa. And maybe that's the whole point -- Logan and Veronica didn't realize it either until something spontaneous happened that took them both by surprise. that is very distinctly what I liked so much about it. not wished for, not thought about. just actually happened.
» Jump to Post [p10]
I certainly wouldn't expect anyone to watch the pilot and assume from that that Logan was going to be Veronica's love interest. If this was Rob's plan all along, I think he played it pretty close to the vest.
I'm willing to believe that Rob planned all along to put Veronica and Logan together, and I think so even more today after reading that great essay that Francophile linked to a couple pages back...
[p8] francophile: There's a great analysis here examining Rob Thomas's romantic relationships in body of work. I'm not familiar with most of his work, but this brief survey gives me hope that Veronica/Logan will play out in an interesting and thoughtful way.
cadhla: You drive me crazy, so I love you: Rob Thomas, unreliable narration and the couple.:
His sweet girls -- the ones who smile and mean it, who wish you a nice day without barbs underneath it -- are frequently just as deep as his sneaky ones, but they're the ones who get his golden boys, playing out the teen cliche in the background of the story he's really telling. The action is really in the Benedict and Beatrice of his tale, the pair that circles and snarls and threatens vivisection, because those are the ones whose romance doesn't have to end with the kiss; they don't hook up and merge into one unbroken entity. They keep fighting, keep sniping, keep being marginally insane in the name of nothing more important than being themselves. And that keeps them interesting. Hero and Claudio? Their story ends when they get married. Beatrice and Benedict...even though the play is ending, we know they're just getting started.
None of Rob's romantic leads are slow, either mentally or verbally. He has no problem with characters becoming tongue-tied when faced with the object of their affections, but when they're in a non-romantic situation, the barbs fly fast and furious -- which is, I think, part of the attraction of the snarky/sneaky pairing. Nicole and Brad will just stand there being pretty at one another. Ditto Veronica and Duncan, despite Duncan having substantially more in the way of personality than Brad could ever hope to boast. Nicole and Chase, however, or Trevor and Clare, Veronica and Logan, Keith and Rebecca -- even, in a demonstration of philos rather than eros, Keith and Veronica -- they'll always have something to talk about. Rob likes to make his leads talk before he hooks them up, because he wants them to be aware of the full story, not just the idealized parts. Snarky people reveal more of how broken they are than they ever quite realize, and that makes them ideal fodder for the kind of dialogue he likes to write, and the kind of stories he likes to tell.
He enjoys taking two leads who can exchange barbs at an equal pace...
''Fame'?'
'Mm-hmm.'
'You get cable on Mt. Olympus?'
'Omniscience, baby. Look it up.'"
[ Cupid Quotes: "'You ever watch FAME? You know what I have in common with Bruno, Leroy, and Coco? I'm gonna live forever. " - Trevor, Pilot ]
this is pretty good. (I was put off by it being on livejournal. the look of the page, I dislike it. maybe mainly bcs the pics with comments taking up so much scrollbar at the bttm)
No One Ever 'Used' To Be Friends.
Rob Thomas doesn't seem to believe that anyone ever really lets go of the people in their past, even when they want to. There's a strong undercurrent through his work of old relationships: who we were endures, and the people we knew back then never actually stop being a part of us. ...there are very few people in his world who used to be friends -- or perhaps more accurately, there are very few people in his world who ever managed to stop mattering to the people they used to matter to. There are some exceptions to this but even those are arguable, because the people his narrators and heroes wind up moving on from are always those who have abandoned them completely.
Someone who just met you -- Troy and Veronica, Steve and Dub, Cliff and Kelly -- may seem to understand you, but in Rob's work, in the end, they won't, because they lack the context for the looks and the smiles and the random flares of temper. Those are usually the 'transition' relationships, before moving on to something more lasting.
Looking at Rob's tropes, what I'm saying is this:
He wants to tell a story that will interest us, and more importantly, he wants to tell a story that will interest him, because if he loses it, he's just going to wander away, and he's shown too much dedication to Neptune for that to be viable. That means following patterns he knows can hold him -- the snarky and the sneaky, the unreliable narrator, the hidden heroes and the not-so-obvious villains. Right now, my money is on Jake Kane, simply because Celeste is too easy and he cried at the memorial, which puts him into the 'possible saint' category, and thus makes him viable. My money is also on Veronica and Logan winding up together; there are too many sweet and sour couples in Rob's background to avoid it.
Now, here's the thing: all these tropes and tendencies are written out through the books I've referenced, and displayed, to varying degrees of blatancy, in the shows Rob has made. But it still took some mining and some consideration of the themes to find them all, because a lot of his work is still relatively obscure. Which means?
Which means he has, as yet, no reason to be actively writing against type. Fans aren't shrugging and saying 'of course Logan and Veronica will get together; I mean, so and so and so and so did, and also...' -- the tropes are still relatively obscure, and can thus be considered safe for one more use. He got thwarted on 'Cupid'. He has no reason not to go there again.
Logan can't have killed Lilly Kane, for one very simple reason that you have to watch a lot of television and read a lot of books to fully see:
Rob isn't done with him yet.
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Search Results jumping for now to p15.
Logan and Veronica: "What Are We Doing?" "I Have No Idea." » Jump to Post see this is funny
--Only thing juicier to watch than hate turned to love is love turned to hate.--
Wow. Somebody went to scary school.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with you. The best love story I ever saw on television was when Angel turned evil. It was like being kicked in the stomach. I had nightmares about it, one of the scariest nightmares I've ever had in my life.
And if after a whole season of learning to love Logan Echolls, if he turns out to be evil, I will personally erect a monument to Rob Thomas entitled "Cojones del Acero."
--I was just about to post that I must be incredibly jaded as a B/A fan because every time someone cites a wrong Logan has committed against Veronica (like letting the air out of her tires) I keep thinking, "That's not so bad, at least he hasn't scrawled 'Was it good for you too?' on the wall in blood.
p8 this thread--Watching Logan stroll by and casually roll a ball over her trunk as she was checking the tire made me sure that Logan was the one letting the air out of her tires.
Oh, yes, and the asstastic "Bummer . . ." with the head shake.
Logan and Veronica: "What Are We Doing?" "I Have No Idea." » Jump to Post see this is funny
--Only thing juicier to watch than hate turned to love is love turned to hate.--
Wow. Somebody went to scary school.
I hate to admit it, but I agree with you. The best love story I ever saw on television was when Angel turned evil. It was like being kicked in the stomach. I had nightmares about it, one of the scariest nightmares I've ever had in my life.
And if after a whole season of learning to love Logan Echolls, if he turns out to be evil, I will personally erect a monument to Rob Thomas entitled "Cojones del Acero."
--I was just about to post that I must be incredibly jaded as a B/A fan because every time someone cites a wrong Logan has committed against Veronica (like letting the air out of her tires) I keep thinking, "That's not so bad, at least he hasn't scrawled 'Was it good for you too?' on the wall in blood.
p8 this thread--Watching Logan stroll by and casually roll a ball over her trunk as she was checking the tire made me sure that Logan was the one letting the air out of her tires.
Oh, yes, and the asstastic "Bummer . . ." with the head shake.
depudor p5
Student Council: The Meet Market » Jump to Post
I took two pop culture classes in college. One of them was supposed to be “Religion in Popular Culture,” but, bizarrely, had no religion in it at all. I learned two things that still make for interesting conversation at parties: that punk music has its origins in reggae, because punk as a counter-cultural movement began with West Indians emigrating to the UK (because they’re British citizens) in the 1960s and being marginalized in a society that already had high unemployment. White teens who want to rebel simply copy the aesthetic of whatever minority community is currently oppressed and therefore anti-authoritarian (which is why white kids in the US love rap). So reggae + rebellious white teens = punk.
Secondly, I learned that supermodels are so emaciated because that’s supposed to decrease their feminine sexuality and make them attractive to women, not men. Men are attracted to breasts and hips and whatnot, so women with these attributes are featured in advertising directed exclusively at men, such as beer commercials. But supermodels exist primarily to sell clothes and perfume; their target audience is women, and following the rule that “sex sells,” supermodels are supposed to be sexually arousing to women. So the fashion industry is founded on latent Lesbianism.
Student Council: The Meet Market » Jump to Post
I was a Religions major in college, so I studied Latin, Greek, and Hebrew. Everyone told me to take modern Hebrew instead of Biblical because it would be more useful in the long run, but what they didn't tell me was that Biblical is much easier than modern, and since I never did make it to Israel to actually "use" the language, I think I got kind of screwed. My Hebrew teacher learned English by listening to American rock music, so she decided that the best way to teach us Hebrew was to listen to the Israeli Top 40. Today I could not have a practical conversation in Hebrew to save my life, but I could sing several Aviv Geffen songs for you and tell you how lonely I am without you and how I long for the day we can go to the sea together.
Student Council: The Meet Market » Jump to Post
What do I do for a living… Well, technically, nothing. I’m a dilettante. My living comes from a trust fund left to me by a generation of hard-working ancestors who made a lot of money and then kindly died before spending it. Ha! I won’t make that same mistake. It’s not much, but it’s enough to cover the basic necessities of life in L.A.: rent, groceries, strappy heels, highlights, Pilates, collagen injections, breast implants, etc. Basically, I want to be a Beverly Hills trophy wife without the nuisance of having to get married. I used to work in management consulting, so I did have a real job at one point, and I miss the financial modeling and Excel enough that my fascination with television has led me into deep quantitative analysis of the ratings that now fills several spreadsheets in my computer (it helps to have friends at networks who send you the data straight from Nielsen’s). So if you ever have a question about the ratings, ask me. I will know the answer, or at the very least pretend that I do. Now I’m an aspiring writer, but I’ve yet to find a genre I enjoy writing in as much as I enjoy writing fan fiction.
huh int to me - reading her posts bcs good VM analysis. notably smart. and some nice turns of phrase, sensibility eg above re cld sing in hebrew how long to go to seas with you. so I suppose am taken aback, or at least find it strange? ~ alien ~ that: strappy heels, highlights, Pilates, collagen injections, breast implants. trust fund and fan fiction. offputting in unabashed about it? yet likeably clever:
My parents met at Mesa Verde National Park, where my dad was on a dig for his doctoral research and my mom was husband-hunting, I mean, volunteering.
I do get into reading back through someone's blog. or here, posts. their tone. a sort of personality. I say this to note that it doesn't feel 'stalkerish' as they say. bcs done in a 'huh' mode rather than a prurient one?
Student Council: The Meet Market » Jump to Post
I took two pop culture classes in college. One of them was supposed to be “Religion in Popular Culture,” but, bizarrely, had no religion in it at all. I learned two things that still make for interesting conversation at parties: that punk music has its origins in reggae, because punk as a counter-cultural movement began with West Indians emigrating to the UK (because they’re British citizens) in the 1960s and being marginalized in a society that already had high unemployment. White teens who want to rebel simply copy the aesthetic of whatever minority community is currently oppressed and therefore anti-authoritarian (which is why white kids in the US love rap). So reggae + rebellious white teens = punk.
Secondly, I learned that supermodels are so emaciated because that’s supposed to decrease their feminine sexuality and make them attractive to women, not men. Men are attracted to breasts and hips and whatnot, so women with these attributes are featured in advertising directed exclusively at men, such as beer commercials. But supermodels exist primarily to sell clothes and perfume; their target audience is women, and following the rule that “sex sells,” supermodels are supposed to be sexually arousing to women. So the fashion industry is founded on latent Lesbianism.
Student Council: The Meet Market » Jump to Post
I was a Religions major in college, so I studied Latin, Greek, and Hebrew. Everyone told me to take modern Hebrew instead of Biblical because it would be more useful in the long run, but what they didn't tell me was that Biblical is much easier than modern, and since I never did make it to Israel to actually "use" the language, I think I got kind of screwed. My Hebrew teacher learned English by listening to American rock music, so she decided that the best way to teach us Hebrew was to listen to the Israeli Top 40. Today I could not have a practical conversation in Hebrew to save my life, but I could sing several Aviv Geffen songs for you and tell you how lonely I am without you and how I long for the day we can go to the sea together.
Student Council: The Meet Market » Jump to Post
What do I do for a living… Well, technically, nothing. I’m a dilettante. My living comes from a trust fund left to me by a generation of hard-working ancestors who made a lot of money and then kindly died before spending it. Ha! I won’t make that same mistake. It’s not much, but it’s enough to cover the basic necessities of life in L.A.: rent, groceries, strappy heels, highlights, Pilates, collagen injections, breast implants, etc. Basically, I want to be a Beverly Hills trophy wife without the nuisance of having to get married. I used to work in management consulting, so I did have a real job at one point, and I miss the financial modeling and Excel enough that my fascination with television has led me into deep quantitative analysis of the ratings that now fills several spreadsheets in my computer (it helps to have friends at networks who send you the data straight from Nielsen’s). So if you ever have a question about the ratings, ask me. I will know the answer, or at the very least pretend that I do. Now I’m an aspiring writer, but I’ve yet to find a genre I enjoy writing in as much as I enjoy writing fan fiction.
huh int to me - reading her posts bcs good VM analysis. notably smart. and some nice turns of phrase, sensibility eg above re cld sing in hebrew how long to go to seas with you. so I suppose am taken aback, or at least find it strange? ~ alien ~ that: strappy heels, highlights, Pilates, collagen injections, breast implants. trust fund and fan fiction. offputting in unabashed about it? yet likeably clever:
My parents met at Mesa Verde National Park, where my dad was on a dig for his doctoral research and my mom was husband-hunting, I mean, volunteering.
I do get into reading back through someone's blog. or here, posts. their tone. a sort of personality. I say this to note that it doesn't feel 'stalkerish' as they say. bcs done in a 'huh' mode rather than a prurient one?
Search Results depudor p4:
Veronica Mars General Gabbery » Speculation Without Spoilers » Jump to Post
I'd prefer that the S2 arc not be solving the murder of an important Neptunite or someone close to Veronica, because that's too close to Lilly and might feel kind of been-there...
What else could go on? A major theft? A kidnapping? Someone burns down the school? Some scary X-Files-like conspiracy among the powers that be? It would be cool to see something highlighting the town's social bifurcation well another smart call (predictive of what the writers did go on to do) -- like a big company has buried toxic waste in the poor part of town, and people are getting sick, like A Civil Action. It'd be a nice way to get Weevil more involved. And a lot of PI work is done on behalf of lawyers needing evidence for trials.
Of course, it would also be nice to have it be something going on at the school, since they only have one more year left in high school, and then that won't be a plot option anymore. yes and with the bus crash they used the high school setting.
also p4, giving me a flashback to Bethesda outside a toy store Lo~~? where there was a concert maybe by Barbie & the Rockers. by some young girl toy themed group. and ~ a basketball player came up and I made a thing out of how he was so tall I'd thought he was already up on the stage. and someone I was with made an impression on me by stealing wet wipes, or something, opening up a sliding window ~
-There was a Jem TV show? Wow. I had a couple Jem dolls, but they disappeared after being shunned by the Barbie Rockers.
depudor's earlier v impressive call (p1 of search results):
Veronica Mars General Gabbery » Speculation Without Spoilers » Mar 1, 2005 @ 2:20 pm Jump to Post
Going in the totally opposite direction, I actually don't think she was raped at all. I've thought all along that a date rape drug, like La Anah posted, doesn't knock you out, it makes you more willing or pliable, and you don't remember what happened. If someone gives you a roofie and then has sex with you, yes, you've been raped. But if Logan roofied her because he was drunk and he's an asshole and he didn't really realize the consequences of what he was doing (or didn't care), and then Duncan comes along, also drunk/stoned/etc., and he and Veronica have sex, and she's more or less willing at that point, then she really wasn't raped. And this would explain some of those moments when Duncan acts like he really wants to talk to Veronica about something but then changes his mind.
another good call, V suspecting Logan of killing Lily. search p5 ["despoilered post re why I think Logan replaced Duncan as Rob's intended femme fatale.]
Logan Echolls: Soft Underbelly...Or Rock Hard? » Jump to Post
This is not to say that I think Logan killed Lilly, but I won't be surprised if he becomes a real suspect at some point for Veronica. I don’t know what Logan’s alibi was for the day Lilly was killed, but since the time of death is off, it seems most of the alibis are invalidated, although the only ones that are mentioned specifically are the Kanes’. As I’ve said ad nauseum in another thread, I’m not convinced that either parent could have killed Lilly, at least not intentionally (and I don’t think Rob is going to go for an accidental death here). A parent murdering a teenaged child is a very rare thing, whereas when a women is murdered, her boyfriend or husband is always the prime suspect. Lilly dumped Logan just days before her death, and we know from her own words that Logan was “insanely jealous.” We also know that Logan is prone to impulsive acts of violence, which is something that no other suspect has demonstrated.
I think it could be cool if at the climax of this story, when it all comes to a head in the last episode, Veronica suspects Logan of killing Lilly, and this is the wedge that drives them apart...
Speculation Without Spoilers » Jump to Post
I have no idea if Lynn is alive or not, but I'd be hesitant to draw any conclusions based on the confusion about why Trina left Australia and how she ended up with Lynn's clothes and credit cards. This was simply an unavoidable continuity fuck-up in what was orignally a well thought-out storyline: Trina came home for Lynn's funeral; she took the clothes and credit cards and pretended to go back to Australia but instead holed up in LA because she a) is a selfish bitch; and/or b) didn't want Haaron to know that she got fired from the Australia gig. ok that all does make sense.
But after the storyline was plotted, Alyson Hannigan turned out to be unavailable for the funeral episode, and they chose to write Trina out of it rather than re-cast the role. So it ends up being pretty much impossible to explain how or when Trina got the credit cards. The clothes, on the other hand, she could've stolen months ago, and as for why she would want them, Lynn would have a lot of stylish stuff and designer labels that Trina couldn't afford, since Trina clearly has money issues (hence stealing the credit cards) due to her failed career.
Veronica Mars General Gabbery » Speculation Without Spoilers » Jump to Post
I'd prefer that the S2 arc not be solving the murder of an important Neptunite or someone close to Veronica, because that's too close to Lilly and might feel kind of been-there...
What else could go on? A major theft? A kidnapping? Someone burns down the school? Some scary X-Files-like conspiracy among the powers that be? It would be cool to see something highlighting the town's social bifurcation well another smart call (predictive of what the writers did go on to do) -- like a big company has buried toxic waste in the poor part of town, and people are getting sick, like A Civil Action. It'd be a nice way to get Weevil more involved. And a lot of PI work is done on behalf of lawyers needing evidence for trials.
Of course, it would also be nice to have it be something going on at the school, since they only have one more year left in high school, and then that won't be a plot option anymore. yes and with the bus crash they used the high school setting.
also p4, giving me a flashback to Bethesda outside a toy store Lo~~? where there was a concert maybe by Barbie & the Rockers. by some young girl toy themed group. and ~ a basketball player came up and I made a thing out of how he was so tall I'd thought he was already up on the stage. and someone I was with made an impression on me by stealing wet wipes, or something, opening up a sliding window ~
-There was a Jem TV show? Wow. I had a couple Jem dolls, but they disappeared after being shunned by the Barbie Rockers.
depudor's earlier v impressive call (p1 of search results):
Veronica Mars General Gabbery » Speculation Without Spoilers » Mar 1, 2005 @ 2:20 pm Jump to Post
Going in the totally opposite direction, I actually don't think she was raped at all. I've thought all along that a date rape drug, like La Anah posted, doesn't knock you out, it makes you more willing or pliable, and you don't remember what happened. If someone gives you a roofie and then has sex with you, yes, you've been raped. But if Logan roofied her because he was drunk and he's an asshole and he didn't really realize the consequences of what he was doing (or didn't care), and then Duncan comes along, also drunk/stoned/etc., and he and Veronica have sex, and she's more or less willing at that point, then she really wasn't raped. And this would explain some of those moments when Duncan acts like he really wants to talk to Veronica about something but then changes his mind.
another good call, V suspecting Logan of killing Lily. search p5 ["despoilered post re why I think Logan replaced Duncan as Rob's intended femme fatale.]
Logan Echolls: Soft Underbelly...Or Rock Hard? » Jump to Post
This is not to say that I think Logan killed Lilly, but I won't be surprised if he becomes a real suspect at some point for Veronica. I don’t know what Logan’s alibi was for the day Lilly was killed, but since the time of death is off, it seems most of the alibis are invalidated, although the only ones that are mentioned specifically are the Kanes’. As I’ve said ad nauseum in another thread, I’m not convinced that either parent could have killed Lilly, at least not intentionally (and I don’t think Rob is going to go for an accidental death here). A parent murdering a teenaged child is a very rare thing, whereas when a women is murdered, her boyfriend or husband is always the prime suspect. Lilly dumped Logan just days before her death, and we know from her own words that Logan was “insanely jealous.” We also know that Logan is prone to impulsive acts of violence, which is something that no other suspect has demonstrated.
I think it could be cool if at the climax of this story, when it all comes to a head in the last episode, Veronica suspects Logan of killing Lilly, and this is the wedge that drives them apart...
Speculation Without Spoilers » Jump to Post
I have no idea if Lynn is alive or not, but I'd be hesitant to draw any conclusions based on the confusion about why Trina left Australia and how she ended up with Lynn's clothes and credit cards. This was simply an unavoidable continuity fuck-up in what was orignally a well thought-out storyline: Trina came home for Lynn's funeral; she took the clothes and credit cards and pretended to go back to Australia but instead holed up in LA because she a) is a selfish bitch; and/or b) didn't want Haaron to know that she got fired from the Australia gig. ok that all does make sense.
But after the storyline was plotted, Alyson Hannigan turned out to be unavailable for the funeral episode, and they chose to write Trina out of it rather than re-cast the role. So it ends up being pretty much impossible to explain how or when Trina got the credit cards. The clothes, on the other hand, she could've stolen months ago, and as for why she would want them, Lynn would have a lot of stylish stuff and designer labels that Trina couldn't afford, since Trina clearly has money issues (hence stealing the credit cards) due to her failed career.
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The Rest Of The Galaxy » Rrowr, Lion, Rrowrr—Deputy Leo the Leo » Jump to Post
I just watched Ruskie Business again, and when he opens that car door and says, 'What's wrong, Veronica?' it's the most perfect line delivery in the whole episode. He really sounds straight out of an '80s movie.
Hot. Hot. Hot.
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I love that Leo can't stop smiling when he talks. It's charming. If there were no Logan on this show, Leo would be my top choice for Veronica.
I was talking to a friend today, and the subject of VM came up, and she kept talking about Leo and how much she loves him. When I mentioned my preference for Logan, she went, "Huh? Logan?" like the thought of Logan as a potential love interest for Veronica had never even entered her mind. That's when it occurred to me that TwoP is very different from the outside world.
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The Rest Of The Galaxy » Rrowr, Lion, Rrowrr—Deputy Leo the Leo » Jump to Post
I just watched Ruskie Business again, and when he opens that car door and says, 'What's wrong, Veronica?' it's the most perfect line delivery in the whole episode. He really sounds straight out of an '80s movie.
Hot. Hot. Hot.
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I love that Leo can't stop smiling when he talks. It's charming. If there were no Logan on this show, Leo would be my top choice for Veronica.
I was talking to a friend today, and the subject of VM came up, and she kept talking about Leo and how much she loves him. When I mentioned my preference for Logan, she went, "Huh? Logan?" like the thought of Logan as a potential love interest for Veronica had never even entered her mind. That's when it occurred to me that TwoP is very different from the outside world.
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DWIGHT YOAKAM - SMOKE ALONG THE TRACK LYRICS:
Bye, bye, so long, there's something down the track It's callin' me
Bye, bye, so long, I guess that's just the way I'll always be
Now when I get this feelin' Don't try to hold me back
I'll only leave you cryin' In the smoke along the track
I know I just can't settle down because I like to roam
And when I hear that whistle blow I gotta move along
Bye, bye, so long, there's something down the track It's callin' me
Bye, bye, so long, I guess that's just the way I'll always be
Now when I get this feelin' Don't try to hold me back
I'll only leave you cryin' In the smoke along the track
I know I just can't settle down because I like to roam
And when I hear that whistle blow I gotta move along
James Talley - Got No Bread, No Milk, No Money, But We Sure Got A Lot of Love: Pure, perfect Americana from the 'dawn' of the idea of Americana as its own genre, a 30th Anniversary re-issue that's genuine, timeless, and terrific. There's no need to think of this as 'old' music, or consider it was originally recorded in the mid-70's - it's good. Enjoy it. Savor it. Love it. Americana has been around for some 80 years, but some of these guys perfected it around this time, and James Talley was there to help show ‘em how.
Like the others who came from this time, such as Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt, Steve Earle, Graham Parsons, Emmylou Harris, Rodney Crowell, etc., etc., James Talley is a vibrant, unique, and incredible voice.
little gal she calls me honey and she came from heaven above
Like the others who came from this time, such as Guy Clark, Townes Van Zandt, Steve Earle, Graham Parsons, Emmylou Harris, Rodney Crowell, etc., etc., James Talley is a vibrant, unique, and incredible voice.
little gal she calls me honey and she came from heaven above
Trashcan Tomcat Lyrics by Jim Lauderdale:
Call me trashcan tomcat
I'm as lonesome as a song
Call me trashcan tomcat
Lonely as the day is long
I will leave you in the morning
When my alley run is through
Disappear without a warning
But I will never leave you blue
| Date | Album | Recorded By | |||
| | 2004 | Headed For The Hills | Jim Lauderdale |
nice voice. or way of singing ~ twangy ~ lonely as the day is long.
FitzGerald's Calendar Listings
2007 rpj said thinks jim lauderdale playing in town out at Fitzgeralds 2 weeks or so. he's right. maybe I will go. I liked his way of singing.
Friday, August 3 (COUNTRY) Jim Lauderdale, John Langford, 9:30pm, $12 (TM/Club) .Jim Lauderdale is a multi-talented performer and songwriter, with successes in both country and bluegrass music. His roots stem from the Carolinas, yet his career has taken him all over the United States and abroad, making him an international recording artist with an ever-growing fan base. He has hosted the Americana Music Awards for the past three years and won their first Artist of the Year and Song of the Year awards. He is among Nashville's "A" list of songwriters, with songs recorded by artists such as Patty Loveless, Dixie Chicks, Mark Chestnut, Vince Gill and George Strait. He also contributed several songs to the successful soundtrack of the film, "Pure Country." His songs continue to strike a chord with a new generation of artists including Gary Allan and Blake Shelton.
"It's been a particularly great period for me," says Lauderdale. "Thanks to the records - I'm performing more and more, which I love. And I love that I can play the Opry one weekend, a jam-band festival the next and then a bluegrass festival the following week. That's really inspiring to me and I think there's a real thread there. The roots are the same for all of them and that's the music I'm interested in."jimlauderdale.com
Memphis, Tennessee - Chuck Berry (Lyrics and Chords):
Long distance information, give me Memphis, Tennessee
Help me find the party trying to get in touch with me
She could not leave her number, but I know who placed the call
'Cause my uncle took the message and he wrote it on the wall
(G) / D - - - / / G - - - / - D7 - G - /
Help me, information, get in touch with my Marie
She's the only one who'd phone me here from Memphis, Tennessee
Her home is on the south side, high up on a ridge
Just a half a mile from the Mississippi bridge
Last time I saw Marie she's waving me good-bye
With hurry home drops on her cheek that trickled from her eye
But we were pulled apart because her mom did not agree
And tore apart our happy home in Memphis, Tennessee
Help me, information, more than that I cannot add
Only that I miss her and all the fun we had
Marie is only six years old, information please
Try to put me through to her in Memphis, Tennessee
GAMES PEOPLE PLAY
johnnyspencer.info/imagetexts13/gamespeopleplayWF.htm
huh: texts ('sources' I suppose) for lines.
a-talkin' bout you and me --- so I remember jp coming by to see me at p&p. I was wearing those fragile widedark blue pants fitted around waist I think he touched my waist, it makes me sad to flash on that memory. with a white shirt and maybe necklace no a headband ~ that blue strip with pattern ~ remembered bcs it was an especially invented outfit. we were in the cafe and he said he was tired of the games he & I played.
I think I was dramatic angryish to that, like: what games. when I remember it, I think he was being earnest. and I am sorry I was not.
then did he tell me about going to russia and theree being a forest where buried bodies had just been found. a massacre.
so when was that? summer 1996 that's my guess. so I am 19 and that past fall I came out of breaking by wanting, telling him about it. he said that's a cloud I've never seen. and then things lightened and he called and said, you get more charming every year.
then: we could talk about when the last time I called someone charming was, or if I ever have.
then in March after not calling from school he came in the night with his friend. and Glenn was at my house and they went in the living room and he said he was sorry and again in my head I was that dramatic voice ('yes, yes you are sorry') rather than earnest. I was shaking and he was sitting next to me.
johnnyspencer.info/
huh: texts ('sources' I suppose) for lines.
a-talkin' bout you and me --- so I remember jp coming by to see me at p&p. I was wearing those fragile widedark blue pants fitted around waist I think he touched my waist, it makes me sad to flash on that memory. with a white shirt and maybe necklace no a headband ~ that blue strip with pattern ~ remembered bcs it was an especially invented outfit. we were in the cafe and he said he was tired of the games he & I played.
I think I was dramatic angryish to that, like: what games. when I remember it, I think he was being earnest. and I am sorry I was not.
then did he tell me about going to russia and theree being a forest where buried bodies had just been found. a massacre.
so when was that? summer 1996 that's my guess. so I am 19 and that past fall I came out of breaking by wanting, telling him about it. he said that's a cloud I've never seen. and then things lightened and he called and said, you get more charming every year.
then: we could talk about when the last time I called someone charming was, or if I ever have.
then in March after not calling from school he came in the night with his friend. and Glenn was at my house and they went in the living room and he said he was sorry and again in my head I was that dramatic voice ('yes, yes you are sorry') rather than earnest. I was shaking and he was sitting next to me.
MOE BANDY - SOFT LIGHTS AND HARD COUNTRY MUSIC LYRICS:
Well it really tears me up when I hear a hurtin' song
And I'm someone who likes a good cold beer
...
I need soft lights and hard country music
Those cheatin' songs assure me that her leaving's real
I need soft lights and hard country music
A steel guitar in a dim lit bar knows exactly how I feel
Joe South - Games People Play Lyrics:
La-da da da da da da da
La-da da da da da de
I'm a talkin 'bout you and me
And the games people play
Well it really tears me up when I hear a hurtin' song
And I'm someone who likes a good cold beer
...
I need soft lights and hard country music
Those cheatin' songs assure me that her leaving's real
I need soft lights and hard country music
A steel guitar in a dim lit bar knows exactly how I feel
Joe South - Games People Play Lyrics:
La-da da da da da da da
La-da da da da da de
I'm a talkin 'bout you and me
And the games people play
Thursday, July 19, 2007
Jason Dohring: Yes, He's Married. -p8:
depudor: OK, my new favorite picture of Jason. I think he's trying to feed Francis something.
-I can't see your picture of Jason...
-I think this is the correct link to the JD-feeding-FC pic.
did not mark this when saw it and it has stayed in my mind so had to go looking.
site:http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com jason francis picture - ggl
------------meanwhile elsewhere
Jason Dohring ... - TWoP Forums:
-Jason is incredibly, incredibly good-looking in person. He almost gives off this glow of otherworldliness. All the actors do, but it was especially prominent on him.
- He's also really, really hot in person.
(healing fish)
Veronica Mars in the Media - TWoP Forums
topanga:
The supporting cast is wonderful, without a doubt. Jason is outstanding as 'Bad Boy With a Broken Heart' Logan, and I love Percy and Rico. But Kristen Bell is irreplacable. Rob Thomas would be able to find other great actors for any of the supporting roles, but there is no one else who would make Veronica as smart, witty, cute, likeable and heartwrenching as Kristen does.
depudor: OK, my new favorite picture of Jason. I think he's trying to feed Francis something.
-I can't see your picture of Jason...
-I think this is the correct link to the JD-feeding-FC pic.
did not mark this when saw it and it has stayed in my mind so had to go looking.
site:http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com jason francis picture - ggl
------------meanwhile elsewhere
Jason Dohring ... - TWoP Forums:
-Jason is incredibly, incredibly good-looking in person. He almost gives off this glow of otherworldliness. All the actors do, but it was especially prominent on him.
- He's also really, really hot in person.
(healing fish)
Veronica Mars in the Media - TWoP Forums
topanga:
The supporting cast is wonderful, without a doubt. Jason is outstanding as 'Bad Boy With a Broken Heart' Logan, and I love Percy and Rico. But Kristen Bell is irreplacable. Rob Thomas would be able to find other great actors for any of the supporting roles, but there is no one else who would make Veronica as smart, witty, cute, likeable and heartwrenching as Kristen does.
Finale wrap-up: "Veronica Mars" season 2 - By Stephanie Zacharek
One of the purposes of season finales is to wrap up a million and one loose ends -- or, in the case of "Veronica Mars," a million and two. ....
am lkg at again and want to put here for now, though alread have. I'm at loose ends (as I think is evident in the scattershot way I am posting here to dlww) still reading about VM but without focus, now that done watching season 1 & 2. and 3 does seem sorry-making. no new int to take its place. some of this at least is posted below, beginning of my watching VM. eg this part:
And then, beyond these two rooftop figures, we see a fireball in the sky, a ragged symbol for one of the roughest passages in life -- that of losing a parent, and, in Veronica's case, a colleague who sometimes seems to be the only true friend she's got. [commercials - but cld show us something amazing the people on the ship, the farmer plowing his fields... who must have seen something amazing - a boy falling from the sky
and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.]
... and we'd still be thinking about the look on Kristen Bell's face as she watches that explosion in the sky, a perversion of teenage openness in which a young person, ostensibly with everything to look forward to, is instead looking out on a vast world of grief.
In a dewy-edged, painful dream sequence during this finale, Veronica imagines an alternative graduation day: Her parents are still together (in Veronica's real life, her mother, played by Corinne Bohrer, has a serious drinking problem and has left her family behind); Logan Echolls, and not Duncan Kane, is her true-blue boyfriend; and her best friend, Lilly Kane, is still alive. Everyone is happier this way, and at one point during this dream of the way things ought to be, Veronica looks at her father and catches the look of contentment on his face.
The moment represents everything she wants for him -- a recognition of the reality that part of growing up is wanting happiness as much for our parents as we do for ourselves. And Bell, a terrific actress captures that perfectly.
Her lively, intelligent eyes are always busy reading the people around her. Veronica, as a good detective always does, is always stepping into other people's shoes.
But later in this episode, when she sees that ball of fire in the sky and realizes that her father may have been taken away from her forever, there are no shoes to stand in but her own.
Long after that endless commercial break, we realize Keith Mars isn't dead. But for a time, we live with Veronica's loss, and we feel it as if it were our own. Even those of us who lost parents long ago, and under far less dramatic circumstances, are likely to have felt a pang. You're never too old to be an orphan.
One of the purposes of season finales is to wrap up a million and one loose ends -- or, in the case of "Veronica Mars," a million and two. ....
am lkg at again and want to put here for now, though alread have. I'm at loose ends (as I think is evident in the scattershot way I am posting here to dlww) still reading about VM but without focus, now that done watching season 1 & 2. and 3 does seem sorry-making. no new int to take its place. some of this at least is posted below, beginning of my watching VM. eg this part:
And then, beyond these two rooftop figures, we see a fireball in the sky, a ragged symbol for one of the roughest passages in life -- that of losing a parent, and, in Veronica's case, a colleague who sometimes seems to be the only true friend she's got. [commercials - but cld show us something amazing the people on the ship, the farmer plowing his fields... who must have seen something amazing - a boy falling from the sky
and the expensive delicate ship that must have seen
Something amazing, a boy falling out of the sky,
Had somewhere to get to and sailed calmly on.]
... and we'd still be thinking about the look on Kristen Bell's face as she watches that explosion in the sky, a perversion of teenage openness in which a young person, ostensibly with everything to look forward to, is instead looking out on a vast world of grief.
In a dewy-edged, painful dream sequence during this finale, Veronica imagines an alternative graduation day: Her parents are still together (in Veronica's real life, her mother, played by Corinne Bohrer, has a serious drinking problem and has left her family behind); Logan Echolls, and not Duncan Kane, is her true-blue boyfriend; and her best friend, Lilly Kane, is still alive. Everyone is happier this way, and at one point during this dream of the way things ought to be, Veronica looks at her father and catches the look of contentment on his face.
The moment represents everything she wants for him -- a recognition of the reality that part of growing up is wanting happiness as much for our parents as we do for ourselves. And Bell, a terrific actress captures that perfectly.
Her lively, intelligent eyes are always busy reading the people around her. Veronica, as a good detective always does, is always stepping into other people's shoes.
But later in this episode, when she sees that ball of fire in the sky and realizes that her father may have been taken away from her forever, there are no shoes to stand in but her own.
Long after that endless commercial break, we realize Keith Mars isn't dead. But for a time, we live with Veronica's loss, and we feel it as if it were our own. Even those of us who lost parents long ago, and under far less dramatic circumstances, are likely to have felt a pang. You're never too old to be an orphan.
By Stephanie Zacharek (season 1 VM review) noted below.good writeup. all of this may be redundant (alrdy on dlww) but am lkg at it again and want to put here for now. (can organize & delete if want to, later)
Tough-but-tender blondes who harbor deadly secrets; upstanding citizens with reputations to protect; kids from the other side of the tracks whose common decency always shines through: There are a million stories in the naked city, but there are a million more in high school. "Veronica Mars" has dug up some of the best ones.
Veronica is the perfect gumshoe loner, like a much prettier Bogey in jeans and a hoodie, and on last night's season finale, she finally unlocked the secret to the mystery that has tortured her for the better part of the school year...
But in keeping with the show's sharp, inquisitive sensibility, in addition to answering all our questions this season finale opened up some new ones: Veronica's mother (Corinne Bohrer), who left the family suddenly and mysteriously only to return after a stint in a rehab joint for alcoholics, apparently hasn't kicked her habit -- and while we all like to think, wistfully, that it's always better for families to remain intact, "Veronica Mars" has the guts to explore the idea that some families are better off splintered. We don't know what has happened to Logan (Jason Dohring), whom Veronica at one point suspected of having murdered Lilly; he was last seen teetering, drunk and depressed, on the edge of a bridge. (The additional complication is that he has fallen hard for Veronica, a turn of events that has given him some complicated, fascinating angles, as well as upped his charm.)
And in the episode's final scene, Veronica, having dropped into bed, exhausted (she's just saved her father's life), is awakened by a knock at the door. She opens it, and we can't see who's standing on the doorstep, but Veronica's face glows with a relieved, relaxed radiance we haven't seen in her for several episodes.
"I was hoping it would be you," she says. And just at that moment, the image of her standing in the doorway fades away from us, a gentle, soothing cliffhanger to keep us suspended until next season.
The answer to "Who killed Lilly Kane?" has turned out to be relatively clear-cut. But the whodunit structure of "Veronica Mars" is something of a red herring, because what really entangles us, and keeps us on the hook, are the bigger questions -- they're the key to the show's momentum, its sly sense of fun, and its emotional resonance.
Veronica is played by Bell with such eminently reasonable self-assurance that we're almost fooled into thinking we don't need to worry about her -- with her small frame, no-nonsense blond locks and dark, glittering eyes, she seems both sophisticated and mischievously elfin. Veronica can, and does, take care of everything: She tries hard to help out with the family finances, and she gives up her own hard-earned college savings to help her mother straighten out so she can come home. Each successive episode only confirms Veronica's perceived invincibility -- which is why it's so devastating when we see her confused or afraid, or when she's overcome with missing her mother.
Whodunit -- and much more - p2 Salon:
I'm glad Veronica Mars solved the mystery of Lilly Kane's murder in this season closer, but what meant more to me was the way Veronica crumpled into her father's arms when he told her that he now knew for sure that he was really her father. (Some previous infidelities on the part of Mrs. Mars had made his paternity questionable.) The moment, played by two superb actors with ardent emotion and, amazingly, zero sentimentality, is a small instance of television perfection. Veronica and her dad are in charge of saving no world but their own, and that's enough.
Tough-but-tender blondes who harbor deadly secrets; upstanding citizens with reputations to protect; kids from the other side of the tracks whose common decency always shines through: There are a million stories in the naked city, but there are a million more in high school. "Veronica Mars" has dug up some of the best ones.
Veronica is the perfect gumshoe loner, like a much prettier Bogey in jeans and a hoodie, and on last night's season finale, she finally unlocked the secret to the mystery that has tortured her for the better part of the school year...
But in keeping with the show's sharp, inquisitive sensibility, in addition to answering all our questions this season finale opened up some new ones: Veronica's mother (Corinne Bohrer), who left the family suddenly and mysteriously only to return after a stint in a rehab joint for alcoholics, apparently hasn't kicked her habit -- and while we all like to think, wistfully, that it's always better for families to remain intact, "Veronica Mars" has the guts to explore the idea that some families are better off splintered. We don't know what has happened to Logan (Jason Dohring), whom Veronica at one point suspected of having murdered Lilly; he was last seen teetering, drunk and depressed, on the edge of a bridge. (The additional complication is that he has fallen hard for Veronica, a turn of events that has given him some complicated, fascinating angles, as well as upped his charm.)
And in the episode's final scene, Veronica, having dropped into bed, exhausted (she's just saved her father's life), is awakened by a knock at the door. She opens it, and we can't see who's standing on the doorstep, but Veronica's face glows with a relieved, relaxed radiance we haven't seen in her for several episodes.
"I was hoping it would be you," she says. And just at that moment, the image of her standing in the doorway fades away from us, a gentle, soothing cliffhanger to keep us suspended until next season.
The answer to "Who killed Lilly Kane?" has turned out to be relatively clear-cut. But the whodunit structure of "Veronica Mars" is something of a red herring, because what really entangles us, and keeps us on the hook, are the bigger questions -- they're the key to the show's momentum, its sly sense of fun, and its emotional resonance.
Veronica is played by Bell with such eminently reasonable self-assurance that we're almost fooled into thinking we don't need to worry about her -- with her small frame, no-nonsense blond locks and dark, glittering eyes, she seems both sophisticated and mischievously elfin. Veronica can, and does, take care of everything: She tries hard to help out with the family finances, and she gives up her own hard-earned college savings to help her mother straighten out so she can come home. Each successive episode only confirms Veronica's perceived invincibility -- which is why it's so devastating when we see her confused or afraid, or when she's overcome with missing her mother.
Whodunit -- and much more - p2 Salon:
I'm glad Veronica Mars solved the mystery of Lilly Kane's murder in this season closer, but what meant more to me was the way Veronica crumpled into her father's arms when he told her that he now knew for sure that he was really her father. (Some previous infidelities on the part of Mrs. Mars had made his paternity questionable.) The moment, played by two superb actors with ardent emotion and, amazingly, zero sentimentality, is a small instance of television perfection. Veronica and her dad are in charge of saving no world but their own, and that's enough.
Erica Gimpel as Coco Hernandez (seasons 1–3)
from pic at Translated version of http://www.sarannofamosi.org/CAST.HTM
maybe familiar, but I may have never seen her. I think I met Coco in the movie ~ was like, oh there's no Nicole. there's Coco. who I liked but second best to Nicole.
is that right? I'm not sure. recollection vague ~ it could have been Coco who I liked best, and only came to like Nicole later. did I know the tv show or the movie first? well, probably the tv show, in which case, that is rigt: Nicole was my first love.
the int thing is that Erica Gimpel is who I have just seen as Alicia Fennel (Wallace's mom) on VM, huh. did not seem familiar there. so probably I hardly saw her if at all as Coco. although also it's twenty years later. but I remember the others - so I think I must not have watched the first three seasons in which she was there as Coco. my season was 5. in 1985-86. and season 4.
different actress in movie?
yes Fame (1980): Irene Cara ... Coco
from pic at Translated version of http://www.sarannofamosi.org/CAST.HTM
maybe familiar, but I may have never seen her. I think I met Coco in the movie ~ was like, oh there's no Nicole. there's Coco. who I liked but second best to Nicole.
is that right? I'm not sure. recollection vague ~ it could have been Coco who I liked best, and only came to like Nicole later. did I know the tv show or the movie first? well, probably the tv show, in which case, that is rigt: Nicole was my first love.
the int thing is that Erica Gimpel is who I have just seen as Alicia Fennel (Wallace's mom) on VM, huh. did not seem familiar there. so probably I hardly saw her if at all as Coco. although also it's twenty years later. but I remember the others - so I think I must not have watched the first three seasons in which she was there as Coco. my season was 5. in 1985-86. and season 4.
different actress in movie?
yes Fame (1980): Irene Cara ... Coco
FAME!
Translated version of http://www.sarannofamosi.org/CAST.HTM
Oh these pictures I remember...
Holly Laird (Cynthia Gibb)
Holly I remember an episode where you stopped eating, became anorexic. parents split up, Holly had them for dinner, and she was cutting the few peas she put on her plate into smaller bites. she goes to the hospital. and Whitney after seeing this was worried when I did not want to eat an ice cream sandwich from her basement. I remember this with an image of her basement doors & steps.
Nicole Chapman (Nia Peeples)
oh. I wanted to be her.
int to read that she seemed sad. she did, didn't she?
Nicole is one beautiful girl and of class. Economically well-off family comes from one. Good one in the song, the recitazione and the dance is demonstrated much. It has a character, not too much strongly sovente has a sad air, sometimes with the tears to the eyes. Most in love of Jesse, often the cause of its melancholy. I remember an episode where they break up bcs she is not ready to sleep with him and he says "sometimes you either move forward or -"
there's a song: Straight to the heart, you're always going.
To a sure point of the series, Nicole exits of scene, dies because of a street incident. Sin! It knew to instill much tenderness and simaptia. she dies!! I don't think I knew that. so maybe I watched seasons 4 & 5. wkp says Nicole was on from 4-6 and Holly from 3-5 and I remember them both being there.
Jesse Velasquez (Jesse Borrego)
and I remember an episode where he was doing a radio show and got a call in from a girl who was going to kill herself.
song: "You don't know me.
...I never knew the art of making love. til my heart beat with love for you.
scared & shy I let love pass me by - chance that you might want to love me too.
You put your whole hand in mine. and then you say goodbye.
I let you walk away beside a knock-out guy.
to never, never know: the one who loves you so.
You don't know me."
_____________________
oh my - there are others, I did not remember I knew from here:
Robert Romanus oh! I knew him from here before Fast Times at Richmont High - Mike Damone yes I did, I remember this name! (his character) Miltie Horowitz
he was evil-ish wan't he? ooh a song coming to me, dancers on stage, Nicole, and:
"Tell him I'll be waiting... To lead a woman: you've got to know: how the strong get weak, and the rich get poor. Slave to love ~ oh ~ I'm a slave to love"
and Lori Singer did I know her here as Julie Miller? she's the girl in Footloose! and I've read I think that she really is a violinist, I looked to see what else she'd been in, and did not see that she'd been in Fame!
also did not remember that Janet Jackson was in this! but I think I do remember Cleo Hewitt
also remembering:
Quentin Morloch (Ken Swofford) principal?
Bob Dyrenforth (Graham Jarvis) also a principal? or just a teacher
Sig.ra Berg (Ann Nelson)
the secretary all to make of the School. A old and vanished woman that she instills much tenderness. Schierata always from the part of the students. oh she is familiar.
Benjamin Shorofsky (Albert Hague)
Lydia Grant (Debbie Allen) of course
Dusty Tyler (Loretta Chandler) she was a main character, I remember her doing a sultry number in a slinky dress
Reggie Higgins (Carrie Hamilton)
Christopher Donlon (Billy Hufsey) a main character, very much remembered, dating Holly I think. and I remember him trying to figure out how to play Hamlet, who does Hamlet love? and deciding: himself. (was Holly playing Ophelia?)
Doris Schwartz (Valerie Landsburg) ah! "Doris!" I think I have seen this actress since and not know where I knew her from. she was melodramtic wasn't she?
Danny Amatullo (Carl Imperato)
and at the center, from the beginning, the only one I knew from the show and found had been in the movie
Leroy Johnson (Gene Anthony Ray)
Translated version of http://www.sarannofamosi.org/CAST.HTM
Oh these pictures I remember...
Holly Laird (Cynthia Gibb)
Holly I remember an episode where you stopped eating, became anorexic. parents split up, Holly had them for dinner, and she was cutting the few peas she put on her plate into smaller bites. she goes to the hospital. and Whitney after seeing this was worried when I did not want to eat an ice cream sandwich from her basement. I remember this with an image of her basement doors & steps.
Nicole Chapman (Nia Peeples)
oh. I wanted to be her.
int to read that she seemed sad. she did, didn't she?
Nicole is one beautiful girl and of class. Economically well-off family comes from one. Good one in the song, the recitazione and the dance is demonstrated much. It has a character, not too much strongly sovente has a sad air, sometimes with the tears to the eyes. Most in love of Jesse, often the cause of its melancholy. I remember an episode where they break up bcs she is not ready to sleep with him and he says "sometimes you either move forward or -"
there's a song: Straight to the heart, you're always going.
To a sure point of the series, Nicole exits of scene, dies because of a street incident. Sin! It knew to instill much tenderness and simaptia. she dies!! I don't think I knew that. so maybe I watched seasons 4 & 5. wkp says Nicole was on from 4-6 and Holly from 3-5 and I remember them both being there.
Jesse Velasquez (Jesse Borrego)
and I remember an episode where he was doing a radio show and got a call in from a girl who was going to kill herself.
song: "You don't know me.
...I never knew the art of making love. til my heart beat with love for you.
scared & shy I let love pass me by - chance that you might want to love me too.
You put your whole hand in mine. and then you say goodbye.
I let you walk away beside a knock-out guy.
to never, never know: the one who loves you so.
You don't know me."
_____________________
oh my - there are others, I did not remember I knew from here:
Robert Romanus oh! I knew him from here before Fast Times at Richmont High - Mike Damone yes I did, I remember this name! (his character) Miltie Horowitz
he was evil-ish wan't he? ooh a song coming to me, dancers on stage, Nicole, and:
"Tell him I'll be waiting... To lead a woman: you've got to know: how the strong get weak, and the rich get poor. Slave to love ~ oh ~ I'm a slave to love"
and Lori Singer did I know her here as Julie Miller? she's the girl in Footloose! and I've read I think that she really is a violinist, I looked to see what else she'd been in, and did not see that she'd been in Fame!
also did not remember that Janet Jackson was in this! but I think I do remember Cleo Hewitt
also remembering:
Quentin Morloch (Ken Swofford) principal?
Bob Dyrenforth (Graham Jarvis) also a principal? or just a teacher
Sig.ra Berg (Ann Nelson)
the secretary all to make of the School. A old and vanished woman that she instills much tenderness. Schierata always from the part of the students. oh she is familiar.
Benjamin Shorofsky (Albert Hague)
Lydia Grant (Debbie Allen) of course
Dusty Tyler (Loretta Chandler) she was a main character, I remember her doing a sultry number in a slinky dress
Reggie Higgins (Carrie Hamilton)
Christopher Donlon (Billy Hufsey) a main character, very much remembered, dating Holly I think. and I remember him trying to figure out how to play Hamlet, who does Hamlet love? and deciding: himself. (was Holly playing Ophelia?)
Doris Schwartz (Valerie Landsburg) ah! "Doris!" I think I have seen this actress since and not know where I knew her from. she was melodramtic wasn't she?
Danny Amatullo (Carl Imperato)
and at the center, from the beginning, the only one I knew from the show and found had been in the movie
Leroy Johnson (Gene Anthony Ray)
Wednesday, July 18, 2007
Momentary Thing - Something Happens
can hear clip on az- Veronica Mars: Music: Original TV Soundtrack
or in context of its album az- Alan, Elvis & God: Music: Something Happens
*can hear whole song on videos at YouTube - Search Results for “momentary thing”
I Hear The Bells - Mike Doughty
Long Time Coming - Delays
The Way You Are - 46bliss
can hear clip on az- Veronica Mars: Music: Original TV Soundtrack
or in context of its album az- Alan, Elvis & God: Music: Something Happens
*can hear whole song on videos at YouTube - Search Results for “momentary thing”
I Hear The Bells - Mike Doughty
Long Time Coming - Delays
The Way You Are - 46bliss
Logan Echolls: Soft Underbelly...Or Rock Hard? p49:
Mars v. Mars. 'I'll stop braiding.'
That is, with all honesty, my favorite quote of the entire show so far.
Kelmette, in the episode thread, wrote:
And Logan's hand movement for the bell? Priceless. (Like he knew all those TV hours - including on this show - where it interrupts a potentially meanigful conversation and he's like, okay, bye, done w/ the lovey-dovey awkwardness, see ya later V)
Mars v. Mars. 'I'll stop braiding.'
That is, with all honesty, my favorite quote of the entire show so far.
Kelmette, in the episode thread, wrote:
And Logan's hand movement for the bell? Priceless. (Like he knew all those TV hours - including on this show - where it interrupts a potentially meanigful conversation and he's like, okay, bye, done w/ the lovey-dovey awkwardness, see ya later V)
Monday, July 16, 2007
TWoP recap VM 3.4 Charlie Don't Surf -p2:
Veronica confesses that she's been through exactly what Parker's been through -- at 'Shelly Pomroy's end of year party, the summer of 2004.' when really it was winter 2003. end of calendar year. unless it's been confused all along ~ end of year ~ did always suggest to me the end of the school year and I had to figure out meant calendar year. I mean, I make enough mistakes recapping this show, and I don't really think errors of continuity are necessarily huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but...given how big an issue they made of it at the time, you'd think someone on staff might have caught this one. yeah I'm suprised I guess that K Bell wouldn't have noticed.
Parker's chastened, saying that she had no idea, and Veronica snots, 'Not something I open with.'
Okay, a point recently discussed on the boards: I'm starting to think that in some scenes, opposite some actors, Kristen Bell is showing signs of phoning it in. yeah I didn't enjoy watching her much here. She's failing to show vulnerability in scenes where it's clearly called for, in my opinion (excepting when she's acting opposite Enrico Colantoni or Jason Dohring), and it's making scenes that should be resonant play badly. If I'd read the sides for this scene, I think I would have been a lot more moved than I was in practice, when the opposite should be true. yes. It's just a theory (and the direction could easily be at fault as well), and I guess time will tell. I'm aware that a lot of people think that Veronica's behavior is due to natural character development -- which is certainly possible -- but either way, in my view, whether the acting is at fault or not, Veronica is increasingly showing a frightening lack of sympathy, and I don't think it's doing the show any favors. It's fine if some or even most of the characters find Veronica unlikable, but if the viewers start to do so, that's another story entirely.
I just watched this episode on CW site.
recaplet: Logan calls the brother, Charlie (played by Matt Czuchry, Logan on Gilmore Girls, and okay, heh).
Veronica confesses that she's been through exactly what Parker's been through -- at 'Shelly Pomroy's end of year party, the summer of 2004.' when really it was winter 2003. end of calendar year. unless it's been confused all along ~ end of year ~ did always suggest to me the end of the school year and I had to figure out meant calendar year. I mean, I make enough mistakes recapping this show, and I don't really think errors of continuity are necessarily huge deal in the grand scheme of things, but...given how big an issue they made of it at the time, you'd think someone on staff might have caught this one. yeah I'm suprised I guess that K Bell wouldn't have noticed.
Parker's chastened, saying that she had no idea, and Veronica snots, 'Not something I open with.'
Okay, a point recently discussed on the boards: I'm starting to think that in some scenes, opposite some actors, Kristen Bell is showing signs of phoning it in. yeah I didn't enjoy watching her much here. She's failing to show vulnerability in scenes where it's clearly called for, in my opinion (excepting when she's acting opposite Enrico Colantoni or Jason Dohring), and it's making scenes that should be resonant play badly. If I'd read the sides for this scene, I think I would have been a lot more moved than I was in practice, when the opposite should be true. yes. It's just a theory (and the direction could easily be at fault as well), and I guess time will tell. I'm aware that a lot of people think that Veronica's behavior is due to natural character development -- which is certainly possible -- but either way, in my view, whether the acting is at fault or not, Veronica is increasingly showing a frightening lack of sympathy, and I don't think it's doing the show any favors. It's fine if some or even most of the characters find Veronica unlikable, but if the viewers start to do so, that's another story entirely.
I just watched this episode on CW site.
recaplet: Logan calls the brother, Charlie (played by Matt Czuchry, Logan on Gilmore Girls, and okay, heh).
Saturday, July 14, 2007
depudor p31 Search Results
Cast Appearances In Real Life » Jump to Post
I thought Kristen sounded so different from what I was expecting. She doesn't sound like Veronica at all; she's much softer and girlie and reminded me of another actress I can't remember right now. Jason also sounded very different; his voice sounded deeper or more grown-up -- I definitely sensed that he tries to make Logan sound like a kid. Teddy was different in the sense that he seems to dial down a lot of his personality and charm when he plays Duncan, and I guess this is supposed to be due to the meds, but IMO is a mistake, because your first job as an actor is to make people want to see you on their screen and not fast-forward or change the channel.
Student Council: The Meet Market
» Jump to Post I think Francis was the funniest overall, and not just because he dresses like he just climed out of P. Diddy's limo after being sprung from the joint, like, "Honey, are you sure my other gold chains are at the cleaners?" He cracked me up. Kristen was pretty listless, Rico is such a mensch, Teddy is a policy wonk who loves political talk shows (and Percy teased him about watching C-SPAN all the time, since they live together huh). Percy is king of the prom and class clown and everything else you can be voted. Rob said "Television without Pity" every time he opened his mouth, and the first time he said it, Jason clapped enthusiastically like he reads it, too, and it made me kind of feel bad that we have a thread making fun of him for being a Scientologist.
-(prvs page in that forum) I loved how much Jason praised Kristen and said how wonderful she was. He seems like a really intelligent, thoughtful guy.
» Jump to Post -That Jason Dohring is easy on the eyes. --I'm glad you said it first, because I felt slightly ashamed that I spent the whole time staring at him. But there was a reason -- I was looking for something specifically in his physical demeanor that would indicate whether he created these mannerisms for Logan or if that's just Jason, and what I saw actually brought tears to my eyes. That kid is a fucking genius. But more on that in another thread...
Jason Dohring: Yes, He's Married. » Jump to Post
I like actors who really inhabit a role physically, who have interesting mannerisms that are consistent. Jason has himself described Logan as all about “force” and I think this comes through not just in the physical altercations he consistently finds himself in, but in instances like the police station in “Mars vs. Mars” where he doesn’t just get up out of the chair, he explodes out of the chair. He has so much energy and physicality that connotes emotion even when he’s not talking, and I think this is one of the reasons that Logan has become such a compelling character.
I’ve noticed from re-watching episodes (which I never did until recently) a couple specific mannerisms that I find interesting, and the main one is that Logan likes to prop one leg up on something both when he’s sitting and when he’s standing. You’ll notice scenes with him in the Jeep, when he’s in the passenger seat, he always has one foot up on the dashboard. It’s very boyish and cute. When he goes in to look at the video in “Mars vs. Mars” he stands but puts one foot up on a chair. When he doesn’t have something to prop his feet on, he sits, sort of slouching, with his legs spread wide open, often spread around Lilly when he’s with her. So I started to think that this guy just can’t keep his knees together.
When I went to the Paley Festival, one of the reasons I was really hoping for Jason to be there was so that I could see if this is just how he sits. So I watched him come in and sit down, and he had a very low table in front of him, so I assumed he’d put one foot up on the table. And not only did he not do that, but he actually crossed his legs, and sat with his legs crossed for the entire hour on stage. He was extremely calm and composed, grown-up and professional, and I just marveled at how he really gets that Logan is only 16 (and a hyper-emotional 16), and the physicality that Jason creates is perfect for a 16-year-old. Everything about Jason’s demeanor is the opposite of Logan, not just physically but even the cadence of his voice, and I thought that was just incredibly beautiful.
Cast Appearances In Real Life » Jump to Post
I thought Kristen sounded so different from what I was expecting. She doesn't sound like Veronica at all; she's much softer and girlie and reminded me of another actress I can't remember right now. Jason also sounded very different; his voice sounded deeper or more grown-up -- I definitely sensed that he tries to make Logan sound like a kid. Teddy was different in the sense that he seems to dial down a lot of his personality and charm when he plays Duncan, and I guess this is supposed to be due to the meds, but IMO is a mistake, because your first job as an actor is to make people want to see you on their screen and not fast-forward or change the channel.
Student Council: The Meet Market
» Jump to Post I think Francis was the funniest overall, and not just because he dresses like he just climed out of P. Diddy's limo after being sprung from the joint, like, "Honey, are you sure my other gold chains are at the cleaners?" He cracked me up. Kristen was pretty listless, Rico is such a mensch, Teddy is a policy wonk who loves political talk shows (and Percy teased him about watching C-SPAN all the time, since they live together huh). Percy is king of the prom and class clown and everything else you can be voted. Rob said "Television without Pity" every time he opened his mouth, and the first time he said it, Jason clapped enthusiastically like he reads it, too, and it made me kind of feel bad that we have a thread making fun of him for being a Scientologist.
-(prvs page in that forum) I loved how much Jason praised Kristen and said how wonderful she was. He seems like a really intelligent, thoughtful guy.
» Jump to Post -That Jason Dohring is easy on the eyes. --I'm glad you said it first, because I felt slightly ashamed that I spent the whole time staring at him. But there was a reason -- I was looking for something specifically in his physical demeanor that would indicate whether he created these mannerisms for Logan or if that's just Jason, and what I saw actually brought tears to my eyes. That kid is a fucking genius. But more on that in another thread...
Jason Dohring: Yes, He's Married. » Jump to Post
I like actors who really inhabit a role physically, who have interesting mannerisms that are consistent. Jason has himself described Logan as all about “force” and I think this comes through not just in the physical altercations he consistently finds himself in, but in instances like the police station in “Mars vs. Mars” where he doesn’t just get up out of the chair, he explodes out of the chair. He has so much energy and physicality that connotes emotion even when he’s not talking, and I think this is one of the reasons that Logan has become such a compelling character.
I’ve noticed from re-watching episodes (which I never did until recently) a couple specific mannerisms that I find interesting, and the main one is that Logan likes to prop one leg up on something both when he’s sitting and when he’s standing. You’ll notice scenes with him in the Jeep, when he’s in the passenger seat, he always has one foot up on the dashboard. It’s very boyish and cute. When he goes in to look at the video in “Mars vs. Mars” he stands but puts one foot up on a chair. When he doesn’t have something to prop his feet on, he sits, sort of slouching, with his legs spread wide open, often spread around Lilly when he’s with her. So I started to think that this guy just can’t keep his knees together.
When I went to the Paley Festival, one of the reasons I was really hoping for Jason to be there was so that I could see if this is just how he sits. So I watched him come in and sit down, and he had a very low table in front of him, so I assumed he’d put one foot up on the table. And not only did he not do that, but he actually crossed his legs, and sat with his legs crossed for the entire hour on stage. He was extremely calm and composed, grown-up and professional, and I just marveled at how he really gets that Logan is only 16 (and a hyper-emotional 16), and the physicality that Jason creates is perfect for a 16-year-old. Everything about Jason’s demeanor is the opposite of Logan, not just physically but even the cadence of his voice, and I thought that was just incredibly beautiful.
Search Results (p34 of 37 where oldest are last) posts by depudor:
Comparing Cojones: HoYay in Neptune Beach » Jump to Post
I was checking out these scenes and realized that Logan does indeed sit and/or lie in other guys’ laps on more than one occasion. He seems to be the only guy in the show who does that, which is somewhat odd and begs a lot of questions but, above all, is so unbelievably hot I don’t even know where to begin… Once again, thank you, Logan.
re pilot - during veronica's intro to logan, isn't he sitting on some guy's knee (who may or may not be duncan it is duncan) with an arm draped over his chest?
& "Meet John Smith" - during the bleacher scene Logan lies back and rests his head on the thigh of the guy sitting behind him.
did I already put this or sth about it here?
not liking depudor's posts that much after all. a bit know-y (seems to work in tv) and opinions I don't enjoy. hmm I guess this is especially in most recent posts (p1 of search) where is very negative re VM says it richly deserves cancellation and that the pussycat dolls are better role models than criminal veronica (big turn around? just read somewhere p30,29,27ish post happy w V's less lawful tactics) and not sure based on 2nd & 3rd seasn that VM is a smarter show. whoa.*still positive sounding on p20 int to scan to see where the turn happens. I suppose after season 1, goes all negative?
well early posts are still proving mostly well-thought & written.
she (it seems - speaks of tv 'husband' claims) does astutely foresee that it was duncan who v had sex with at the party, while both were drugged. and makes int point that this fits with the two of them each having vivid sexual fantasies of each other in Meet John Smith.
also a decent post comparing twin peaks to vm: murder of girl seen from pov of best friend and boyfriend - who may have been less loved and more a front - and best friend and boyfriend bond in grief and end up together.
I've scanned from oldest posts up to p32... then jumped to
Search Results p21 - April 13 posts re 1.19 (L&V) which aired 12 April
I laugh at the collagen jokes, and I've got that shit in my lips. I live in LA; botox, collagen, anything that can be injected in my face, I want it. If Lisa Rinna's lips really are all collagen, God bless her, because my lips are about a quarter the size of hers, and it still hurt like fucking hell. I actually passed out in the dermatologist's office last time. huh. and says in 2005 she's 30.
she sounds to me like she enjoys dropping references to her own dating life & sexuality. in a way I dislike and tends to hit me as someone who is probably not actually that confident. but may not be a good read of her tone, who knows.
Comparing Cojones: HoYay in Neptune Beach » Jump to Post
I was checking out these scenes and realized that Logan does indeed sit and/or lie in other guys’ laps on more than one occasion. He seems to be the only guy in the show who does that, which is somewhat odd and begs a lot of questions but, above all, is so unbelievably hot I don’t even know where to begin… Once again, thank you, Logan.
re pilot - during veronica's intro to logan, isn't he sitting on some guy's knee (who may or may not be duncan it is duncan) with an arm draped over his chest?
& "Meet John Smith" - during the bleacher scene Logan lies back and rests his head on the thigh of the guy sitting behind him.
did I already put this or sth about it here?
not liking depudor's posts that much after all. a bit know-y (seems to work in tv) and opinions I don't enjoy. hmm I guess this is especially in most recent posts (p1 of search) where is very negative re VM says it richly deserves cancellation and that the pussycat dolls are better role models than criminal veronica (big turn around? just read somewhere p30,29,27ish post happy w V's less lawful tactics) and not sure based on 2nd & 3rd seasn that VM is a smarter show. whoa.*still positive sounding on p20 int to scan to see where the turn happens. I suppose after season 1, goes all negative?
well early posts are still proving mostly well-thought & written.
she (it seems - speaks of tv 'husband' claims) does astutely foresee that it was duncan who v had sex with at the party, while both were drugged. and makes int point that this fits with the two of them each having vivid sexual fantasies of each other in Meet John Smith.
also a decent post comparing twin peaks to vm: murder of girl seen from pov of best friend and boyfriend - who may have been less loved and more a front - and best friend and boyfriend bond in grief and end up together.
I've scanned from oldest posts up to p32... then jumped to
Search Results p21 - April 13 posts re 1.19 (L&V) which aired 12 April
I laugh at the collagen jokes, and I've got that shit in my lips. I live in LA; botox, collagen, anything that can be injected in my face, I want it. If Lisa Rinna's lips really are all collagen, God bless her, because my lips are about a quarter the size of hers, and it still hurt like fucking hell. I actually passed out in the dermatologist's office last time. huh. and says in 2005 she's 30.
she sounds to me like she enjoys dropping references to her own dating life & sexuality. in a way I dislike and tends to hit me as someone who is probably not actually that confident. but may not be a good read of her tone, who knows.
3-15: "Papa's Cabin" 2007.02.27 - TWoP Forums p15 [dour season 3 sum]:
Anybody and everybody who was the least bit compelling has either been killed off or completely marginalized. And that includes Keith. It's almost as if it's intentional, although I can't wrap my mind around why they would do that.
Looking back, you could see it coming from 3.01.
What was in the briefcase? Money. Yawn.
Cormac, Head of the Fitzies, who Keith busted, is out of jail. Within 2 or 3 episodes that fizzles out with Kendall 'dead' (I guess) and Cormac killed by Liam over.... money. The end. Yawn.
Weevil is out of jail. Working for Keith? Absolutely brilliant idea. So many possibilities. Will he be any good at it? Will Keith 'coach him up' and Weevil find his true calling? Will he be tempted to doublecross Keith and go back to a life of crime? Especially when he inevitably gets involved in a case involving the PCHers and/or the Fitzies. Oh, this ought to be GOOD. Nope, a 30-second yukyuk moment with Weevil in a ridiculous outfit, followed by Weevil screwing up (off screen) and getting fired. Oh well.
Dick is a basket case after Cassidy's death. Just like Logan, everyone in his life who he cared about is gone. He's on the outs with Logan, has issues with Mac, seems in pretty bad shape. Poof! Never mind, it's Dick. He's just a big dumb goof who's kinda funny sometimes.
Logan has issues stacked on top of issues stacked on top of issues. He has a huge inheritance ($20MM per picture,) a self-destructive streak, an awful lot of time on his hands, and an affinity for gambling. And hey, there's an on-campus gambling operation at Hearst. Currently run by one of Logan's friends. Interesting. And surely the Fitzies have something to do with it, and Logan is sure to get all mixed up in it, putting him at odds with the Marses and possibly Weevil. Maybe Logan tempts Weevil back to the other side. Maybe Veronica and/or Keith and/or Weevil pull him out of an ugly situation. Oh and hey there's this guy who used to be V's BFF who just happens to be involved with a sport on which people love to wager. Wow, even Wallace has something to do! Naaaaah. As others have said, "Logan is just the boyfriend."
Hey, there's Mac! She no longer seems in the mood to fuck. Well alrighty then. Evidently V no longer needs any kind of techie help with any of her cases these days. Issues with the Casablancases? Meh, 10 seconds of sad face at a temporarily-distraught-and-angry-Dick ought to wrap that up.
It's as if they went into the season committed to taking the easy, "okay, that's over" route on every thread that could have lead to interesting, compelling interaction between the characters we had all grown to love, in order to make room for a bunch of generic new people to serve as pawns in generic, run-of-the-mill crime solving plots and romance drama.
Anybody and everybody who was the least bit compelling has either been killed off or completely marginalized. And that includes Keith. It's almost as if it's intentional, although I can't wrap my mind around why they would do that.
Looking back, you could see it coming from 3.01.
What was in the briefcase? Money. Yawn.
Cormac, Head of the Fitzies, who Keith busted, is out of jail. Within 2 or 3 episodes that fizzles out with Kendall 'dead' (I guess) and Cormac killed by Liam over.... money. The end. Yawn.
Weevil is out of jail. Working for Keith? Absolutely brilliant idea. So many possibilities. Will he be any good at it? Will Keith 'coach him up' and Weevil find his true calling? Will he be tempted to doublecross Keith and go back to a life of crime? Especially when he inevitably gets involved in a case involving the PCHers and/or the Fitzies. Oh, this ought to be GOOD. Nope, a 30-second yukyuk moment with Weevil in a ridiculous outfit, followed by Weevil screwing up (off screen) and getting fired. Oh well.
Dick is a basket case after Cassidy's death. Just like Logan, everyone in his life who he cared about is gone. He's on the outs with Logan, has issues with Mac, seems in pretty bad shape. Poof! Never mind, it's Dick. He's just a big dumb goof who's kinda funny sometimes.
Logan has issues stacked on top of issues stacked on top of issues. He has a huge inheritance ($20MM per picture,) a self-destructive streak, an awful lot of time on his hands, and an affinity for gambling. And hey, there's an on-campus gambling operation at Hearst. Currently run by one of Logan's friends. Interesting. And surely the Fitzies have something to do with it, and Logan is sure to get all mixed up in it, putting him at odds with the Marses and possibly Weevil. Maybe Logan tempts Weevil back to the other side. Maybe Veronica and/or Keith and/or Weevil pull him out of an ugly situation. Oh and hey there's this guy who used to be V's BFF who just happens to be involved with a sport on which people love to wager. Wow, even Wallace has something to do! Naaaaah. As others have said, "Logan is just the boyfriend."
Hey, there's Mac! She no longer seems in the mood to fuck. Well alrighty then. Evidently V no longer needs any kind of techie help with any of her cases these days. Issues with the Casablancases? Meh, 10 seconds of sad face at a temporarily-distraught-and-angry-Dick ought to wrap that up.
It's as if they went into the season committed to taking the easy, "okay, that's over" route on every thread that could have lead to interesting, compelling interaction between the characters we had all grown to love, in order to make room for a bunch of generic new people to serve as pawns in generic, run-of-the-mill crime solving plots and romance drama.
Laurel’s TV Picks - GRIDS - Fall 2007
neato Fridays:
7c Men in Trees [abc]
8c Moonlight Jason Dohring [cbs] & Nashville cbs page says reality docudrama like Laguna Beach eh but it's Nashville so good for flipping to [fox]
9c Friday Night Lights [nbc]
neato Fridays:
7c Men in Trees [abc]
8c Moonlight Jason Dohring [cbs] & Nashville cbs page says reality docudrama like Laguna Beach eh but it's Nashville so good for flipping to [fox]
9c Friday Night Lights [nbc]
TWoP The Second Rob Thomas Interview (after first arc of Season 3) p10:
RT: And by the way, I want to make something clear -- I'm not backing off the story. I'm proud of these first nine episodes. I don't think there's any falloff. In any season, there are episodes I adore, and episodes that I don't adore, and episodes that I dislike, but I think our batting average is as strong or stronger than ever. I'm remarkably proud of this season. Our worst episodes are still, to me, Season 1. That season has been deified in this strange way. The thing I will give Season 1 is that the big mysteries worked better. But episode by episode, I like our batting average better than ever.
CB: Yeah, I really thought these last four were awesome.
RT: Veronica, in my mind, can't win; every week, she pours herself into helping someone out, devotes all of her energy, and people complain about her meanness.
.. I think that Veronica hasn't changed from Season 1, and certainly hasn't grown any meaner. It's like she keeps all the things that I think make her interesting. I think there are forty other network shows if you want a female lead who's a sweet nice choice, but people fell in love with Veronica when she was flawed and made bad choices and was vindictive and snarky and tough and unforgiving, and she continues to have problems with all those issues.
RT: I have no idea what the fans think of the Logan/Veronica journey this season. I mean, I kind of have it vaguely mapped out in my head. The thing that I've said is that it's going to be a rocky ride -- I want it to feel like the real world. I want it to feel like...[with] somebody you're incredibly drawn to, there are ups and downs, esp with two characters that are so tough on themselves and tough on each other, they're kindred in so many ways, but are also volatile. I mean, I'm enjoying it. It will continue to be bumpy -- I think it would be a boring show and hard to believe if we played a fairy-tale romance, and yet I think it would cheat people who see the attraction, the chemistry between the two, if we didn't pay it off at times. So that's kind of my theory going into it, at least.
CB: I've actually liked the Logan/Veronica relationship this season. I knew it was unlikely to last, but they've had some nice functional moments.
RT: Yeah, and I could easily see...the winds could change, if we go five seasons. In my mind, is there a epic journey for these two characters? Do I feel, personally, that they have a future in store? Yes, unless something comes along...that isn't set in stone, but I recognize, watching the two of them on screen, that they're good together, and they are certainly written in a way in which, if they could ever solve their dilemmas and their hang-ups, you could see them being an amazing couple.
--At this point, Rob and I discuss the gray morality and the ins and outs of certain upcoming plotlines. I'm not at liberty to reveal them until they've aired, but it's really good stuff, so I will make that part of the interview available in a future recap.--
RT: When we have a B-story serial killer [e-string strangler], with girls in peril, tackling the killer...I think those should be special occasions. I don't think we can do that in our standard B stories; at least with our A stories we've built to it. I don't regret the action-thriller sequences in "Spit And Eggs" because I think we earned them.
CB: Let's talk about Keith for a minute. It feels like his plotlines haven't really been integrated into what everyone else is doing. However, since he and the Dean had become friends, are we going to see him pulled in?
RT: Yeah, I'll say that Keith, in this middle mystery, is going to feel much more involved. The rape mystery was a Veronica mystery, and Keith didn't have a part in that. Who killed Dean O'Dell is intentionally a Veronica/Keith mystery -- in every episode, you see both of them working on that case.
..we didn't find out about [the episode order being only twenty as opposed to twenty-two] until we had only three episodes left in the Dean O'Dell mystery, and it forced us to do all that storytelling in two. We had to drop some Dean O'Dell beats that I wanted to play. There's this one scene that, certainly, I can explain away, but I try to be good about paying off things that are brought up. Well, I should rephrase that -- I don't pay off red herrings, but I try to pay off the things that actually do lead to the end result. We'll shine a spotlight on a character's situation and raise the possibility that he did it, but if he didn't, I don't go back and tell the rest of his story. We did set up this one thing in the middle mystery that I wasn't able to pay off, because I lost an episode.
CB: So as I understand it, before the decision was made to bring back Veronica Mars for a third season, you were offered the showrunning position on Friday Night Lights. That must have been very gratifying. Were you tempted to take it?
RT: Very. I really liked the pilot, and it was set in my hometown of Austin. NBC told me that if I accepted, they would definitely pick it up. I was very torn, and I went to the network and asked if they could guarantee that Veronica Mars was going to be renewed. They said they couldn't, but that they could tell me that if I left, it definitely wouldn't come back. Renewal felt to me about a 70% shot, so Friday Night Lights was the bird in hand, and if it had been some show I was only moderately interested in or I didn't think was cool...I really loved the way it looked. I haven't watched it all year, kinda because it's a little painful, but I've been TiVoing it, and I finally watched a couple of episodes. I think it's interesting the way it's shot and the way it's acted, so that's a regret, but Jason Katims is doing a great job with it.
and now he is joining FNL as a writer, right? I think I read. so that's good, he did not miss out on working on it.
7/28 hmmm where did I (think that I had) read that? more recently saw sth about him signed on then off of Miss/Guided and writer said that hopes he fins a show that fits him better. so it does not sound like he is onboard with frinilights.
yes, here: Rob Thomas leaves Miss/Guided - TV Squad
RT: And by the way, I want to make something clear -- I'm not backing off the story. I'm proud of these first nine episodes. I don't think there's any falloff. In any season, there are episodes I adore, and episodes that I don't adore, and episodes that I dislike, but I think our batting average is as strong or stronger than ever. I'm remarkably proud of this season. Our worst episodes are still, to me, Season 1. That season has been deified in this strange way. The thing I will give Season 1 is that the big mysteries worked better. But episode by episode, I like our batting average better than ever.
CB: Yeah, I really thought these last four were awesome.
RT: Veronica, in my mind, can't win; every week, she pours herself into helping someone out, devotes all of her energy, and people complain about her meanness.
.. I think that Veronica hasn't changed from Season 1, and certainly hasn't grown any meaner. It's like she keeps all the things that I think make her interesting. I think there are forty other network shows if you want a female lead who's a sweet nice choice, but people fell in love with Veronica when she was flawed and made bad choices and was vindictive and snarky and tough and unforgiving, and she continues to have problems with all those issues.
RT: I have no idea what the fans think of the Logan/Veronica journey this season. I mean, I kind of have it vaguely mapped out in my head. The thing that I've said is that it's going to be a rocky ride -- I want it to feel like the real world. I want it to feel like...[with] somebody you're incredibly drawn to, there are ups and downs, esp with two characters that are so tough on themselves and tough on each other, they're kindred in so many ways, but are also volatile. I mean, I'm enjoying it. It will continue to be bumpy -- I think it would be a boring show and hard to believe if we played a fairy-tale romance, and yet I think it would cheat people who see the attraction, the chemistry between the two, if we didn't pay it off at times. So that's kind of my theory going into it, at least.
CB: I've actually liked the Logan/Veronica relationship this season. I knew it was unlikely to last, but they've had some nice functional moments.
RT: Yeah, and I could easily see...the winds could change, if we go five seasons. In my mind, is there a epic journey for these two characters? Do I feel, personally, that they have a future in store? Yes, unless something comes along...that isn't set in stone, but I recognize, watching the two of them on screen, that they're good together, and they are certainly written in a way in which, if they could ever solve their dilemmas and their hang-ups, you could see them being an amazing couple.
--At this point, Rob and I discuss the gray morality and the ins and outs of certain upcoming plotlines. I'm not at liberty to reveal them until they've aired, but it's really good stuff, so I will make that part of the interview available in a future recap.--
RT: When we have a B-story serial killer [e-string strangler], with girls in peril, tackling the killer...I think those should be special occasions. I don't think we can do that in our standard B stories; at least with our A stories we've built to it. I don't regret the action-thriller sequences in "Spit And Eggs" because I think we earned them.
CB: Let's talk about Keith for a minute. It feels like his plotlines haven't really been integrated into what everyone else is doing. However, since he and the Dean had become friends, are we going to see him pulled in?
RT: Yeah, I'll say that Keith, in this middle mystery, is going to feel much more involved. The rape mystery was a Veronica mystery, and Keith didn't have a part in that. Who killed Dean O'Dell is intentionally a Veronica/Keith mystery -- in every episode, you see both of them working on that case.
..we didn't find out about [the episode order being only twenty as opposed to twenty-two] until we had only three episodes left in the Dean O'Dell mystery, and it forced us to do all that storytelling in two. We had to drop some Dean O'Dell beats that I wanted to play. There's this one scene that, certainly, I can explain away, but I try to be good about paying off things that are brought up. Well, I should rephrase that -- I don't pay off red herrings, but I try to pay off the things that actually do lead to the end result. We'll shine a spotlight on a character's situation and raise the possibility that he did it, but if he didn't, I don't go back and tell the rest of his story. We did set up this one thing in the middle mystery that I wasn't able to pay off, because I lost an episode.
CB: So as I understand it, before the decision was made to bring back Veronica Mars for a third season, you were offered the showrunning position on Friday Night Lights. That must have been very gratifying. Were you tempted to take it?
RT: Very. I really liked the pilot, and it was set in my hometown of Austin. NBC told me that if I accepted, they would definitely pick it up. I was very torn, and I went to the network and asked if they could guarantee that Veronica Mars was going to be renewed. They said they couldn't, but that they could tell me that if I left, it definitely wouldn't come back. Renewal felt to me about a 70% shot, so Friday Night Lights was the bird in hand, and if it had been some show I was only moderately interested in or I didn't think was cool...I really loved the way it looked. I haven't watched it all year, kinda because it's a little painful, but I've been TiVoing it, and I finally watched a couple of episodes. I think it's interesting the way it's shot and the way it's acted, so that's a regret, but Jason Katims is doing a great job with it.
and now he is joining FNL as a writer, right? I think I read. so that's good, he did not miss out on working on it.
7/28 hmmm where did I (think that I had) read that? more recently saw sth about him signed on then off of Miss/Guided and writer said that hopes he fins a show that fits him better. so it does not sound like he is onboard with frinilights.
yes, here: Rob Thomas leaves Miss/Guided - TV Squad
Friday, July 13, 2007
.. edward norton jason dohring - ggl ..
tv.com: I think Jason Dohring is a very talented actor. Physically he reminds me strongly of a young Edward Norton. rg said this and I saw it distinctly watching Amer History X last nite on tv. (I'd seen the latter part of it before ... 4/27 dlcs.(
mcgees.org - Jason Dohring: Keep an eye on the actor Jason Dohring. I just saw him in an otherwise poor episode of “Cold Case” and I was very impressed. He had the same intensity that Edward Norton displayed the first time I saw him. He’s not lucky enough to have landed the same choice roles, at least not yet, but with any luck he’ll get a chance to shine in a proper picture, as I’m not about to try to watch the vehicular stalker flick Black Cadillac (OK, I await my brother in law’s response of “No, it was really good, rent it!”)
tv.com: I think Jason Dohring is a very talented actor. Physically he reminds me strongly of a young Edward Norton. rg said this and I saw it distinctly watching Amer History X last nite on tv. (I'd seen the latter part of it before ... 4/27 dlcs.(
mcgees.org - Jason Dohring: Keep an eye on the actor Jason Dohring. I just saw him in an otherwise poor episode of “Cold Case” and I was very impressed. He had the same intensity that Edward Norton displayed the first time I saw him. He’s not lucky enough to have landed the same choice roles, at least not yet, but with any luck he’ll get a chance to shine in a proper picture, as I’m not about to try to watch the vehicular stalker flick Black Cadillac (OK, I await my brother in law’s response of “No, it was really good, rent it!”)
Jason Dohring: Yes, He's Married. - TWoP Forums p42:
-I know it's said so often that it's lost all meaning, but he really does have an Ed Norton kind of quality to me. Ed Norton is also not traditionally attractive and never plays romantic leads (except sort of in Keeping the Faith). I could totally see Jason taking a Primal Fear like supporting role and busting out like Norton did. It just takes time to find those kinds of parts and Jason seems really bent on taking his time now that he is working.
-I think Ed Norton has that same affect, you’re not immediately taken away by him, but over time, through the course of a movie, or through the experiencing of multiple movies you realize how brilliant he is and then it’s, “wow, must see every Ed Norton movie.” yes.
-we know JD looks and acts like Edward Norton, but look at American History X. Does JD stand up to the talent of Edward Norton? (I don't know.) Edward Norton takes acting to another realm. JD has alot of his characteristics, but does he have that incredible talent? I would love to hear yes, since my gut tells me yes, but I don't know. He's come from a life of priviledge. I think that stands against him as far as attaining all he can from his god-given talents. I hope this generates some good discussion as to what it would take for JD to break through as a true star--maybe a phenomenon. I think he has a better chance than KB Kristen Brooks (KB is very well- more conventional, although gifted ). One thing I totally believe: in order for JD to break through, he needs to get himself out there--and he needs to break free of his family (well, his family's money). huh.
- Ok, what Edward Norton movies do you guys recommend? I would like to study this comparison to JD..
- American History X. He's phenomenal. Also, The People vs. Larry Flyndt. He plays an ordinary guy, but again, phenomenal.
Jason Dohring: Yes, He's Married. - TWoP Forums p10:
-after re-watching Primal Fear the other night, I really see so many similarities between JD and my equally beloved Edward Norton. They both have these skyrocket-high levels of charisma, intensity and, of course, talent that's so (sadly!) rare.
-In fact I think that the scene in CWCD 1.2 with Chardo's head against the curb is a homage to American History X. int.
-I also think he is similar to Norton in talent and charisma, and I just hope he'll get at least half the amount of brilliant projects Norton got in his career.
-I know it's said so often that it's lost all meaning, but he really does have an Ed Norton kind of quality to me. Ed Norton is also not traditionally attractive and never plays romantic leads (except sort of in Keeping the Faith). I could totally see Jason taking a Primal Fear like supporting role and busting out like Norton did. It just takes time to find those kinds of parts and Jason seems really bent on taking his time now that he is working.
-I think Ed Norton has that same affect, you’re not immediately taken away by him, but over time, through the course of a movie, or through the experiencing of multiple movies you realize how brilliant he is and then it’s, “wow, must see every Ed Norton movie.” yes.
-we know JD looks and acts like Edward Norton, but look at American History X. Does JD stand up to the talent of Edward Norton? (I don't know.) Edward Norton takes acting to another realm. JD has alot of his characteristics, but does he have that incredible talent? I would love to hear yes, since my gut tells me yes, but I don't know. He's come from a life of priviledge. I think that stands against him as far as attaining all he can from his god-given talents. I hope this generates some good discussion as to what it would take for JD to break through as a true star--maybe a phenomenon. I think he has a better chance than KB Kristen Brooks (KB is very well- more conventional, although gifted ). One thing I totally believe: in order for JD to break through, he needs to get himself out there--and he needs to break free of his family (well, his family's money). huh.
- Ok, what Edward Norton movies do you guys recommend? I would like to study this comparison to JD..
- American History X. He's phenomenal. Also, The People vs. Larry Flyndt. He plays an ordinary guy, but again, phenomenal.
Jason Dohring: Yes, He's Married. - TWoP Forums p10:
-after re-watching Primal Fear the other night, I really see so many similarities between JD and my equally beloved Edward Norton. They both have these skyrocket-high levels of charisma, intensity and, of course, talent that's so (sadly!) rare.
-In fact I think that the scene in CWCD 1.2 with Chardo's head against the curb is a homage to American History X. int.
-I also think he is similar to Norton in talent and charisma, and I just hope he'll get at least half the amount of brilliant projects Norton got in his career.
... edward norton method - Google Search ...
Unveiled: the Real Edward Norton: Like all Method-trained actors, Norton's onscreen presence is remarkable for its attention to detail, based as it is on extensive research and study.
Amazon.co.uk: The Score [2001]: Video: Robert De Niro,Edward Norton, Marlon Brando,Frank Oz:
-az rvw: In the heist thriller The Score director Frank Oz partners Robert De Niro with hotshot upstart Edward Norton and heavyweight legend Marlon Brando. De Niro plays a weary thief tempted by wily old associate Brando into, yes, one last job. You'd have to be determinedly grumpy not to get half a kick out of Brando, De Niro and Norton--more than holding his own--coolly bouncing off one another in a Method paradise.
-What the plot lacks in originality it more than makes for it with sheer class. The big heist is well set up and executed and it really is such a joy to watch old pros like Brando & De Niro together at last. However its Edward Norton's performance that almost steals the movie alternating between master thief and a clever masquerade as a mentally challenged cleaner to gain access to the Custom House. He proves beyond doubt that he's more than a match for the Method masters.
A comfortable way to spend a few hours watching great actors at work. The Score elevates itself above the normal run of the mill heist movie through sheer Method acting class.
The real international man of mystery - Times Online the 37-year-old Boston native and twice Oscar-nominated actor explaining the allure of his latest character creation, Eisenheim the magician, from The Illusionist:“As a person he is highly impenetrable,” Norton says. “But onstage he comes to life, and has this amazing presence.” He is describing himself. Only he doesn’t know it. For, offstage, here in a quiet London hotel room, Norton is an elusive, unfathomable creature, a whipsmart Yale graduate and polymath ..
An Oscar nomination for Primal Fear and a string of intense roles established Norton’s reputation as a Method perfectionist, putting on 30lb of muscular bulk for American History X (1998) and losing it all for Fight Club (1999).
-Edward Norton is, without a doubt, the most talented actor to liven the cinematic scene in a long time. His performances bring such an intensity that one is nudged into remembering other true actors, i.e., Bogart, Tracy, Peck.
Mr. Norton's use of the nonverbal (body language) to add a "quiet" emphasis to his spoken words is phenomenal. jason dohring. I recommend everyone relook at the scene from Kingdom of Heaven when Balian (Orlando Bloom) meets King Baldwin (Edward Norton) for the first time. Mr. Norton's body language is so powerful....the gloved, leperous hand lovingly touching the chess pieces, the tilt of the head, the blue eyes of his masked face showing the King's nature and feelings
-Will he direct again? "Keeping the Faith", I thought, was a solid effort, and Edward Norton does quite a good drunk scene. "I'm Irish. This stuff is like milk to me". It was a film that was all heart.
-I just come from see The painted veil. Is incredible the two faces acting. The best actor. Ee always makes me feel the story and today de History of China (a bit little).
And very inteligent. I'd wish to know him. naireh, Madrid, Spain
Unveiled: the Real Edward Norton: Like all Method-trained actors, Norton's onscreen presence is remarkable for its attention to detail, based as it is on extensive research and study.
Amazon.co.uk: The Score [2001]: Video: Robert De Niro,Edward Norton, Marlon Brando,Frank Oz:
-az rvw: In the heist thriller The Score director Frank Oz partners Robert De Niro with hotshot upstart Edward Norton and heavyweight legend Marlon Brando. De Niro plays a weary thief tempted by wily old associate Brando into, yes, one last job. You'd have to be determinedly grumpy not to get half a kick out of Brando, De Niro and Norton--more than holding his own--coolly bouncing off one another in a Method paradise.
-What the plot lacks in originality it more than makes for it with sheer class. The big heist is well set up and executed and it really is such a joy to watch old pros like Brando & De Niro together at last. However its Edward Norton's performance that almost steals the movie alternating between master thief and a clever masquerade as a mentally challenged cleaner to gain access to the Custom House. He proves beyond doubt that he's more than a match for the Method masters.
A comfortable way to spend a few hours watching great actors at work. The Score elevates itself above the normal run of the mill heist movie through sheer Method acting class.
The real international man of mystery - Times Online the 37-year-old Boston native and twice Oscar-nominated actor explaining the allure of his latest character creation, Eisenheim the magician, from The Illusionist:“As a person he is highly impenetrable,” Norton says. “But onstage he comes to life, and has this amazing presence.” He is describing himself. Only he doesn’t know it. For, offstage, here in a quiet London hotel room, Norton is an elusive, unfathomable creature, a whipsmart Yale graduate and polymath ..
An Oscar nomination for Primal Fear and a string of intense roles established Norton’s reputation as a Method perfectionist, putting on 30lb of muscular bulk for American History X (1998) and losing it all for Fight Club (1999).
Master of the Method: Edward Norton’s finest hours:
American History X (directed by Tony Kaye, 1998) Norton snagged his second Best Actor Oscar nomination (the first was for Primal Fear) as the beefed-up and heavily tattooed neo-Nazi Derek Vinyard in this potent exploration of American racism.
Fight Club (David Fincher, 2000) The press at the time was all about Brad, and his abs, and his uncapped teeth. But Fight Club would be nothing without Norton’s cleverly grounded deadpan narration and sympathetic physical turn as an Everyman on the brink of 21st-century insanity.
25th Hour ( pictured above) (Spike Lee, 2002) Lee’s impassioned love letter to an embattled post9/11 New York is buttressed by Norton’s performance as the convicted drug dealer Monty Brogan. His raging and expletive-filled five-minute monologue at the centre of the movie is astounding.
Down in the Valley (David Jacobson, 2005) The movie was 20 minutes too long, but Norton’s performance as a Californian sociopath who pretends to be a Mid-western ranch hand is one of contemporary American film’s finest turns. Worth it for his Taxi Driver riff alone.
The Painted Veil (John Curran, 2007) Possibly his most punishingly restrained performance yet, as an uptight English bacteriologist fighting cholera in rural 1920s China. This forthcoming adaptation of the Somerset Maugham novel co-stars Naomi Watts as his long-suffering wife.
COMMENTS-Edward Norton is, without a doubt, the most talented actor to liven the cinematic scene in a long time. His performances bring such an intensity that one is nudged into remembering other true actors, i.e., Bogart, Tracy, Peck.
Mr. Norton's use of the nonverbal (body language) to add a "quiet" emphasis to his spoken words is phenomenal. jason dohring. I recommend everyone relook at the scene from Kingdom of Heaven when Balian (Orlando Bloom) meets King Baldwin (Edward Norton) for the first time. Mr. Norton's body language is so powerful....the gloved, leperous hand lovingly touching the chess pieces, the tilt of the head, the blue eyes of his masked face showing the King's nature and feelings
-Will he direct again? "Keeping the Faith", I thought, was a solid effort, and Edward Norton does quite a good drunk scene. "I'm Irish. This stuff is like milk to me". It was a film that was all heart.
-I just come from see The painted veil. Is incredible the two faces acting. The best actor. Ee always makes me feel the story and today de History of China (a bit little).
And very inteligent. I'd wish to know him. naireh, Madrid, Spain
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