https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/3xv16u/mtf_with_just_a_few_questions/cy86a99
Eclectic58MiddleAged Malcontent 2 points
First
of all, we don't dislike people, in this case, people who identify as
trans.
What we dislike and disagree with is the trans philosophy; the
idea that it's possible to be one sex born into the "wrong" body of the
other and that it's possible to change one's sex.
I personally believe
that trans people are the biggest victims of the gender system and the
trans philosophy - the idea that you have to change yourself to be
yourself.
We believe it's biologically impossible to change your sex
and we don't believe that the brain is a sexed organ,
but we also
believe that if {though} you can't become a woman, you can certainly become a
different kind of man, other than what the stereotypes (what some call
"gender" or "masculinity" and "femininity") tell you that you "should"
be. //yes!
To be clear, we believe that sex is biological and what is male or
female, man or woman.
"Gender" on the other hand, is an artificial
social construct that comprises the stereotyped notions of "masculinity"
and "femininity", in regards to personality traits, personal expression
and style, and interests.
Gender differs by culture and has not been
consistent throughout history, while sex has always been the same in
every culture and throughout history.
So, "gender" is neither innate
nor necessary to being a man or woman; it's just window dressing
traditionally meant to call attention to and emphasize one's sex; it
doesn't determine what it is in the first place. //yes v good, distinctions well articulated. and had not seen put clearly: gender traditionally meant to call attn to sex.
https://www.reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/comments/3xv16u/mtf_with_just_a_few_questions/cy81xo6
-Pyrgomache_AmazonAspiring She-Hulk:
I don't know if I am a minority opinion here, but I have no problem with
trans women. I've known a few trans women (and trans men) and all of
them have been awesome people to me. //word.//
My issue with gender identity politics doesn't really have to do with individuals. My issue is with cultural sexism. //as seems appropr! why take issue with (*against*) individuals//
...In sum, I realized that all the reasons I wanted to be male were
actually due to me needing feminism, or things I can change as a woman,
or things I couldn't even change with a sex change that I need to make
peace with.
So, when I see MTF folks, I want to ask: why do you want to be a
woman? Why do you hate your body? Are you wanting to align with sexist
stereotypes?
If you want to wear a dress and makeup and be nurturing, you can
do that as a man.
You need feminism and the abolition of gender, not a
sex change. /yes. though~ seems understandable to me might be worth it to live more or less as a woman. given social reality at present.// No need to be a woman for that. Fuck with the gender binary
and just be you. /yes. if you are up to that. //
If you want to change your body because it feels wrong, and it is
causing you distress, then you need to talk to a doctor. Sex
reassignment might be right for you if you are dysphoric.
Just realize
you have benefitted from male privilege before you were perceived as
female by others and don't silence other women when they talk about
their own womanhood.
[And] please don't just conform to sexist notions
of what a woman is, and still remember, "Fuck gender, fuck what people
tell me to be, I'm just going to be me."
Either way, just do you! Do not let sexism hold you back from being gender nonconforming.
Thursday, December 24, 2015
humane and positive critique of gender
ANNOUNCEMENT {No more threads re:} "I am a trans woman! Ask me anything"
We get several posts a week from MtTs asking for hand holding on basic principles of gender critical feminism, and who magnanimously offer...
reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/
//// this cmmt v reasonable:
-dotinaline: these are people (of all sorts of bodies and relationships to them) who suffer from a lot of serious traumas from patriarchy, our common enemy.
[They] deserve a baseline level of respect, rather than baiting and ideological purity.
I hate to say it, but I've seen some of the same behavior in this sub from some users that I've seen in trans-activist circles: pedantry, willful misunderstanding, unnecessary obviously gleeful language used with the intention of causing distress.
And then people backed in a corner act out when they sense the hostility. I don't think it's cool that they acted out, but I feel that it's pretty unfair to act like they weren't cornered. We all know how people get defensive, so why put them in that position?
You could be turning away the people who need to hear dissenting conversation and alternative viewpoints the most.
I also feel that it's pretty obvious that the trans and detransitioned folks who fit this description are already aware of /asktransgender and are finding themselves booted for daring to question anything. Part of the reason many of us are here are because we noticed the very low tolerance in popular trans activism, so I fail to see why we'd seek to build on a similar model.
I understand that people need a place to vent and to deal with the pain, the frustration, abuse, and gas-lighting that happens to women, by men and transgender people.
But I also feel like gender-critical feminism is the best place to start when it comes to building a humane and positive counter-gender movement, and that may be what people seek when they come here. And that isn't the current direction of some of the conversations here.
-flowirin Post-OP TGERF /:)/ : it is important to remember that we are all humans, all people. Its not OK to pile in on people, attempt to verbally beat them down. Sure, get on top of the trolls, but the open, thinking people?
// hm now this cntrpnt is ~ not nice, but ok her pnt is not to hv to be nice:
-FemMenace In a House Divided: Typically, man comes into gender critical conversation, proclaiming to be a woman. [For us to be] stating he is a man is not an attack. ... If they want women catering to their anti-science, insulting definitions of womanhood, or a giant hugbox, that's what the rest of the internet is for. //
--dotonaline: My goal is definitely not "converts" as much as I'd ideally like there to be a visible, viable, and good-spirited critique of gender available for everyone. I can appreciate the desire for women to have the freedom to say stuff that isn't all cuddles and kisses.
But it [is sad] that the material consequences ARE young people who see this sort of behavior and are like "yep, everyone was right about radfems all along, they're all mean and shit" and go on to deprive themselves of a meaningful alternative to innate gender. You can't just tell them they're wrong for not tolerating it when they're already gone. In a very real sense, I see that as failing them.
I think it's important for us to distinguish ourselves as a different way of thinking, so that people don't feel fucking trapped in understanding themselves with the options of
"gender is real, and you're wrong and disgusting"
or
"gender is real, bodies can be wrong*, anything anyone says about themselves is right*, female people who question it are evil for describing their reality." etc. /good well put * y y / Like, those are the 2 most prevalent and available modes people have to conceive of themselves.
I think there could be immense power and relief for a LOT of people if there was a strong culture of "gender is bullshit" and address the wide variety of patriarchal and mental health reasons things are the way we are. We have no culture to support dysphoric people (and MANY people are dysphoric, and it's only increasing since there's been so much more visibility for trans folk) aside from the popular trans narrative. {Gender is real, innate; you may have been born in the wrong body; you are what you feel like and can/shld thrfr identify as.} The popular trans narrative may have a lot of initial appeal, but it leaves a lot of people stranded with something that is drastic and might not work at all to fix the issues that led them to dysphoria in the first place. /yes!
We get several posts a week from MtTs asking for hand holding on basic principles of gender critical feminism, and who magnanimously offer...
reddit.com/r/GenderCritical/
//// this cmmt v reasonable:
-dotinaline: these are people (of all sorts of bodies and relationships to them) who suffer from a lot of serious traumas from patriarchy, our common enemy.
[They] deserve a baseline level of respect, rather than baiting and ideological purity.
I hate to say it, but I've seen some of the same behavior in this sub from some users that I've seen in trans-activist circles: pedantry, willful misunderstanding, unnecessary obviously gleeful language used with the intention of causing distress.
And then people backed in a corner act out when they sense the hostility. I don't think it's cool that they acted out, but I feel that it's pretty unfair to act like they weren't cornered. We all know how people get defensive, so why put them in that position?
You could be turning away the people who need to hear dissenting conversation and alternative viewpoints the most.
I also feel that it's pretty obvious that the trans and detransitioned folks who fit this description are already aware of /asktransgender and are finding themselves booted for daring to question anything. Part of the reason many of us are here are because we noticed the very low tolerance in popular trans activism, so I fail to see why we'd seek to build on a similar model.
I understand that people need a place to vent and to deal with the pain, the frustration, abuse, and gas-lighting that happens to women, by men and transgender people.
But I also feel like gender-critical feminism is the best place to start when it comes to building a humane and positive counter-gender movement, and that may be what people seek when they come here. And that isn't the current direction of some of the conversations here.
-flowirin Post-OP TGERF /:)/ : it is important to remember that we are all humans, all people. Its not OK to pile in on people, attempt to verbally beat them down. Sure, get on top of the trolls, but the open, thinking people?
// hm now this cntrpnt is ~ not nice, but ok her pnt is not to hv to be nice:
-FemMenace In a House Divided: Typically, man comes into gender critical conversation, proclaiming to be a woman. [For us to be] stating he is a man is not an attack. ... If they want women catering to their anti-science, insulting definitions of womanhood, or a giant hugbox, that's what the rest of the internet is for. //
--dotonaline: My goal is definitely not "converts" as much as I'd ideally like there to be a visible, viable, and good-spirited critique of gender available for everyone. I can appreciate the desire for women to have the freedom to say stuff that isn't all cuddles and kisses.
But it [is sad] that the material consequences ARE young people who see this sort of behavior and are like "yep, everyone was right about radfems all along, they're all mean and shit" and go on to deprive themselves of a meaningful alternative to innate gender. You can't just tell them they're wrong for not tolerating it when they're already gone. In a very real sense, I see that as failing them.
I think it's important for us to distinguish ourselves as a different way of thinking, so that people don't feel fucking trapped in understanding themselves with the options of
"gender is real, and you're wrong and disgusting"
or
"gender is real, bodies can be wrong*, anything anyone says about themselves is right*, female people who question it are evil for describing their reality." etc. /good well put * y y / Like, those are the 2 most prevalent and available modes people have to conceive of themselves.
I think there could be immense power and relief for a LOT of people if there was a strong culture of "gender is bullshit" and address the wide variety of patriarchal and mental health reasons things are the way we are. We have no culture to support dysphoric people (and MANY people are dysphoric, and it's only increasing since there's been so much more visibility for trans folk) aside from the popular trans narrative. {Gender is real, innate; you may have been born in the wrong body; you are what you feel like and can/shld thrfr identify as.} The popular trans narrative may have a lot of initial appeal, but it leaves a lot of people stranded with something that is drastic and might not work at all to fix the issues that led them to dysphoria in the first place. /yes!
Friday, December 18, 2015
reconciling the goals of gender abolition {gender critical radical feminism} with the reality of the gendered world we are currently living in.
Transparent (2014) s02e09 Episode Script | SS
"Transparent" Man on the Land (TV Episode 2015) - IMDb
Michigan Womyn's Music Festival and transgender people - Wkp |
. . . .Lisa Vogel, fbk May2014: Ours is a fundamental and respectful feminist statement about who this gathering is intended for, and if some cannot hear this without translating that into a “policy”, “ban” or a “prohibition”, this speaks to a deep-seated failure to think outside of structures of control that inform and guide the patriarchal world. Trans womyn and transmen have always attended this gathering. Some attend wanting to change the intention, while others feel the intention includes them. /ok./ Deciding how the festival’s intention applies to each person is not what we’re about. Defining the intention of the gathering for ourselves is vital. /fair enough./ .. Aug14: We believe that support for womyn-born-female space is not at odds with standing with and for the transgender community.
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lisa vogel michfest - Google Search
Everyone wants to talk about MichFest >> The Thang Blog
This Year's Michigan Womyn's Music Festival Will Be the Last | Advocate.com
Op-ed: Michfest's Founder Chose to Shut Down Rather Than Change With the Times | Advocate.com
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* int// New Narratives 2014: Reframing the conversation | new directions in trans activism //via wkp Michfest & transgender: L Vogel: the statements calling for the boycott of the MWMF neither speak for all transgender womyn nor incl all of their voices, with regard to their support of the Festival’s intention of womyn-born-female space, for ex, the New Narratives Conference .. //
. . . .New Narratives 2014 is a trans woman-only discussion about the ways in which current trans theory harms trans women, and reconciling the goals of gender abolition {radical feminism} with the reality of the gendered world we are currently living in.
. . . . /here, hmm: cut the crap with “sex is socially constructed” and “female penis” arguments. .. How do we reduce violence against trans women of color, especially trans women of color who do sex work? How can we support trans women and trans teens who are homeless? .. We will still insist upon the ground rule that solutions to the problems of trans women cannot come at the expense of the rights of women born female. / ok well said.
The concept for this workshop came out of a conversation about attending Radfems Respond, which takes place in Portland the same weekend as our event. We plan to attend the Saturday portion of Radfems Respond, which is open to everyone. The Sunday portion of Radfems Respond is for women born female only. The thought occurred to all three of us: we’ll be in Portland anyway, so shouldn’t we use Sunday to have some tough conversations among ourselves, as trans women?
New Narratives is meant to send the explicit message that we respect female-only spaces. [and] to communicate our understanding that trans women as a community are directly impacted by some issues affecting females (and that it makes sense for the two communities to work together on these), but that there are also many issues unique to each group.
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Radical Feminism FAQ | BEND IT TIL IT BREAKS {Rachel Ivy} | Men commit 95 percent of the violent crime and 98 percent of the sexual crime in the US. Men need to confront other men. They need to stop each other from committing violence, both against men—in their endless wars, for instance—and against women.
This is what I said at Radfems Respond | BEND IT TIL IT BREAKS | Proponents of the liberal [vs radical] definition of gender believe that gender is something we are born with /seems nuts? really think this? consider/, and if a person’s inborn gender doesn’t match up with the accepted stereotypes for the body we’re born with, then it means that that person was born in the wrong body /nuts, rt?/. This definition of gender is being used to tell children, toddlers, that they were born in the wrong body if they don’t conform to gender. This is an oppressive form of biological essentialism. The only groups of people whom I’ve heard defend gender as a natural, inevitable quality that we’re born with, other than gender liberals who call themselves progressive, are men’s rights activists and conservative religious fundamentalists.
//see also// Lierre Keith at Radfems Respond | bendittilitbreaks // radical feminist & radical environmentalist lierre keith - Ggl here see also Derrick Jensen ( remember fr seattle)
myths & thetruthaboutthemichiganfestival | ..There are many trans women & allies who do not feel that Michigan's intention is transphobic.* See article on the NewStatesman website* > Miranda Yardley re Newsnight
Kellie Maloney, Newsnight, the debate the transgender community refused to have - by Miranda Yardley | NewStatesman | I was invited to debate fr the point of view of a trans woman who supports *a gender critical approach* informed by feminism. The gender critical approach establishes that "being a woman" is not a matter of an individual’s identity. Someone who is gender critical recognises that trans women are biologically male (and trans men are biologically female). ..This feminist approach views gender essentialism as the basis of women’s oppression. These questions divide trans activists and radical feminists. What are the implications for women of positing a "female brain"? Should someone be accepted as a woman just because they say they are? ///yes accepted as making valid choice to live as a woman, to find a better fit w female gender (ie stereotypes), given that we live in a world that is gendered. but no, not as indistinct from cis women. not as having a right that is denied if not explicitly included in 'women born women' groups. ///
see also:
ommadusk.tumblr.com/tagged/transactivism | personal blog of transsexual Miranda Yardley
MirandaYardley.com | Blog of Gender Critical Transsexual Miranda Yardley > Cosmopolitan interview
MirandaYardley | Matchwomen’s Festival Talk: It is wrong //unhelpful// to insist feminism centre transwomen, this forces the oppressed majority to centre the interests of part of the male oppressor class; women neither oppress nor have privilege by way of gender over trans people.
i'm scared too | uglyuglytruths.tumblr.com/tagged/trans+ideology
- The Trans Women Who Say That Trans Women Aren’t Women
* TRANSAVANT - "Trans women are women" is a lie that is as... | I am a Gender Non Conforming Male or Transwoman if you prefer
"Trans women are women" is a lie that is as dangerous to transwomen as it is to women. ..It’s a lie that sets us up to be triggered every time we are called he, or “guys” or somebody dares to suggest that we have male biology. //y. valid choice to live as woman, to have found oneself with characteristics associated with female gender and thus better able to live as a woman, without this fragile (untenable-seeming) conception of being innately a woman, born in wrong body.//
Our personality, our choices, our empathies and our identities are worthy even if they are on the wrong /other/ side of the line /from expected stereotype-gender/. The line is made up. It’s not the natural order. Men can be anything. Women can be anything. /y!!//
Postscript: I should also add that we have to live, survive and navigate our way in a gendered world and as such I support transition. I support the need to live *as* women as long as we understand and respect our differences. I also support medicalised treatment including surgery to deal with true dysphoria. Whether dysphoria is innate or a result of childhood experiences is irrelevant to the fact that it exists and needs to be treated compassionately. //as also any mental anguish, illness, suffering.//
* cf New Narratives 2014 "a discussion about the ways in which current trans theory harms trans women, and reconciling the goals of gender abolition {radical feminism} with the reality of the gendered world we are currently living in."
* TRANSAVANT p2 //I find this all sincere and thoughtful.
> Gender critical trans women: The apostates of the trans rights movement | Slate | by Michelle Goldberg (same as Nyr article) |
To the mainstream trans rights movement, womanhood (or manhood) is a matter of self-perception.
To radical feminists, it’s a material condition.
Radical feminists believe women are a subordinate social class, oppressed due to their biology, and that there’s nothing innate about femininity.
They think you can’t have a woman’s brain in a man’s body because there’s no such thing as a “woman’s brain".
They see a difference between living as a woman {experiencing, in a social gendered world, more recognition as a woman} and being one {= having found oneself to have (be) a female body}.
>> The Dispute Between Radical Feminism and Transgenderism | The New Yorker | by Michelle Goldberg //int Miranda Yardley and writer of Transavant met & started dating :)
> REAL for women | links:
--You Can’t ‘feel’ race, but can you ‘feel’ female? On Rachel Dolezal, Caitlyn Jenner, and unspeakable questions <<< y why is it dffrnt? may be a good answer, pointing out how the comparison is inappropriate, unhelpful. I'd like to hear that articulated. (ask km.)
--Men Defining Rape: A History
> The New Backlash <<<
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"Transparent" Man on the Land (TV Episode 2015) - IMDb
Michigan Womyn's Music Festival and transgender people - Wkp |
. . . .Lisa Vogel, fbk May2014: Ours is a fundamental and respectful feminist statement about who this gathering is intended for, and if some cannot hear this without translating that into a “policy”, “ban” or a “prohibition”, this speaks to a deep-seated failure to think outside of structures of control that inform and guide the patriarchal world. Trans womyn and transmen have always attended this gathering. Some attend wanting to change the intention, while others feel the intention includes them. /ok./ Deciding how the festival’s intention applies to each person is not what we’re about. Defining the intention of the gathering for ourselves is vital. /fair enough./ .. Aug14: We believe that support for womyn-born-female space is not at odds with standing with and for the transgender community.
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lisa vogel michfest - Google Search
Everyone wants to talk about MichFest >> The Thang Blog
This Year's Michigan Womyn's Music Festival Will Be the Last | Advocate.com
Op-ed: Michfest's Founder Chose to Shut Down Rather Than Change With the Times | Advocate.com
-
* int// New Narratives 2014: Reframing the conversation | new directions in trans activism //via wkp Michfest & transgender: L Vogel: the statements calling for the boycott of the MWMF neither speak for all transgender womyn nor incl all of their voices, with regard to their support of the Festival’s intention of womyn-born-female space, for ex, the New Narratives Conference .. //
. . . .New Narratives 2014 is a trans woman-only discussion about the ways in which current trans theory harms trans women, and reconciling the goals of gender abolition {radical feminism} with the reality of the gendered world we are currently living in.
. . . . /here, hmm: cut the crap with “sex is socially constructed” and “female penis” arguments. .. How do we reduce violence against trans women of color, especially trans women of color who do sex work? How can we support trans women and trans teens who are homeless? .. We will still insist upon the ground rule that solutions to the problems of trans women cannot come at the expense of the rights of women born female. / ok well said.
The concept for this workshop came out of a conversation about attending Radfems Respond, which takes place in Portland the same weekend as our event. We plan to attend the Saturday portion of Radfems Respond, which is open to everyone. The Sunday portion of Radfems Respond is for women born female only. The thought occurred to all three of us: we’ll be in Portland anyway, so shouldn’t we use Sunday to have some tough conversations among ourselves, as trans women?
New Narratives is meant to send the explicit message that we respect female-only spaces. [and] to communicate our understanding that trans women as a community are directly impacted by some issues affecting females (and that it makes sense for the two communities to work together on these), but that there are also many issues unique to each group.
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Radical Feminism FAQ | BEND IT TIL IT BREAKS {Rachel Ivy} | Men commit 95 percent of the violent crime and 98 percent of the sexual crime in the US. Men need to confront other men. They need to stop each other from committing violence, both against men—in their endless wars, for instance—and against women.
This is what I said at Radfems Respond | BEND IT TIL IT BREAKS | Proponents of the liberal [vs radical] definition of gender believe that gender is something we are born with /seems nuts? really think this? consider/, and if a person’s inborn gender doesn’t match up with the accepted stereotypes for the body we’re born with, then it means that that person was born in the wrong body /nuts, rt?/. This definition of gender is being used to tell children, toddlers, that they were born in the wrong body if they don’t conform to gender. This is an oppressive form of biological essentialism. The only groups of people whom I’ve heard defend gender as a natural, inevitable quality that we’re born with, other than gender liberals who call themselves progressive, are men’s rights activists and conservative religious fundamentalists.
//see also// Lierre Keith at Radfems Respond | bendittilitbreaks // radical feminist & radical environmentalist lierre keith - Ggl here see also Derrick Jensen ( remember fr seattle)
myths & thetruthaboutthemichiganfestival | ..There are many trans women & allies who do not feel that Michigan's intention is transphobic.* See article on the NewStatesman website* > Miranda Yardley re Newsnight
Kellie Maloney, Newsnight, the debate the transgender community refused to have - by Miranda Yardley | NewStatesman | I was invited to debate fr the point of view of a trans woman who supports *a gender critical approach* informed by feminism. The gender critical approach establishes that "being a woman" is not a matter of an individual’s identity. Someone who is gender critical recognises that trans women are biologically male (and trans men are biologically female). ..This feminist approach views gender essentialism as the basis of women’s oppression. These questions divide trans activists and radical feminists. What are the implications for women of positing a "female brain"? Should someone be accepted as a woman just because they say they are? ///yes accepted as making valid choice to live as a woman, to find a better fit w female gender (ie stereotypes), given that we live in a world that is gendered. but no, not as indistinct from cis women. not as having a right that is denied if not explicitly included in 'women born women' groups. ///
see also:
ommadusk.tumblr.com/tagged/transactivism | personal blog of transsexual Miranda Yardley
MirandaYardley.com | Blog of Gender Critical Transsexual Miranda Yardley > Cosmopolitan interview
MirandaYardley | Matchwomen’s Festival Talk: It is wrong //unhelpful// to insist feminism centre transwomen, this forces the oppressed majority to centre the interests of part of the male oppressor class; women neither oppress nor have privilege by way of gender over trans people.
i'm scared too | uglyuglytruths.tumblr.com/tagged/trans+ideology
- The Trans Women Who Say That Trans Women Aren’t Women
* TRANSAVANT - "Trans women are women" is a lie that is as... | I am a Gender Non Conforming Male or Transwoman if you prefer
"Trans women are women" is a lie that is as dangerous to transwomen as it is to women. ..It’s a lie that sets us up to be triggered every time we are called he, or “guys” or somebody dares to suggest that we have male biology. //y. valid choice to live as woman, to have found oneself with characteristics associated with female gender and thus better able to live as a woman, without this fragile (untenable-seeming) conception of being innately a woman, born in wrong body.//
Our personality, our choices, our empathies and our identities are worthy even if they are on the wrong /other/ side of the line /from expected stereotype-gender/. The line is made up. It’s not the natural order. Men can be anything. Women can be anything. /y!!//
Postscript: I should also add that we have to live, survive and navigate our way in a gendered world and as such I support transition. I support the need to live *as* women as long as we understand and respect our differences. I also support medicalised treatment including surgery to deal with true dysphoria. Whether dysphoria is innate or a result of childhood experiences is irrelevant to the fact that it exists and needs to be treated compassionately. //as also any mental anguish, illness, suffering.//
* cf New Narratives 2014 "a discussion about the ways in which current trans theory harms trans women, and reconciling the goals of gender abolition {radical feminism} with the reality of the gendered world we are currently living in."
* TRANSAVANT p2 //I find this all sincere and thoughtful.
> Gender critical trans women: The apostates of the trans rights movement | Slate | by Michelle Goldberg (same as Nyr article) |
To the mainstream trans rights movement, womanhood (or manhood) is a matter of self-perception.
To radical feminists, it’s a material condition.
Radical feminists believe women are a subordinate social class, oppressed due to their biology, and that there’s nothing innate about femininity.
They think you can’t have a woman’s brain in a man’s body because there’s no such thing as a “woman’s brain".
They see a difference between living as a woman {experiencing, in a social gendered world, more recognition as a woman} and being one {= having found oneself to have (be) a female body}.
>> The Dispute Between Radical Feminism and Transgenderism | The New Yorker | by Michelle Goldberg //int Miranda Yardley and writer of Transavant met & started dating :)
> REAL for women | links:
--You Can’t ‘feel’ race, but can you ‘feel’ female? On Rachel Dolezal, Caitlyn Jenner, and unspeakable questions <<< y why is it dffrnt? may be a good answer, pointing out how the comparison is inappropriate, unhelpful. I'd like to hear that articulated. (ask km.)
--Men Defining Rape: A History
> The New Backlash <<<
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Saturday, October 17, 2015
Nyr re Bernie Sanders
Ryan Lizza dismisses him?
see http://www.alternet.org/media/bernie-won-all-focus-groups-online-polls-so-why-media-saying-hillary-won-debate
his tweet: "Hilary Clinton won because all her opponents are terrible." // !
// I have prvsly liked Lizza? re Obama backgr chicago I think? maybe was not liking him for opinion but for well-written thorough on subject I wanted to read?
to read:
Oct 14, 2015 - re debate
Bernie Sanders’s Challenge to Clinton By Nicholas Lemann
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/bernie-sanderss-challenge-to-clinton
Hillary Clinton Wins Big in Vegas By John Cassidy /huh.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/hillary-clinton-wins-big-in-vegas
The Populist Prophet By Margaret Talbot
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-populist-prophet
The Populists By George Packer
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-populists
June 1, 2015
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bernie-sanders-a-man-with-a-cause
By John Cassidy
During a general election, almost all of Sanders’s supporters would vote for Clinton over Jeb Bush or any other Republican, but, right now, his presence in the primary gives them the opportunity to raise a rumpus, and to try to pull the party in a liberal direction. As the campaign progresses, it will be fascinating to see how far this effort succeeds. Already, Clinton has shifted her stance on immigration reform and the criminal-justice system. In two recent speeches, she pledged to extend President Obama’s initiatives aimed at undocumented workers and their families, and called for an end to mass incarceration.
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*** also:
April 30, 2015
Welcome to the 2016 Race, Bernie Sanders! By John Cassidy
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/welcome-to-the-2016-race-bernie-sanders
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Nov 17, 2014 issue
The Inevitability Trap By Ryan Lizza
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/17/inevitability-trap
Hillary Clinton and the drawbacks of being the front-runner.
read,
re Martin O'Malley: O’Malley, who is fifty-one, is one of several candidates who are considering running for the Democratic nomination. ... As a mayor and as a governor, he has been known for bringing a McKinsey-esque [wkp: an American multinational management consulting firm. conducts qualitative & quantitative analysis in order to evaluate management decisions. Eighty percent of the world's largest corporations are counseled by the firm, wh is considered the most prestigious management consultancy] reform to Baltimore and to Annapolis, instituting programs that use computer-aided metrics to judge government performance. In 2002, when he was mayor, Esquire called him one of the “best and brightest”; in 2009, as governor, he was honored by the magazine Governing as one of the “public officials of the year.” He applied his data-driven techniques to crime, and Baltimore’s murder rate plummeted to below three hundred per year for the first time in a decade.
re Webb ...
re Sanders ... He insisted that he would run a serious campaign against her, not just “an educational campaign” about his pet issues. “If I run, I certainly would run to win.”
see http://www.alternet.org/media/bernie-won-all-focus-groups-online-polls-so-why-media-saying-hillary-won-debate
his tweet: "Hilary Clinton won because all her opponents are terrible." // !
// I have prvsly liked Lizza? re Obama backgr chicago I think? maybe was not liking him for opinion but for well-written thorough on subject I wanted to read?
to read:
Oct 14, 2015 - re debate
Bernie Sanders’s Challenge to Clinton By Nicholas Lemann
http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/bernie-sanderss-challenge-to-clinton
Hillary Clinton Wins Big in Vegas By John Cassidy /huh.
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/hillary-clinton-wins-big-in-vegas
The Populist Prophet By Margaret Talbot
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/10/12/the-populist-prophet
The Populists By George Packer
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/09/07/the-populists
June 1, 2015
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/bernie-sanders-a-man-with-a-cause
By John Cassidy
During a general election, almost all of Sanders’s supporters would vote for Clinton over Jeb Bush or any other Republican, but, right now, his presence in the primary gives them the opportunity to raise a rumpus, and to try to pull the party in a liberal direction. As the campaign progresses, it will be fascinating to see how far this effort succeeds. Already, Clinton has shifted her stance on immigration reform and the criminal-justice system. In two recent speeches, she pledged to extend President Obama’s initiatives aimed at undocumented workers and their families, and called for an end to mass incarceration.
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Although each of these policy proposals
is important in its own right, neither would cost the Democratic Party’s
donor class /middle class to whom she pitches?/ any money.
The political test for Clinton will come in the
area of economic policy, where Sanders has put out a comprehensive and,
by American standards, quite radical manifesto.
It includes reforming the tax code to make the rich pay more, raising
the federal minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour, reforming trade
policies, breaking up the big banks, and turning Medicare into a public
health-care system for Americans of all ages.
When Sanders unveiled this plan last December, I pointed out [ ~ 12/14 Bernie Sanders’s Progressive Manifesto By John Cassidy http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/progressive-manifesto] that
it isn’t all at variance with the policies of the Clinton-Obama wing of
the party. Virtually all Democrats support raising the minimum wage and
eliminating some of the tax breaks for the rich, for instance.
In these
areas, and others, Clinton should be able to find common ground with
progressives. But the question remains: In positioning herself as a
battler for the middle class, how far to the left will she go?
-*** also:
April 30, 2015
Welcome to the 2016 Race, Bernie Sanders! By John Cassidy
http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/welcome-to-the-2016-race-bernie-sanders
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Nov 17, 2014 issue
The Inevitability Trap By Ryan Lizza
http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/11/17/inevitability-trap
Hillary Clinton and the drawbacks of being the front-runner.
read,
re Martin O'Malley: O’Malley, who is fifty-one, is one of several candidates who are considering running for the Democratic nomination. ... As a mayor and as a governor, he has been known for bringing a McKinsey-esque [wkp: an American multinational management consulting firm. conducts qualitative & quantitative analysis in order to evaluate management decisions. Eighty percent of the world's largest corporations are counseled by the firm, wh is considered the most prestigious management consultancy] reform to Baltimore and to Annapolis, instituting programs that use computer-aided metrics to judge government performance. In 2002, when he was mayor, Esquire called him one of the “best and brightest”; in 2009, as governor, he was honored by the magazine Governing as one of the “public officials of the year.” He applied his data-driven techniques to crime, and Baltimore’s murder rate plummeted to below three hundred per year for the first time in a decade.
re Webb ...
re Sanders ... He insisted that he would run a serious campaign against her, not just “an educational campaign” about his pet issues. “If I run, I certainly would run to win.”
Thursday, October 15, 2015
Hamilton Nolan: I thought Bernie Sanders said the most true and important things last night.
Did Hillary Clinton "Win" the Debate? -Hamilton Nolan * | That’s funny, because I also watched the whole debate, and I thought Bernie Sanders was by far the best candidate on stage. .. I thought Bernie Sanders said the most true and important things last night.
..amounts to a bit of opinioneering by me, in an effort to convince you that the candidate I believe is most correct won. There is nothing wrong with this. That is what opinion writing is for. But that is not what the mainstream political press would have you believe they are doing. They would have you believe that they are not just stating their opinions; they are giving you valuable informed analysis about what is objectively happening.
So where is evidence Clinton won? .. There were several large online polls, which are a fairly degraded form of data that can end up measuring enthusiasm of a candidate’s base more than actual total voter preference. But to the extent those online polls have any value, Bernie Sanders won 68% in the MSNBC.com poll; Bernie Sanders won 55% in the Daily Kos poll; Bernie Sanders won 54% in the Time.com poll; and Bernie Sanders overwhelmingly won CNN’s own Facebook poll, not that you would know it from what the pundits were saying on CNN itself. CNN’s own focus group also said that Bernie Sanders won, and Fusion’s focus group said that Bernie Sanders won, and Fox News’ focus group said that Bernie Sanders won. ...
comments
int:
-Women’s issues will certainly take the back burner in a Sanders administration. He may say he's a feminist, he may have a history of liking gays.... But HRC is chiefly known for her work with human rights. Women need her more than ever.
-I agree. ..she has pissed me off with some of her votes, including the Iraq War, but ** I would like to have someone in office who is ON FIRE for women’s rights, especially abortion rights.** The right has been steadily chipping away at abortion rights because male Democrats are too passive and believe Roe v Wade is enough. It’s not. The Bernie Sanders supporters give lip service to women’s rights, but it’s all back burner to whatever the hell they think Bernie can deliver on regulating Wall Street. /c.//
& good cmmt:
-MrsChoatePFLAGnanna: Bernie surprised a lot of people by essentially granting Hillary absolution from her scandals in the democrat camp. Once she realized she was going to be treated fairly gently by Anderson Cooper and her opponents she seemed to relax and be as much herself as is possible. If she “won,” Bernie Sanders handed her the win. His statement about the emails makes the deme look much more unified than the Republicans right now. /y./
As for reality, Hillary and Bernie did a lot of one-upmanship in the freebie promising department. Open the borders! Free college! Once in a while I would like a politician to let me know what my U.S. passport and six decades of Federal income tax gets me. /huh. a lot, really? thinking of wh jaime said: we are white citizens of united states
--the ability to earn a remarkable comfortable living doing work that isn’t physically taxing? general safety and stability in a world where even western countries are either far more isolated (australia) or at a higher risk of terrorism or state-sponsored violence? being in america is fucking sweet. some immigrants being treated humanely, or kids being able to get a college education, isn’t a threat to that. it’s not a zero-sum game.
-The Dems *are* much more unified than the Republicans right now. --Yes, and I think it is due to Bernie Sanders choosing to be a statesman last night instead of a politician. /nice./
-Bernie Sanders isn’t offering “freebies.” He outlines how all of his plans will be paid for, and so far, nobody has been able to poke any holes in his math. I haven’t, for example, seen anybody meaningfully question the assertion that he would be able to pay for tuition-free public higher ed with a Wall Street speculation tax. And you know Clinton would have been tearing him apart on the math if she could have. /huh./
--MrsChoatePFLAGnanna: If I thought he, or anyone, could succeed in passing those tax policies, then I wouldn’t worry so much.
..amounts to a bit of opinioneering by me, in an effort to convince you that the candidate I believe is most correct won. There is nothing wrong with this. That is what opinion writing is for. But that is not what the mainstream political press would have you believe they are doing. They would have you believe that they are not just stating their opinions; they are giving you valuable informed analysis about what is objectively happening.
So where is evidence Clinton won? .. There were several large online polls, which are a fairly degraded form of data that can end up measuring enthusiasm of a candidate’s base more than actual total voter preference. But to the extent those online polls have any value, Bernie Sanders won 68% in the MSNBC.com poll; Bernie Sanders won 55% in the Daily Kos poll; Bernie Sanders won 54% in the Time.com poll; and Bernie Sanders overwhelmingly won CNN’s own Facebook poll, not that you would know it from what the pundits were saying on CNN itself. CNN’s own focus group also said that Bernie Sanders won, and Fusion’s focus group said that Bernie Sanders won, and Fox News’ focus group said that Bernie Sanders won. ...
comments
int:
-Women’s issues will certainly take the back burner in a Sanders administration. He may say he's a feminist, he may have a history of liking gays.... But HRC is chiefly known for her work with human rights. Women need her more than ever.
-I agree. ..she has pissed me off with some of her votes, including the Iraq War, but ** I would like to have someone in office who is ON FIRE for women’s rights, especially abortion rights.** The right has been steadily chipping away at abortion rights because male Democrats are too passive and believe Roe v Wade is enough. It’s not. The Bernie Sanders supporters give lip service to women’s rights, but it’s all back burner to whatever the hell they think Bernie can deliver on regulating Wall Street. /c.//
& good cmmt:
-MrsChoatePFLAGnanna: Bernie surprised a lot of people by essentially granting Hillary absolution from her scandals in the democrat camp. Once she realized she was going to be treated fairly gently by Anderson Cooper and her opponents she seemed to relax and be as much herself as is possible. If she “won,” Bernie Sanders handed her the win. His statement about the emails makes the deme look much more unified than the Republicans right now. /y./
As for reality, Hillary and Bernie did a lot of one-upmanship in the freebie promising department. Open the borders! Free college! Once in a while I would like a politician to let me know what my U.S. passport and six decades of Federal income tax gets me. /huh. a lot, really? thinking of wh jaime said: we are white citizens of united states
--the ability to earn a remarkable comfortable living doing work that isn’t physically taxing? general safety and stability in a world where even western countries are either far more isolated (australia) or at a higher risk of terrorism or state-sponsored violence? being in america is fucking sweet. some immigrants being treated humanely, or kids being able to get a college education, isn’t a threat to that. it’s not a zero-sum game.
-The Dems *are* much more unified than the Republicans right now. --Yes, and I think it is due to Bernie Sanders choosing to be a statesman last night instead of a politician. /nice./
-Bernie Sanders isn’t offering “freebies.” He outlines how all of his plans will be paid for, and so far, nobody has been able to poke any holes in his math. I haven’t, for example, seen anybody meaningfully question the assertion that he would be able to pay for tuition-free public higher ed with a Wall Street speculation tax. And you know Clinton would have been tearing him apart on the math if she could have. /huh./
--MrsChoatePFLAGnanna: If I thought he, or anyone, could succeed in passing those tax policies, then I wouldn’t worry so much.
Tuesday, September 29, 2015
Kingdom s1e2 // Hey, look at me, man. I'm not laughing. Hey.
Kingdom (2014) s01e02 Episode Script | SS:
// Ryan with his roommate who is crying & tearing up room upset bcs sth missing //
It's a bear key chain. - Okay. - And I know it's funny to you guys, but - Hey, Keith, look at me, man. I'm not laughing. Hey.
W-where's the last time you had him? Huh? - [Sobbing] It it was in here. Like it always is. - Great. Okay, so we'll search in here. Without fucking everything up. And then we'll expand the perimeter / aw / and then - [sniffling] - Hey, if somebody stole him, I'm gonna get him back for you. Don't worry. He'll turn up. [Sighs] Okay. All right. - Thanks, Ryan.
// Alvey at gym, coaching //
Always moving. No mistakes. The only mistake is to stop moving. You're thinking. You're thinking. Something doesn't work, don't get stuck. Don't stay there. I see you guys get frustrated a little bit because you want the triangle or you want the fucking armbar. It doesn't matter. You keep moving. Every move has a twin. For every move, there's a countermove. We get 'ffed on one move, we go to the twin. We get 'ffed on that move, we go back to another twin. Like water. Always transitioning. Good. Good, good, good.
Any questions? Smile. I want everybody to smile. This is fun. We're having fun. [Laughs] All right. See you tomorrow.
// Ryan with his roommate who is crying & tearing up room upset bcs sth missing //
It's a bear key chain. - Okay. - And I know it's funny to you guys, but - Hey, Keith, look at me, man. I'm not laughing. Hey.
W-where's the last time you had him? Huh? - [Sobbing] It it was in here. Like it always is. - Great. Okay, so we'll search in here. Without fucking everything up. And then we'll expand the perimeter / aw / and then - [sniffling] - Hey, if somebody stole him, I'm gonna get him back for you. Don't worry. He'll turn up. [Sighs] Okay. All right. - Thanks, Ryan.
// Alvey at gym, coaching //
Always moving. No mistakes. The only mistake is to stop moving. You're thinking. You're thinking. Something doesn't work, don't get stuck. Don't stay there. I see you guys get frustrated a little bit because you want the triangle or you want the fucking armbar. It doesn't matter. You keep moving. Every move has a twin. For every move, there's a countermove. We get 'ffed on one move, we go to the twin. We get 'ffed on that move, we go back to another twin. Like water. Always transitioning. Good. Good, good, good.
Any questions? Smile. I want everybody to smile. This is fun. We're having fun. [Laughs] All right. See you tomorrow.
Sunday, September 20, 2015
Que necesita para que gane un #Emmy ? Volar? #emmyformaslany
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Gaby ♡ @algamaby -
7 minutes ago O sea ella actúa todos estos personajes y no gana? Que necesita para que gane un #Emmy ? Volar? #emmyformaslany // :) "Fly?"
Tamara_Robbins - 14 minutes ago Happy 4 @ViolaDavis, but REALLY? Can anyone possibly top @tatianamaslany? She is INCREDIBLE. When will the recognition come? @OrphanBlack
Jo Garfein@jopinionated - 48 minutes ago #OrphanBlack fans this is just the beginning. Think about how many people know about/will watch @OrphanBlack now. MANY awards in TM's future
- 52 minutes ago To be fair, I LOVE Viola on HTGAWM. She deserves this#Emmy.
- 53 minutes ago {gif Alison "Are you kidding me?"}#Emmy response. #OrphanBlack
.. 2 hours ago The Lifetime Achievement Award for "Doesn't Give a F*ck" goes to Frances McDormand. I could not love her (or her lack of makeup) more.
/yay tht cld I lk to her as ~ role model "I'm like that" in sth's gotta give movie I'm not diane keaton I'm not amanda peet but I cld be this woman ~ the sister ~ long hair unstyled pulled back
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reasons tatiana maslany deserves the emmy
She plays almost the entire cast of characters on Orphan Black.
And does it flawlessly.
She completely transforms into her characters.
She thinks of every detail, right down to individual unique laughs.
Her cast mates are in awe of her.
She often has to act opposite herself.
She’s representing all sorts of women and communities. /along w Sarah, Alison, Cosima, Helena also Katya, Rachel, Krystal, Tony
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Gaby ♡
Tamara_Robbins - 14 minutes ago Happy 4 @ViolaDavis
Jo Garfein
- 52 minutes ago To be fair, I LOVE Viola on HTGAWM. She deserves this
- 53 minutes ago {gif Alison "Are you kidding me?"}
.. 2 hours ago The Lifetime Achievement Award for "Doesn't Give a F*ck" goes to Frances McDormand. I could not love her (or her lack of makeup) more.
/yay tht cld I lk to her as ~ role model "I'm like that" in sth's gotta give movie I'm not diane keaton I'm not amanda peet but I cld be this woman ~ the sister ~ long hair unstyled pulled back
____
reasons tatiana maslany deserves the emmy
She plays almost the entire cast of characters on Orphan Black.
And does it flawlessly.
She completely transforms into her characters.
She thinks of every detail, right down to individual unique laughs.
Her cast mates are in awe of her.
She often has to act opposite herself.She’s representing all sorts of women and communities. /along w Sarah, Alison, Cosima, Helena also Katya, Rachel, Krystal, Tony
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Thursday, September 17, 2015
.. asullivan - readers' write in re favorite moments of his blog
*** Your Moments Of Dishness
Feb 6 2015 @ 11:00am
readers re favorite moments, incl personal - his wedding, his dogs - and writings.
Your piece defending Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich, “The Quality of Mercy“, changed me. As someone who is young, queer, liberal, and growing up in San Francisco, this piece was the first one to push me to shed my dogmatic approach to those who disagreed with me. A movement won through understanding is such a testament to human empathy and I’ve since taken on the challenge of become a more open person. Since then, I’ve been able to learn so much because I’ve made myself an active yet vulnerable participant in a conversation instead of a bully.
Your piece defending Mozilla CEO Brendan Eich, “The Quality of Mercy“, changed me. As someone who is young, queer, liberal, and growing up in San Francisco, this piece was the first one to push me to shed my dogmatic approach to those who disagreed with me. A movement won through understanding is such a testament to human empathy and I’ve since taken on the challenge of become a more open person. Since then, I’ve been able to learn so much because I’ve made myself an active yet vulnerable participant in a conversation instead of a bully.
.. asullivan
http://dish.andrewsullivan.com/2014/03/10/the-christianist-closet/
There are always going to be social pressures that favor or disfavor certain views. What about a gun control enthusiast in rural Texas? Or a pro-choicer in Mississippi?
My view – and I don’t see how Rod [Dreher, at theamerconservative] can have ignored it – is maximal respect for sincerely held opinions. Just as many conservatives over the years have politely acknowledged without endorsing my marriage, so I politely acknowledge the convictions of Christianists, and seek dialogue with them.
...But the hysteria and self-pity among those who, for centuries, enjoyed widespread endorsement for the horrible mistreatment of gay people really is too much. The victimology that was born on the left is now alive and whining on the right.
..When I basically told gay people to stop thinking of themselves as victims and start thinking of themselves as equal citizens – one part of the case for putting military service and the right to marry at the forefront of the movement //was his argument to campaign for specific rights, rather than? ~ *against* discrimination ie lodging complaints? – there were howls of derision. ..
In the end, one begins to wonder about the strength of these people’s religious convictions if they are so afraid to voice them, and need the state to reinforce them. Which is one more reason why the decline of Christianism makes the rebirth of Christianity a more exciting prospect. Liberated from the state and social support, Christians may have to become what they once were: outsiders, prophets, the salt of the earth.
Wednesday, September 16, 2015
andrew sullivan
his goodbye to the dish
A Note To My Readers Jan 28 2015 @ 1:00pm // going to stop blogging | You were there when it was just me and a tip jar for six years, and at Time, and at The Atlantic /my main time of reading/, and the Daily Beast /saw he had moved there ~ newsweek/, and then as an independent company.
final posts from each intern - colleague.
scrolling down, first I saw was
How To Read The Entire Internet Feb 6 2015 @ 12:30pm Patrick Appel
"Patrick Appel" ~ I thought, didn't he start when I was reading all the time? ~ 2008 and yes. "seven years" makes me feel connected! do I have any saved version, in Ggl Reader, how did that work?
also to read:
Could The Dish Continue Without Me? Jan 30 2015 @ 2:11pm
*** Your Moments Of Dishness Feb 6 2015 @ 11:00am readers re favorite moments, incl personal - his wedding, his dogs - and writings.
...re Sarah Palin. why d n drop the Trig story.
still going :) The View from Your Window.
The Years Of Writing Dangerously Feb 6 2015 @ 3:00pm I sit here not knowing what to write next. And yet, in the end, it is quite simple.
Know hope.
----- to read more recently: re the pope.=
The Miracle Of Francis Feb 6 2015 @ 2:30pm
The Long Game Of Barack Obama Feb 5 2015 @ 12:02pm
Perhaps the prevailing theme of this blog these past seven years has been the hope and promise of the Obama presidency.
I’ve long insisted that his record will only be fully understood after eight years, that his role as the liberal Reagan of our time could not be glimpsed fully in real time – the only time a blog can function in – but needed some perspective. I’m sure in the future I will write an essay on all this, but I owe you my current state of mind before I bid farewell tomorrow.
/ asullivan
A Note To My Readers Jan 28 2015 @ 1:00pm // going to stop blogging | You were there when it was just me and a tip jar for six years, and at Time, and at The Atlantic /my main time of reading/, and the Daily Beast /saw he had moved there ~ newsweek/, and then as an independent company.
final posts from each intern - colleague.
scrolling down, first I saw was
How To Read The Entire Internet Feb 6 2015 @ 12:30pm Patrick Appel
"Patrick Appel" ~ I thought, didn't he start when I was reading all the time? ~ 2008 and yes. "seven years" makes me feel connected! do I have any saved version, in Ggl Reader, how did that work?
also to read:
Could The Dish Continue Without Me? Jan 30 2015 @ 2:11pm
*** Your Moments Of Dishness Feb 6 2015 @ 11:00am readers re favorite moments, incl personal - his wedding, his dogs - and writings.
...re Sarah Palin. why d n drop the Trig story.
still going :) The View from Your Window.
The Years Of Writing Dangerously Feb 6 2015 @ 3:00pm I sit here not knowing what to write next. And yet, in the end, it is quite simple.
Know hope.
----- to read more recently: re the pope.=
The Miracle Of Francis Feb 6 2015 @ 2:30pm
The Long Game Of Barack Obama Feb 5 2015 @ 12:02pm
Perhaps the prevailing theme of this blog these past seven years has been the hope and promise of the Obama presidency.
I’ve long insisted that his record will only be fully understood after eight years, that his role as the liberal Reagan of our time could not be glimpsed fully in real time – the only time a blog can function in – but needed some perspective. I’m sure in the future I will write an essay on all this, but I owe you my current state of mind before I bid farewell tomorrow.
/ asullivan
Wednesday, September 2, 2015
incommensurable magnitude irrational number - maths
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dlcs
In mathematics, a real number is a value that
represents a quantity along a continuous line. /ok good. ~ magnitudes. ~
continuous. to be sure: real incl all rational. as well as all
irrational. per prvs pgmrk Irrational Numbers [Incommensurability of
Magnitudes]: As a consequence of Georg Cantor's proof that the real
numbers are uncountable //countable is to be able to? count = ? list in
order, inclusively. comprehensively. ~ so is this the same fact as
incommensurability? th for those irrational lengths wh occur on the line
[and make up more of it than rational?] there is no unit?// and the
rationals (again, to be sure: a subset of former = real numbers)
countable /wh is not to say finite. rt?/, it follows that almost all
real numbers are irrational [*so, y: more irrational (in fact "almost
all") than rational. segments of a line. if finding possible divisions.
segmentatns. wld find more th cannot be descr by rational # than that
can. z1509 math
Irrational_number#Ancient_Greece - Wkp (redirected from Incommensurable magnitudes) /int -- and to #Ancient_Greece/
wikipedia.org
termed 'alogos', or inexpressible. /y:
irrational./ ...Bcs distinctn of number fr magnitude, geometry became
the only method cld take into account /well. not an account. logos.
better: only method cld display. deal with/ incommensurable ratios. so
Greek focus shifted away from numerical conceptions - algebra - to focus
almost on geometry /huh for that reason? as if numerical study fails/.
supposedly Hippasus made discovery out at sea, was thrown overboard by
his fellow Pythagoreans "for having produced /hmm/ an element in the
universe wh denied the doctrine that all phenomena in the universe can
be reduced to whole numbers & their ratios.”vs the assumption that
number & geometry inseparable. /but now again? w way of recognizing
irrational #s ? // irrational. like in Timaus, no incmmnsr in nous
making of world. but hv to go back incl stuff, receptacle. actualness
thereness. *in the universe* .. see 'Real Numbers' - most - all? -
irrational > nxt pgmrk. z1509 math essay a
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textedit
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Irrational_number
As a consequence of Cantor's proof that the real numbers are uncountable and the rationals countable, it follows that almost all [In mathematics, the phrase "almost all" has a number of specialised uses which extend its intuitive meaning] real numbers are irrational.[1]
l.[1] Cantor, Georg (1955) [1915]. Contributions to the Founding of the Theory of Transfinite Numbers. New York: Dover. //that is bk we read at sjc, rt? so I prob own? or was dffrnt Cantor re number.
Cantor's proof
Cantor's diagonal argument, also called the diagonalisation argument, the diagonal slash argument or the diagonal method, was published in 1891 by Georg Cantor as a proof that there are infinite sets which cannot be put into one-to-one correspondence with the infinite set of natural numbers. //wh are thus ~greater than? can compare amounts of one infite set to another?
(y I think so. was getting that. fr thinking re irrational numbers. more of than rational. in set of real.)
are uncountable
an uncountable set (or uncountably infinite set)[1] is an infinite set hat contains too many elements to be countable.
/mm. ok so y. can compare. like ~ infinite in more ways. a countably infinite set goes on forever. and perhaps as here in two directions, positive and negative rational numbers. infinite in extension.
*and infinitely divisible, right? can always divide in half. then express as ratio = rational. = any number can be expressed as ratio of integers. no? keep dividing in half takes into irrational ? (if infinitely divisible then how can count? right?
ALMOST ALL REAL NUMBERS ARE IRRATIONAL.
real numbers are uncountable.
rational numbers are countable.
_________
uncountable - countable = almost all // is that so? seems like wld be, but hv to articulate.
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Saturday, July 11, 2015
crrnt int
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7/10/15 frfx tabs:
animalrescue.
ggl photos. // now feel fine in iphoto moving later events [keep all Atl early L & E] to trash, after casual skim > drag copy some to folder in
Finder:Pictures: iphoto some fvrs
justified. uproxx recaps.
Greece: tsipras. greek economic disaster. greek revolution (news). greece full catastrophe (book).
hamilton nolan gwkr posts (to dlww), esp re 'all debt is negotiable' greece.
* All Debt Is Negotiable -by Hamilton Nolan | Any moral discussion of Greece’s debt must contend with the question of how much average citizens—who will do the real suffering under austerity—are responsible for the economic mistakes of their leaders.
Thms Pikkety in Die Zeit: “Europe was founded on debt forgiveness and investment in the future. Not on the idea of endless penance. We need to remember this.”
// read cmmts ..
-The Greeks are reminding the ECB, IMF and everyone else that: “If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem.” J. Paul Getty
-In 1953, 60% of Germany's debt was just plain Canceled. Canceled! The threat was that keeping the debt alive would result in the same sort of radical regime that gave rise to Hitler: Erase our Debts, or the Fourth Reich will Conquer You!
-As I think you can see from the comments below, HamNo, almost everyone DOES see it as a moral issue—but, unfortunately, more along the “Greeks are all lazy scum who have too much social welfare” king of moral issue. I particularly like the comment from the guy thinks that somehow Greek’s debt is worse because it was not accumulated in a war conducted by them on other civilized nations.
also hamilton re if you like Eliz Warren, vote Bernie Sanders.
and read:: Nyr re Eliz Warren by Ryan Lizza.
Thurs 9 July black tie coffee size large fr Capital 360 Peets w free card fr cathy, and so then got int'd in tv. via J fr Cincii imdb big banner Rectfiy. > netflix featuring Advantageous now a 2015 feature film.
was a short = epsd of Futurestates ytube vids /watch
and also see H+ series on ytube /watch)
also check out on netflix, came up under Rectify ~ similar:
Grand Hotel (Spanish, 2011).
Code (Austr, 2014) f a mysterious outback accident.. Two Aboriginal teenagers in the car are critically injured but nobody called for help because someone involved works for a major stakeholder in a secret research project. The accident would have remained a mystery if it weren't for Ned Banks, a young internet journalist desperate for a break and his brother Jesse Banks, a hacker on a strict good behaviour bond.
sundance ~ z for zachariah .. the visit ..
//all of that now :( to me, by a few days later. that Thursday, though, I did get into checking out the last two hours of primetime. realized-remembered we d n get sundance, so no Rectify, but at that point had tht of looking at Aquarius - nbc, re chs manson, had seen a minute on at erawan thai the prior thursday with c, saw had dvd meunier in it who I like fr seeing as cousin johnny in rectify. Aquarius might still be ~int. d n actually watch, hardly, was clicking around eg to 'Dates' from uk wh showing on ~ cw I think. and on usa two newish shows, complications w jason mara eh and yellow-tinted show re federal undercover agents in a house ~ d n see enough, might be int.
7/10/15 frfx tabs:
animalrescue.
ggl photos. // now feel fine in iphoto moving later events [keep all Atl early L & E] to trash, after casual skim > drag copy some to folder in
Finder:Pictures: iphoto some fvrs
justified. uproxx recaps.
Greece: tsipras. greek economic disaster. greek revolution (news). greece full catastrophe (book).
hamilton nolan gwkr posts (to dlww), esp re 'all debt is negotiable' greece.
* All Debt Is Negotiable -by Hamilton Nolan | Any moral discussion of Greece’s debt must contend with the question of how much average citizens—who will do the real suffering under austerity—are responsible for the economic mistakes of their leaders.
Thms Pikkety in Die Zeit: “Europe was founded on debt forgiveness and investment in the future. Not on the idea of endless penance. We need to remember this.”
// read cmmts ..
-The Greeks are reminding the ECB, IMF and everyone else that: “If you owe the bank $100 that’s your problem. If you owe the bank $100 million, that’s the bank’s problem.” J. Paul Getty
-In 1953, 60% of Germany's debt was just plain Canceled. Canceled! The threat was that keeping the debt alive would result in the same sort of radical regime that gave rise to Hitler: Erase our Debts, or the Fourth Reich will Conquer You!
-As I think you can see from the comments below, HamNo, almost everyone DOES see it as a moral issue—but, unfortunately, more along the “Greeks are all lazy scum who have too much social welfare” king of moral issue. I particularly like the comment from the guy thinks that somehow Greek’s debt is worse because it was not accumulated in a war conducted by them on other civilized nations.
also hamilton re if you like Eliz Warren, vote Bernie Sanders.
and read:: Nyr re Eliz Warren by Ryan Lizza.
Thurs 9 July black tie coffee size large fr Capital 360 Peets w free card fr cathy, and so then got int'd in tv. via J fr Cincii imdb big banner Rectfiy. > netflix featuring Advantageous now a 2015 feature film.
was a short = epsd of Futurestates ytube vids /watch
and also see H+ series on ytube /watch)
also check out on netflix, came up under Rectify ~ similar:
Grand Hotel (Spanish, 2011).
Code (Austr, 2014) f a mysterious outback accident.. Two Aboriginal teenagers in the car are critically injured but nobody called for help because someone involved works for a major stakeholder in a secret research project. The accident would have remained a mystery if it weren't for Ned Banks, a young internet journalist desperate for a break and his brother Jesse Banks, a hacker on a strict good behaviour bond.
sundance ~ z for zachariah .. the visit ..
//all of that now :( to me, by a few days later. that Thursday, though, I did get into checking out the last two hours of primetime. realized-remembered we d n get sundance, so no Rectify, but at that point had tht of looking at Aquarius - nbc, re chs manson, had seen a minute on at erawan thai the prior thursday with c, saw had dvd meunier in it who I like fr seeing as cousin johnny in rectify. Aquarius might still be ~int. d n actually watch, hardly, was clicking around eg to 'Dates' from uk wh showing on ~ cw I think. and on usa two newish shows, complications w jason mara eh and yellow-tinted show re federal undercover agents in a house ~ d n see enough, might be int.
Thursday, July 9, 2015
hamilton
kinja.com/hamilton_nolan
mein bruder schwester bruder? up there in speaking-his-own w paul constant, jacob clifton,
gawker.com/three-hidden-reasons-why-brands-struggle-with-authenti-1715470766
“Three Hidden Reasons Why Brands Struggle with Authenticity.”
All three reasons are “Brands are illusory constructs built upon a foundation of cynicism for whom the concept of ‘authenticity’ is wholly nonsensical” but it doesn’t say that in Ad Age for some reason.
gawker.com/the-republican-party-welcomes-you-black-americans-1715967709
swaggering moron gawker.com/rick-perry-a-moron-says-homosexuality-is-like-alcohol-1589820700
mein bruder schwester bruder? up there in speaking-his-own w paul constant, jacob clifton,
gawker.com/three-hidden-reasons-why-brands-struggle-with-authenti-1715470766
“Three Hidden Reasons Why Brands Struggle with Authenticity.”
All three reasons are “Brands are illusory constructs built upon a foundation of cynicism for whom the concept of ‘authenticity’ is wholly nonsensical” but it doesn’t say that in Ad Age for some reason.
gawker.com/the-republican-party-welcomes-you-black-americans-1715967709
swaggering moron gawker.com/rick-perry-a-moron-says-homosexuality-is-like-alcohol-1589820700
"Whether
or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not, you
have the ability to decide not to do that," Perry said. "I may have
the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the
desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same
way."
"I look at
the homosexual issue the same way [as I look at alcoholism, just one
indication that non-Texan residents of the United States of America
would be shocked to learn the true depths of my ignorance on basic
social and scientific issues]," said Perry, one of our nation's foremost
morons. "[I hope you like the fact that I gave this answer in San Francisco. You like that? My backwards, simplistic right-wing idiocy on policy is matched only by lack of political acumen.]"
read: gawker.com/like-elizabeth-warren-vote-bernie-sanders-1702274116
* gawker.com/all-debt-is-negotiable-1715996006
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Wednesday, June 24, 2015
Deadwoods Justified Rectify
* Deadwood
* Justified
* Rectify
* Terriers
//most fvr? the people - men - I want to listen to. want to hear speak.
any other contenders? tv-labels here show formative exploring tv > 2006 y nip tuck for char of christian .. y Veronica Mars especially for logan and the best of hs dramas wh I anyway enjoy
y life y gilmore for lorelai ~ y big love
y Kidnapped I did like that jeremy sisto wld I again
and Lone Star even though just that one no two episodes.
Fri Night Lights v good, though not especially 'my' (if it had been just about Tim, and his brother? that scene out on road with truck, brother tells he is having a kid "a football?!" and I did also like Tyra a lot)
Breaking Bad. my, fvr for first 20 epsds, s1-2. and s3 Gustavo. Jesse: "Where's he gonna get anothe chemist?" /after that, still top notch but was not love for me? Jesse still love ~ but sad? and d n go any reveal re Gus.
The Wire is as good as the *fvr above. not so 'my' maybe til we get to Marlo "meaning you."
* Weeds ! /just about up there w the *fvr! really I did like it. all.
usTara too, while thinking of half hours, easy to forget. but Weeds a lot.
* Justified
* Rectify
* Terriers
//most fvr? the people - men - I want to listen to. want to hear speak.
any other contenders? tv-labels here show formative exploring tv > 2006 y nip tuck for char of christian .. y Veronica Mars especially for logan and the best of hs dramas wh I anyway enjoy
y life y gilmore for lorelai ~ y big love
y Kidnapped I did like that jeremy sisto wld I again
and Lone Star even though just that one no two episodes.
Fri Night Lights v good, though not especially 'my' (if it had been just about Tim, and his brother? that scene out on road with truck, brother tells he is having a kid "a football?!" and I did also like Tyra a lot)
Breaking Bad. my, fvr for first 20 epsds, s1-2. and s3 Gustavo. Jesse: "Where's he gonna get anothe chemist?" /after that, still top notch but was not love for me? Jesse still love ~ but sad? and d n go any reveal re Gus.
The Wire is as good as the *fvr above. not so 'my' maybe til we get to Marlo "meaning you."
* Weeds ! /just about up there w the *fvr! really I did like it. all.
usTara too, while thinking of half hours, easy to forget. but Weeds a lot.
Saturday, June 13, 2015
He swung the golf club, Raylan.
Boyd "I didn't ask to think if.." // Justified s04e11 DECOY Episode Script | SS
http://www.springfieldspringfield.co.uk/view_episode_scripts.php?tv-show=justified&episode=s04e11 / ~28 min in: Is that you, Boyd? For the record, that makes me two for two. For the record, it doesn't matter. Who's your friend? His name's Picker. Hmm. I didn't ask to think if he played guitar. .. You know why we're here, right? Yeah. Boyd, what was the name of that astronaut? You know, I don't recall. He was a big deal. Went up to the moon. He swung the golf club, Raylan. /aw this sort of awed, wistful look on Boyd's face./ He drove the car. Raylan, I was the one enamored with space flight. I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one. He drove the car. I'll bet a dollar. /nice. when stakes of situation are betting lives./ Well, I don't have it on me now, Raylan, but Oh, for Christ's sake. Right. Jesus. Raylan, you know I like a good conversation as much as But, uh, being as matters are pressing?
R: Is that you, Boyd? B: For the record, that makes me two for two. P: For the record, it doesn't matter.
R: Who's your friend? B: His name's Picker. R: Hmm. B: I didn't ask to think if he played guitar. P: You Givens? Mm-hmm. You know why we're here, right? R: Yeah. Boyd, what was the name of that astronaut? B: You know, I don't recall. R: He was a big deal. Went up to the moon.
B: He swung the golf club, Raylan. R: He drove the car.
B: Raylan, I was the one enamored with space flight. I'm pretty sure I'm right on this one.
R: He drove the car. I'll bet a dollar.
B: Well, I don't have it on me now, Raylan, but -P: Oh, for Christ's sake. B: Right.
couch baron recap: Picker getting impatient as Raylan and Boyd try to outdrawl each other. / :)
// this epsd is v good. several other scenes I'd like to record.//
-Boyd: What are you waiting for?
Look at you, Mr. Crowder. You're a well-dressed man. You got a sense of style. You got your shirt buttoned all the way up to the top.
I got to ask. Where'd you get all those teeth?
Courtesy of the American taxpayer while serving our great nation in Desert Storm.
Man, I love the way you talk using 40 words where 4 will do. I'm curious.
What would you say if I was about to put 40 bullets through that beautiful vest of yours?
"What're you waiting for?"
Oh, you're cool, huh?
I tried to keep it to four words. You'll allow the contraction as one.
-Ava: Don't explain, just shoot. /whole bit up to that w Augustine./
Is what you're saying is ... That Maybe I hitched myself to the wrong man? Augst: Clearly.
That you're the one to take me to the promised land. Augst: Time will tell. {splashes her brandy in his face, holds lighter up}
Johnny: Ava. Ava, don't.
What are you gonna do, Johnny? Gonna finish what you started? You gonna shoot me?
Johnny: Try to understand.
Oh, you ..? Don't explain. Just shoot! What? Can't you?
Johnny: Ava I-I love you.
Oh, that's sweet.
Augustine: Wow. Okay. I see what you like about her.
-Tim: It's _not_ a fantasy. /drawn out, impatient. /Tim & Art in car, Tim calls Colt./
Art: Well, what do we do? We go back? Tim: Not if the car behind us is filled with high explosives.
And you think it is? I think so.
How could they pull this off? Boyd has an Iraq and Afghan veteran in his crew. Colton rhodes. Ex-M.P, drummed out for drugs.
And you have his number? Our paths have crossed.
Colt: Yeah. Tim: Hello, Bagram. Well, hello, Deputy Dawg. Art: Speaker.
Am I right in saying that you were in the sandbox before Afghanistan? I *am* a double winner.
Is that why you called, to ask me that? Oh, why? You busy? I am in the middle of something.
All right, I'll make it quick. I'm writing a book set in Iraq. There's a chapter where a convoy of military police is transporting a criminal, and lieutenant Dan he's our main guy he gets a bad feeling.
Forrest Gump. Huh? There's a lieutenant Dan in Forrest Gump.
Oh, shit. You're right. I'll change it. Lieutenant Colt.
I would like a young Gérard Depardieu to play me in the movie. I'm honored.
Well, you should be. He's a big guy, real badass Or he was. He's kind of losing his grip. When we meet him, he's lost someone. He started using dope that he confiscated.
Yeah, but then we find out that he's kicked again. And anyone who thinks he's in any way diminished is in for a big surprise.
Yeah, but he's the kind of character might say he's kicked, but we all know he's just one broken shoelace away from saying "screw it" and picking up again.
C: How about you have him go into a bar and pick a fight with some rangers, and he sends a couple of them to the hospital?
T: It's _not_ a fantasy. Anyway, he gets a bad feeling when they pass an abandoned vehicle, sees a second and a third, so he's thinking IEDs triggered by cell. You ever come across anything like that?
C: Me, personally? No. But I did hear about this one convoy, couple of Frankensteins and a gun truck on highway 10. So, the spotter, he calls a halt between the first two cars Thinking the Hajis will blow the second if it moves forward, and the first if it tries to go back.
T: Well, how'd they get out of it? C: Yeah, they didn't. Because they were too afraid to move They just sat there in their vehicles Pissing and shitting in their helmets, too afraid to toss it out the windows on account of possible snipers. Then they ran out of food.
They started eating each other till there was only one left, and he blew his brains out. Do you want to know the sad part?
T: Oh, there's a sad part? C: Yeah. Because they were so afraid to move, they never found out whether or not the cars had explosives. So basically, they all died from being pussies. [hangs up] [to the guy with him:] They don't want to move? We'll make them move. Shoot the back windows and sides, but do not shoot the drivers or the tires. Got it?
Art: And now? Tim: Well, the good news is I'm not flashing back. But now they're gonna try to make us move.
Art: So what do we do? Tim: Move.
Colt: Holy shit. They circled the wagons.
Friday, May 1, 2015
Bates 1-5 Back to the strip club to pick up the next weeping stranger, one supposes.
Bates Motel s1e5 www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/bates-motel/ocean-view-1x5/
Whip-Smart
By Jacob Clifton | Season 1 | Episode 5 | Aired on 04.15.2013
Finished? Click here to close.
How does Norma react to being put in jail for killing her rapist, while her husband-son is off losing her virginity? Oh, pretty well. Just kidding, she goes mental on everybody and screams at her adorable [young 30s nice woman] lawyer and screams at her adorable sons and generally wrecks shop all over the place... Until Deputy Shelby manages to "misplace" that crucial carpet evidence for love of her, and the whole case falls apart. That's so great, because Norma and Shelby could be really happy together. Just kidding, he keeps Chinese sex-slaves in his basement.
Or -- as of Norman's sloppy B&E (on A&E) -- in dead Keith Summers's old boat, as it turns out. As Emma explains, you have to think like a sex-slave-haver: You want multiple places to keep your sex-slaves, in case an Ambien zombie teen burglar finds her. Local color note: the sex boat is also [like the motel was] named The Seafairer .. where, yes, they do find Jiao .. growling and clawing at them and occasionally passing out.. It's a fun situation, a real "cool scene," and definitely something that children should try to handle all on their own. My favorite part was when she bit the shit out of Norman's hand and you're just like, "Welcome to every disease."
Norma sees red when she notices Emma's car outside one of the motel rooms because she assumes they are doing it, just to hurt her feelings. And then she assumes that they're doing it with some cracked-out Chinese chick, which I'm sure she'd find a way to blame on Dylan. And then finally the girl confirms Norman's story with a literal photograph of Deputy Shelby himself.
But what about Dylan? I know, right. I love that kid. So his whole thing is that when the second Norman told him the sordid story about the rape that became a murder, his wheels started turning about how he couldkidnap /rescue/ his baby brother and go live somewhere on the titular beach [episode title 'ocean view'] off of his drug-mob money, and they'd never have to worry about Norma's increasingly unhinged ass again. Like, you would not believe how quickly he springs into action on this plan once Norma gets arrested.
And then when Norma kicks Norman out of the car in the middle of nowhere -- which I'm not even mad about, she's just bein' Norma -- Dylan comes and saves him out of nowhere and they go on this brotherly motorcycle ride in their little helmets and their little outfits and they are loving it and it goes on for just long enough that you're done letting it make you cry when it's finished.
Love those boys. You know who else really cares about those boys?
Continuing his trend of being way too into Dylan's family dynamic, merc /mercenary/ partner Ethan -- crier-at-stripclubs, sayer-of-the-word-Bro-like-a-million-awkward-times -- hands Dylan five grand to start his new life as a single father-brother, because there is honor among drug mobsters. The next thing that happens is a random junkie who owes Dylan's boss money walks up to their truck and blows Ethan's sweet little head off. Dylan is down a good / his only friend, which is sad, but on the other hand he's up five Gs and a sick-ass truck, so... Back to the strip club to pick up the next weeping stranger, one supposes. /this recaplet is ~ on fire w energy.
But I had to wonder: What would be the ombudsman situation here? Does Dylan even know how to get in touch with their employer? We'll have to wait for next week for the answers to these pressing human resource /right/ issues, because the next thing Dylan decides to do does is track the junkie kid through the streets -- suspenseful and harrowing! -- and eventually run him down. So the whole "eye for an eye" thing is alive and well in Dylan... Dylan... Um. Dylan, if I'm going to love you this much I'm gonna need a full name. My vote is Texas. /ohh only got that on second reading. FNL! town in friday night lights is dillon, tx./
That was a joke. But what is not a joke is: I will miss you, Ethan! I especially liked how you were always crying at strip clubs, and randomly handing strange boys huge sums of money.
Next Week: Norma's dilemma... And probably Dylan will make some very valid points and hand out stellar advice, and everybody will still treat him like he's goddamn Theon Greyjoy /:) / because that's just his lot in life. "I guess I just have one of those faces where only mob heavies and drug dealers could see what a trustworthy guy I am." Which, to be fair. /he does? I don't know but class ending in twopj style whew, great style all through blitz of a recaplet. like, angry.
Want more? The full recap starts right below!
https://web.archive.org/web/20140409024436/http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/bates-motel/ocean-view-1x5/4/
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Emma: "But how come?" [we can't go rescue Jiao now] Norman: "You are not allowed to ask questions. There is no further clarification available at this time. Stop hyperventilating, you have cystic fibrosis." (What he says is, "You're freaking out all over Italy!" /yes! wondered about that.// but the Google on that just is people wondering why the hell he said that, not what the reference actually is. When in doubt, I usually just say it's a line from The Big Lebowski because odds on it is /ha ha :)/, but given Norman's cineaste tendencies, I'd say that is too recent..)
Emma: "Hey, did your mom actually kill Keith Summers? That guy was the worst! I would actually be really impressed if..."
Norman: "She most certainly did not. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a date with a bail bondsman."
One thing that has been interesting to track has been Norma's habit -- and increasingly Norman's -- of just outright rejecting consensus reality and substituting her own. In one way it's a crazy person thing to do, but it's also how shit gets done. /y! "What I am saying is." //
when you think about revolutions, about the suffragettes and bloodier ones, the thing that keeps showing up is that in order to change anything, you have to be super weird. You have to exist outside the context to understand the context, but then you also take a giant step toward crazy when you decide to affect that context. I can't think of a person -- or at least an act -- that's been really pivotal in America's social history that wasn't absolutely balls-out crazy: Rosa Parks wasn't having it, Shulamith Firestone wasn't having it. That's the beauty of the breakdown and we have to catch those people /they deserve us catching them/ once they're all burnt up and fall back to earth.
p5
And what's more, people who successfully mediated both worlds -- the internal and the external /hm/ -- seem uniformly left behind even when they contribute greatly: Gloria Steinem, who saved the world and created the one we live in, is barely a footnote to the new bunch. Which is gross, but supports the point:
To create change, you have to be willing to be sacrificed to that change and that's super sad, but it's a closed sum. Martyrs are lunatics, because you would have to be. You never have a place in the Utopia you are creating. //this is prob smart. but I d n already know this, wh saying, so want-need it more to be actually said.
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Whip-Smart
By Jacob Clifton | Season 1 | Episode 5 | Aired on 04.15.2013
Finished? Click here to close.
How does Norma react to being put in jail for killing her rapist, while her husband-son is off losing her virginity? Oh, pretty well. Just kidding, she goes mental on everybody and screams at her adorable [young 30s nice woman] lawyer and screams at her adorable sons and generally wrecks shop all over the place... Until Deputy Shelby manages to "misplace" that crucial carpet evidence for love of her, and the whole case falls apart. That's so great, because Norma and Shelby could be really happy together. Just kidding, he keeps Chinese sex-slaves in his basement.
Or -- as of Norman's sloppy B&E (on A&E) -- in dead Keith Summers's old boat, as it turns out. As Emma explains, you have to think like a sex-slave-haver: You want multiple places to keep your sex-slaves, in case an Ambien zombie teen burglar finds her. Local color note: the sex boat is also [like the motel was] named The Seafairer .. where, yes, they do find Jiao .. growling and clawing at them and occasionally passing out.. It's a fun situation, a real "cool scene," and definitely something that children should try to handle all on their own. My favorite part was when she bit the shit out of Norman's hand and you're just like, "Welcome to every disease."
Norma sees red when she notices Emma's car outside one of the motel rooms because she assumes they are doing it, just to hurt her feelings. And then she assumes that they're doing it with some cracked-out Chinese chick, which I'm sure she'd find a way to blame on Dylan. And then finally the girl confirms Norman's story with a literal photograph of Deputy Shelby himself.
But what about Dylan? I know, right. I love that kid. So his whole thing is that when the second Norman told him the sordid story about the rape that became a murder, his wheels started turning about how he could
And then when Norma kicks Norman out of the car in the middle of nowhere -- which I'm not even mad about, she's just bein' Norma -- Dylan comes and saves him out of nowhere and they go on this brotherly motorcycle ride in their little helmets and their little outfits and they are loving it and it goes on for just long enough that you're done letting it make you cry when it's finished.
Love those boys. You know who else really cares about those boys?
Continuing his trend of being way too into Dylan's family dynamic, merc /mercenary/ partner Ethan -- crier-at-stripclubs, sayer-of-the-word-Bro-like-a-million-awkward-times -- hands Dylan five grand to start his new life as a single father-brother, because there is honor among drug mobsters. The next thing that happens is a random junkie who owes Dylan's boss money walks up to their truck and blows Ethan's sweet little head off. Dylan is down a good / his only friend, which is sad, but on the other hand he's up five Gs and a sick-ass truck, so... Back to the strip club to pick up the next weeping stranger, one supposes. /this recaplet is ~ on fire w energy.
But I had to wonder: What would be the ombudsman situation here? Does Dylan even know how to get in touch with their employer? We'll have to wait for next week for the answers to these pressing human resource /right/ issues, because the next thing Dylan decides to do does is track the junkie kid through the streets -- suspenseful and harrowing! -- and eventually run him down. So the whole "eye for an eye" thing is alive and well in Dylan... Dylan... Um. Dylan, if I'm going to love you this much I'm gonna need a full name. My vote is Texas. /ohh only got that on second reading. FNL! town in friday night lights is dillon, tx./
That was a joke. But what is not a joke is: I will miss you, Ethan! I especially liked how you were always crying at strip clubs, and randomly handing strange boys huge sums of money.
Next Week: Norma's dilemma... And probably Dylan will make some very valid points and hand out stellar advice, and everybody will still treat him like he's goddamn Theon Greyjoy /:) / because that's just his lot in life. "I guess I just have one of those faces where only mob heavies and drug dealers could see what a trustworthy guy I am." Which, to be fair. /he does? I don't know but class ending in twopj style whew, great style all through blitz of a recaplet. like, angry.
Want more? The full recap starts right below!
https://web.archive.org/web/20140409024436/http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/bates-motel/ocean-view-1x5/4/
p4
Emma: "But how come?" [we can't go rescue Jiao now] Norman: "You are not allowed to ask questions. There is no further clarification available at this time. Stop hyperventilating, you have cystic fibrosis." (What he says is, "You're freaking out all over Italy!" /yes! wondered about that.// but the Google on that just is people wondering why the hell he said that, not what the reference actually is. When in doubt, I usually just say it's a line from The Big Lebowski because odds on it is /ha ha :)/, but given Norman's cineaste tendencies, I'd say that is too recent..)
Emma: "Hey, did your mom actually kill Keith Summers? That guy was the worst! I would actually be really impressed if..."
Norman: "She most certainly did not. Now if you'll excuse me, I have a date with a bail bondsman."
One thing that has been interesting to track has been Norma's habit -- and increasingly Norman's -- of just outright rejecting consensus reality and substituting her own. In one way it's a crazy person thing to do, but it's also how shit gets done. /y! "What I am saying is." //
when you think about revolutions, about the suffragettes and bloodier ones, the thing that keeps showing up is that in order to change anything, you have to be super weird. You have to exist outside the context to understand the context, but then you also take a giant step toward crazy when you decide to affect that context. I can't think of a person -- or at least an act -- that's been really pivotal in America's social history that wasn't absolutely balls-out crazy: Rosa Parks wasn't having it, Shulamith Firestone wasn't having it. That's the beauty of the breakdown and we have to catch those people /they deserve us catching them/ once they're all burnt up and fall back to earth.
p5
And what's more, people who successfully mediated both worlds -- the internal and the external /hm/ -- seem uniformly left behind even when they contribute greatly: Gloria Steinem, who saved the world and created the one we live in, is barely a footnote to the new bunch. Which is gross, but supports the point:
To create change, you have to be willing to be sacrificed to that change and that's super sad, but it's a closed sum. Martyrs are lunatics, because you would have to be. You never have a place in the Utopia you are creating. //this is prob smart. but I d n already know this, wh saying, so want-need it more to be actually said.
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Bates Motel premiere episode twopj / what *is* the oldest story
www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/bates-motel/first-you-dream-then-you-die-1
The Cord of Communion
By Jacob Clifton | Season 1 | Episode 1 | Aired on 03.18.2013
So the pilot's title [First You Dream, Then You Die] refers to /is the title of a bio of/ Cornell Woolrich, a writer whose life mirrored Norman Bates's in some oddly key ways and whose biographer has said, "He did in prose what Hitchcock did in film." He was gay, alcoholic, lived on and off with his mother, did well in the movie-option department ..
By adolescence he was living with his mother in a love-hate relationship that would dominate the rest of his life and provide the emotional wellspring for his claustrophobic tales of paranoia and fear. He sold more than 100 stories and novelettes to the pulps during the 1930s and developed the themes that would forever be associated with his name. Claustrophobia. Entrapment. Paranoia. Menace. Doom. With titles that aptly reflected those themes: Speak to Me of Death, Men Must Die, If I Should Die Before I Wake and You'll Never See Me Again. - See more at: http://sphozy.com/writings/nightmare-world-cornell-woolrich-first-you-dream-then-you-die#sthash.tDT3BvY6.dpuf
.. a man whose work influenced Hitchcock and yet who seemed to himself be a Hitchcock character. In fact Rear Window was based on a story of his which -- layer-violating -- was a remake //Woolrich's story was? ie a retelling?// of an H.G. Wells short story
I think it's more than a wink at the extensive and multivalent connections between Cornell, Norman, Alfred H (and Anthony P).
This is the world we are looking at, a world that pulls equally from ... all and sundry refilmed-remade-rebooted-retellings. The ultimate postmodern (in the actual sense of the term) spin-out and remix of a story that has proven widely and wildly remixable. Over the past week, I've learned that any review of this show that opens with bitching about iPhones is not going to be worth reading, because it has no idea what it's looking at. This is not even the first Norman Bates story with iPods, for chrissake. //I guess GVanSant's near shot for shot remake was set in current time?// A thing I can't remember anybody bringing up all week long. But while Gus van Sant was practicing creative restraint //shot for shot// and this is a show is about externalizing the duality of self /wait wh is the contrast there? this is a *story* about that externalizing, right? not just this show. the movie and the GVanS remake as well. ok I guess means while GVanS was restrained, he is still one of many instances of a remaking of this story ~ and I guess the 'and' is that this story is about externalizing the duality of self wh is compelling but still leaves one wondering why so compelling? bit sloppy loose here syntactically?//, one must wonder:
why is this the story, why are we continually returning to this particular thing to work out our zeitgeisty-artsy obsessions?
When in ten years they develop, I don't know, Smell-O-Vision or four-dimensional timespace dramas or liquid downloadable drinkable movies, there will be a Norman Bates story within the first six months.// :) // I guarantee it. Do I really need to tell you why?
It's the
//hmm isn't the oldest story more genesis?
not only the bible story ~ creation, naming, man, needs companion woman, innocence > body, shame fall from paradise /y this is old story, growing up 'for a long time I used to go to bed early' we were children we could not stay / so okay related mother-son but still first there are the two people the companions not the parent child but ok dyad but still takes two before have a (humanly born) child;
but also in (earlier older) myths Ka ~ mother earth /so okay?/ a snake a beginning /ok born of woman? and eee ouroborus eats itself? / ~ but, Athena from Zeus's head, or Aphrodite fr the ocean, these seem clean, bearable / but maybe what happened in the earlier generation, genesis, the gods who were (always already, for us?) dead when we began telling the myths: Cronos who ate whom?
WHAT IS THE OLDEST STORY? just now in mind oldest profession prostitution, ok so maybe woman as mother has to have had sex, how can male child deal with that? //
Does the mother overtake the son? Does the son overtake the mother? //hmm no is seeming to me like it is not about who dominates it is about how to stand it (tolerate, be okay with, not go crazy from) ~ ambivalence. //change ~ how to leave. attachment separation loss.// and I suppose sex in there, less understandable to me (I d n feel v fully into to a ~ three person stage?) - taboo on incest (thinking of parents as sexual) while also you were born of sex.
and yes this seems most apparent troublesome in mother-son {Oedipus} //why? bcs father-daughter is actually less bizarre ?? ~ it is a man violating ~ as men do ? I don't know. it's a story we are more used to ? it's ugly (frightening, hurtful) but not as icky? (mother is too much.) I don't know: Nicole in Tender is the Night. without mother-wife (died?), "it just happened, we became lovers" ~ that is a case of father not ~overtly terribly violent. seems actually ~sorry. is it less icky? yes. seems so. why. easier to get out. ? away from. ~ you didn't come from out of inside father's body. < I don't know if that matters. works as a metaphor? for how father does not surround you like mother does./
Male privilege will tell you that the world is about son overtaking father, becoming father, displacing father -- until he's old enough to become one.
But that's a story with a beginning and middle and end //easier to get out. ?//:
This [mother-son] is a story that surrounds you so much you can't even talk about it. //right. icky. too much. what is that, being too much?//
You can talk about "legitimate rape" /hm? politician anti-abortion I suppose got flack about this phrase, saying that leg rape rarely results in pregnancy, body shuts down. wh I can see offensive but how is this related? bcs wh I am saying? man violence on women is sth horrific that we *can* talk about??// and birth control rights and bake sexism right into the cake, but //?// you can't talk about it.
Unless you do it like this //as a story, with complicated not un-sympathetic, crazy, hurt, more or less well-meaning people ~ who care about each other?// : Horribly, horrifically, sadly and deliriously.
//delirious - acutely disturbed, restless, w illusions incoherence.
https://web.archive.org/web/20140330223421/http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/bates-motel/first-you-dream-then-you-die-1/15
p15
I wasn't being facetious when I mentioned Gilmore Girls and Grey Gardens and Mildred Pierce //dominating mothers//. You already know the difference between those stories and this one: Everybody's got a mother, but there's a difference between daughters and sons. Put a boy into one of those scenarios //oh. those are all daughters reacting against or trapped and dominated by their mothers//, one of those worlds where femininity reigns and you'll end up -- we're told, over and over -- with a Cornell Woolrich or several Tennessee Williams characters, or a monster like Norman Bates. (Go back far enough and you can see generations of American fathers terrified into violence that this'll turn his kid gay, for instance.) But it's really just the same old tale:
A mother who couldn't be alone //y// and a boy who wasn't ready to learn the difference between being a husband and being a son, when it was time //when is that? when she finds someone else to be not alone with?//. That's not how monsters get made, just wimps.
Mom-rapes * and brutal murders and these horrible people in the town, and apparently pervy manga, are how monsters get made. That and whatever is already going on with Norman that we don't know about yet..
*right. Norman goes to a party, against his mother's wishes: and she gets raped.
another night he goes over to a girl's and has sex; his mother gets arrested.
/this was noted in a comment I read, maybe prvslytv recent ep..
https://web.archive.org/web/20140330223408/http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/bates-motel/first-you-dream-then-you-die-1/11/
Norma: "Who's gonna book a room in the rape-slash-murder motel? We came here to start over, I'm fucking starting over."
And what about this? Where the hell was Norman?
You know, we came here to start over. We came here to start over. I am starting over!And then, seeing she's still pissed -- that the rape and the murder, he just witnessed are about to go on his permanent blame record -- he pulls the most manipulative move of the night /int I guess maybe this is manipulative? I don't know. not intentional, but y a rxn to being blamed, guilty, to instead be upset/: He flips out.
And where the hell were you, Norman? I- I was upstairs.
No, you were not! You were not upstairs. If you were upstairs, you would have come down, and you would have helped me. So where were you? I snuck out of my room and went to a party. Mom, I thought I was gonna study with them, but they took me to a party. I didn't know.
"I didn't know -- it hardly matters right now, there's a dead man on the floor, there's a lake of blood, what are we supposed to do, clean this up with paper towels and spray cleaner? I don't think so!"
Holy hell, mother, we're totally screwed! What are we doing? We don't know what we're doing! - Norman? Norman. - We just don't know - what we're doing! - Okay. Calm down. It's gonna be okay. It's gonna be okay. It's okay. Look, it's gonna be fine. It's gonna be okay.I'll tell you this -- and it goes for both of them -- the majority of shit that is wrong with you started out as a solution to something. /y v good and of course./ The human mind is expertly functional and extremely efficient when it *needs* to be:
Here's what we're gonna do, okay, we're gonna take all the bed linens from every motel room, and we're gonna use it to soak this all up. We're gonna wrap the body in one of the comforters, and we'll put it in a- in one of the tubs in one of the motel rooms just- just until I can figure out what to do with it tomorrow. Okay.Yeah? Norman, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that this dirtbag raped me, okay? /!/ But here you are, and here I am, and he's not gonna win this one. Go wash up a little. Put your bloody clothes in the trash bag.
Mother, are you sure we shouldn't call for help?
No one's ever gonna help us, Norman. No one's ever helped us.
Most non-chemical crazy is just solutions that stayed too long -- scaffold for a building that's since been built, that's now made weaker by it -- which is by the way why it's dumb to be ashamed of them /y. well, is that why? it is a reason. before it was sth wrong w you, it was sth you (your psyche) *accomplished*. sth you needed, and you made.//
In this case, that little histrionic breakdown /manipulated? y - a situation into a tolerable one, ok/ did exactly what it was programmed to do:
Force her to compensate, to assume the shape he needs her to assume, so she won't flip this energy and attack him.
Wednesday, April 29, 2015
bates motel s1e3 ...
https://web.archive.org/web/20140330223441/http://www.televisionwithoutpity.com/show/bates-motel/whats-wrong-with-norman-1x3/5/
HALLWAY, RUSHING
Norma: "...No idea if they found anything. It was one of the most horrible experiences of my life, I couldn't do anything..."
Norman: "Did they find anything?"
Norma: "Did you hit your head when you fell over on it? I just said no."
Norman: "Yeah, but did they find anything in the house?"
Norma: "If we weren't escaping from a hospital right now I would take you to a hospital. No."
HOME
There is something eternally teenage-boy guilt about the way Norman tears his ass up the stairs the second they get home, like just launches directly up the stairs as if she's going to beat him to it and find his dirty magazines or whatever.
Norman: (Whoosh.)
Norma: "What's up?"
Norman: "I have to change clothes and lie down and take a shower and do homework!"
p7
Ethan: "Everything should settle back down now. You want a beer?" Dylan: "Uh, yeah." There's a rustle in the bushes, but Dylan's fear turns to joy when he realizes it's a pheasant, and he can impress somebody with something for the first time like ever. Something about the smile with which he shoulders the rifle -- like it's turned back into just a gun, from whatever it was before -- made me realize I am pretty much completely on Dylan's side from here on out. Normal isn't always good, but good is always normal. /?/
p10
Norman: "Mother!?"
Dylan: "No. Just me."
For the second time today, somebody takes the remote away from Norman to get his attention.
Dylan: "Can I give you some advice? You gotta cut that shit out. 'Mother?' It's just weird."
Norman: "Whereas I guess calling your mom a whore is perfectly normal?"
You can look at the two of them on that couch, with the old owner's old black and white TV and just imagine them being real for a second. Or like, I already thought Dylan was a good idea, narratively and psychologically, but for a minute you can see how his need to be a man and Norman's desperate need for a man would collide in this way: Like another unwanted, unwelcome father figure, but one who -- being Norma's son as well -- actually makes more sense in the dynamic. Like maybe it will work out. Dylan thinks this too, although not in words. He flows, in the absence of Norma, toward his brother, and says the best line of the entire episode:
Dylan: "I'm sorry you tried to kill me the other night."
It's great because it sounds hilariously passive-aggressive, but really it's just the best way of addressing and describing what went down: Now that you've mentioned the whole "whore" thing, by the way, I feel bad that that happened and that I beat you down. But what is sort of brusquely tender in the moment becomes something entirely different.
Norman: "I hardly think I tried to kill you."
Dylan: "You came at me with a meat tenderizer..."
Norman: "Oh, now did I."
You can see Dylan make note of this and get weird and a little sad about it, and then stow that entire line of thought, all in one second.
HALLWAY, RUSHING
Norma: "...No idea if they found anything. It was one of the most horrible experiences of my life, I couldn't do anything..."
Norman: "Did they find anything?"
Norma: "Did you hit your head when you fell over on it? I just said no."
Norman: "Yeah, but did they find anything in the house?"
Norma: "If we weren't escaping from a hospital right now I would take you to a hospital. No."
HOME
There is something eternally teenage-boy guilt about the way Norman tears his ass up the stairs the second they get home, like just launches directly up the stairs as if she's going to beat him to it and find his dirty magazines or whatever.
Norman: (Whoosh.)
Norma: "What's up?"
Norman: "I have to change clothes and lie down and take a shower and do homework!"
p7
Ethan: "Everything should settle back down now. You want a beer?" Dylan: "Uh, yeah." There's a rustle in the bushes, but Dylan's fear turns to joy when he realizes it's a pheasant, and he can impress somebody with something for the first time like ever. Something about the smile with which he shoulders the rifle -- like it's turned back into just a gun, from whatever it was before -- made me realize I am pretty much completely on Dylan's side from here on out. Normal isn't always good, but good is always normal. /?/
p10
Norman: "Mother!?"
Dylan: "No. Just me."
For the second time today, somebody takes the remote away from Norman to get his attention.
Dylan: "Can I give you some advice? You gotta cut that shit out. 'Mother?' It's just weird."
Norman: "Whereas I guess calling your mom a whore is perfectly normal?"
You can look at the two of them on that couch, with the old owner's old black and white TV and just imagine them being real for a second. Or like, I already thought Dylan was a good idea, narratively and psychologically, but for a minute you can see how his need to be a man and Norman's desperate need for a man would collide in this way: Like another unwanted, unwelcome father figure, but one who -- being Norma's son as well -- actually makes more sense in the dynamic. Like maybe it will work out. Dylan thinks this too, although not in words. He flows, in the absence of Norma, toward his brother, and says the best line of the entire episode:
Dylan: "I'm sorry you tried to kill me the other night."
It's great because it sounds hilariously passive-aggressive, but really it's just the best way of addressing and describing what went down: Now that you've mentioned the whole "whore" thing, by the way, I feel bad that that happened and that I beat you down. But what is sort of brusquely tender in the moment becomes something entirely different.
Norman: "I hardly think I tried to kill you."
Dylan: "You came at me with a meat tenderizer..."
Norman: "Oh, now did I."
You can see Dylan make note of this and get weird and a little sad about it, and then stow that entire line of thought, all in one second.
Thursday, April 9, 2015
Sleeper Cell [Showtime 2005-6]
-attica finch Posted Dec 8, 2005 @ 10:59 AM
I've been musing on the Bennetton issue, and something struck me. All of the members of the cell either directly represent, or harken to, specific 'boogey men' of the more paranoid aspects of white America.
To wit:
Ilija: a Bosnian. Former Yugoslavia. Former Soviet Satellite. Commie.
Tommy: son of Berkeley. Lefty, liberal, flag-burning hippie pinko who doesn't deserve the sacrifices of the greatest generation.
Christian: Algerian. French. Surrender monkey.
Farik: Posing as a Jew. They can never be trusted. If they're not controlling the media and the banking system, they're really al-Qaeda!
Darwyn: Black. Dating a white woman.
I don't suggest any of this is intentional on the part of TPTB, but if it is, heh. If, as is more likely, it isn't, it just shows how deeply engrained these 'threats' are in the culture.
Just the idle musings of an avid TWoPper.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140407215938/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3129327-sleeper-cell/page-2
re french guy Christian:
-how similar these extremists groups are.. makes sense /~does it? maybe/ that someone could bounce from being a neo-nazi skinhead to a fanatical jihadist. They share the same pathology.
--prosandcons: And same hatred of Jews. However, in France, his intolerance of Muslims was likely higher, made more severe with his skinhead affiliation. It's interesting that the writers have allowed him to make the miraculous switch to being a Muslim and partisan of the cause, and yet retain his antipathy toward Darwin's color (that's how I read their early interaction). It was like the writers were trying to use his former skinheadism from a strictly American viewpoint (racism against blacks), when in France this would be synonymous with racism against Muslims (the majority of blacks are North African muslims).
Excellent show. I'm loving this. Kudos to Showtime for finally reaching HBO levels. I really enjoy "The L Word" and "Weeds" and find them superior to network television, but didn't find them quite as good as all the HBO shows.
8Dec re ep 1-4 'Scholar'
-prosandcons:: Anyone catch last night's episode? Personally thought it was the best yet. The religious scholar storyline was great, and Christian really seemed conflicted about killing him at the end. Sad end for the student. So did the FBI make up the story about him sending the anthrax to Jakarta as a cover? Loved the reveal on the plane with Ilija sitting there! Was hoping to see more of his romance with the girl from Tower Records but I'm sure we'll see that soon.
-At the end of ep. 4, the scene they showed again in the previouslies, Farik is aiming his gun at the kid's head, and then lowers the gun and fires, apparently shooting the kid through the RV's front grill. Is that right?
--The airbag went off, but I don't know if that would have been enough force to kill him. Maybe it knocked him out long enough for Farik to make it look like an accident.
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I've been musing on the Bennetton issue, and something struck me. All of the members of the cell either directly represent, or harken to, specific 'boogey men' of the more paranoid aspects of white America.
To wit:
Ilija: a Bosnian. Former Yugoslavia. Former Soviet Satellite. Commie.
Tommy: son of Berkeley. Lefty, liberal, flag-burning hippie pinko who doesn't deserve the sacrifices of the greatest generation.
Christian: Algerian. French. Surrender monkey.
Farik: Posing as a Jew. They can never be trusted. If they're not controlling the media and the banking system, they're really al-Qaeda!
Darwyn: Black. Dating a white woman.
I don't suggest any of this is intentional on the part of TPTB, but if it is, heh. If, as is more likely, it isn't, it just shows how deeply engrained these 'threats' are in the culture.
Just the idle musings of an avid TWoPper.
http://web.archive.org/web/20140407215938/http://forums.televisionwithoutpity.com/topic/3129327-sleeper-cell/page-2
re french guy Christian:
-how similar these extremists groups are.. makes sense /~does it? maybe/ that someone could bounce from being a neo-nazi skinhead to a fanatical jihadist. They share the same pathology.
--prosandcons: And same hatred of Jews. However, in France, his intolerance of Muslims was likely higher, made more severe with his skinhead affiliation. It's interesting that the writers have allowed him to make the miraculous switch to being a Muslim and partisan of the cause, and yet retain his antipathy toward Darwin's color (that's how I read their early interaction). It was like the writers were trying to use his former skinheadism from a strictly American viewpoint (racism against blacks), when in France this would be synonymous with racism against Muslims (the majority of blacks are North African muslims).
Excellent show. I'm loving this. Kudos to Showtime for finally reaching HBO levels. I really enjoy "The L Word" and "Weeds" and find them superior to network television, but didn't find them quite as good as all the HBO shows.
8Dec re ep 1-4 'Scholar'
-prosandcons:: Anyone catch last night's episode? Personally thought it was the best yet. The religious scholar storyline was great, and Christian really seemed conflicted about killing him at the end. Sad end for the student. So did the FBI make up the story about him sending the anthrax to Jakarta as a cover? Loved the reveal on the plane with Ilija sitting there! Was hoping to see more of his romance with the girl from Tower Records but I'm sure we'll see that soon.
-At the end of ep. 4, the scene they showed again in the previouslies, Farik is aiming his gun at the kid's head, and then lowers the gun and fires, apparently shooting the kid through the RV's front grill. Is that right?
--The airbag went off, but I don't know if that would have been enough force to kill him. Maybe it knocked him out long enough for Farik to make it look like an accident.
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Wednesday, April 8, 2015
If I believed living off of organic, wildcrafted, fermented aloe vera
v good takedown* of blogger foodbabe and general uninformed pseudoscience re toxic food
http://gawker.com/the-food-babe-blogger-is-full-of-shit-1694902226
by Yvette d'Entremont whose own blog is Science Babe, << check out. right now inaccessible, almost certainly bcs so m ppl fr gawker going to it.
The word "toxic" has a meaning, and that is "having the effect of a poison." Anything can be poisonous depending on the dose.
..It's a goddamn stretch to say that sugar has deleterious effects, other th stretch your lululemons..
The average adult would need to ingest about fifty PSLs in one sitting to get a lethal dose of sugar. By that point, you would already have hyponatremia from an overdose of water in the lattes.
* lots of v positive response:
-holy crap, what a thorough post this is. My impulse to snark is shamed into submission. And also thoroughly outclassed:
The other piece of writing that she unsuccessfully attempted to cleanse from the bowels of the internet claimed that microwaves are like small nuclear reactors, and they make water crystalize [in non-beautiful ways] the same way it does when you say “Hitler” or “[Stalin]” to it, because water has ears and a grasp of early twentieth-century European dictators.More posts like this, please.
-this is how you take someone down and thoroughly discredit them.
-http//:damn. = to Yvette d'Entremont 4/06/15 4:04pm
and this comment am copying here bcs, maybe since still 'pending approval', d n show up among my 'recommended' posts on my page 'blog' [wh I selected to show recommended posts & replies, via drop down upper right menu > manage..] -- though, okay good, does show up on private view, which I was pleased to find has list of all the posts I marked ('recommendations')
http://hathawaygreen.kinja.com/private/liked
nb just ~signed into kinja yesterday, via ggl, so cld star/'recommend'/like comments.
enjoyed being able to do that 'upvote' on Disqus wh signed into during TOB, also via ggl. /note got a page re ggl open id being discontinued or sth? may want go back to look at th, bkrmkd frfx.
meanwhile I tht for a moment th maybe this cmmtr had deleted this, and wished I had noted
bcs I think is a good fair ~defense, not of foodbabe but of ppl with these concerns:
- Replied to a Post by SillyMe8
Here's the thing about obsessing about food: it's
something to obsess about. And here's the thing about poo-pooing
people's fake "allergies": sometimes they aren't actual allergies, but
they can be intolerances. A gluten allergy means that you have an immune
response to gluten. A gluten intolerance might mean that you don't
digest it well, and there are some uncomfortable side effects to that.
Allergy tests will not reveal an intolerance. Intolerance might be
caused by all kinds of things, but usually with food, it comes down to
enzymes, so lactose intolerant people lack or don't have enough
lactose-digesting enzymes. My partner is a cellular biologist (and,
unlike the author of this post, an actual PhD engaged in medical
research) and he says of things food-related digestive problems, that,
in fact, there can be lots of things going on that are hard to pin down,
moreover, people's systems change as they age. You might have been fine
with milk all through you childhood and adulthood, then hit middle age
and bam, it gives you terrible gas. As someone who suffers from a mild
form (so far) of Crohn's, I can say that just about anything might
trigger a bizarre allergic reaction (inflamation and ulcers) in me,
often in totally random-ass places, like my salivary glands two years
ago. I absolutely sympathize with anyone who feels like shit and seeks
answers in their diet because at least we can control our diet. For me,
Crohn's episodes seemed to be triggered as much by everything else going
on in my life as by my eating habits (and, ironically enough, some of
my worst health has happened when I was eating a Pollan-approved diet. I
hear some Crohn's sufferers stick to wonderbread and hot dogs, cause
there's no fiber), but food is by far the easiest thing for me to
adjust and see what happens. Unfortunately, as my partner points out,
it's not always clear what the link is between a certain food and how I
feel.
It's easy to roll our eyes at food obsessives, but lots of people get
this way because they've struggled with fatigue, spastic colon, bad
gas, and all kinds of other maladies and hope that micromanaging their
diet will give them relief. Frankly, a lot of times it does, even if its
just a placebo. I spent years feeling like maybe I was just crazy
before my partner told me, "hey: the digestive tract is still pretty
mysterious, everybody's body is different, nobody knows your body better
than you do." My PCP scheduled a sigmoidoscopy for me, once, and during
the whole set up, stripping down in front of this strange
gastroenterologist, having her lube up my ass and then insert the
camera, I listened in shame as she told me that I was basically
imagining my symptoms, or seeing problems that weren't there. Then she
saw the ulceration and scars caused by years of immune responses and
concluded that, yes, something was up. I cried when she said that. I'm a sceptic about lots of things—as I've mentioned, the perfect Crohn's diet is sometimes the very anti-healthy diet of simple carbs and animal protein—but I've had enough people roll their eyes at symptoms that could be life-threatening, but even when not that bad, are still major bummers. If I believed living off of organic, wildcrafted, fermented aloe vera would "fix" me, you better believe I'd be doing that.
If your office mates are trying to push their diets on you, fuck them, but if not, what's it to you?
another reply I like in this thread:
Oddly
enough the toxin-obsessed starvation-"cleanse" people I've encountered
also refuse to give up their Diet Coke. Like, chicken has hormones and
fruit has pesticides and they can't eat gluten and bloo bloo bloo, but by you'll have to pry that Diet Coke from their cold dead fingers.
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