www.quora.com/Is-Game-of-Thrones-heading-toward-a-war-of-the-five-queens
//ggld "war of" queens since wondering if now wld hv that, and yes comes up as already m of discussion, and sound like grrm actually had in text "war of three queens" I gather maybe Cersei Dany and Marjorie (someone says Olenna replacing Marjorie, I guess in bk marjorie is not killed as in show in sept by cersei... but anyway, the Tyrells would be against cersei and support dany just as in show, I'd think, in books do tyrells want own kingdom?
queens: Cersei v Dany only ones wanting the iron throne? then: Olenna, Ellaria, Sansa, Yara. none of these going for the throne. but I guess Robb was not either. just against (refusing the lannisters.
found answer I like,
v satisying see someone else say how completely everyone else is against Cersei:
And then in the gold corner we have QUEEN Cersei and what remains of of the Lannister forces. That's it. That is all she has at her disposal. This is being built up to be more one sided then a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass. //yes! seems to me wld be over before begun!
the North, the Riverlands+ and the Vale /wh seems to have the - most!? - sizable surviving forces, under robin technically, with littlefinger controlling, who is for now wanting to put himself with Sansa/ seem to have formed their own kingdom /int yes I suppose that is right, all uniting around Starks Winterfell Jon Sansa. a kingdom of the north and midnorth the way down.//
the Reach /Olenna Tyrell/ and Dorne /Ellaria/ are siding with Dany /specifically because Against Cersei)
and of course the Stormlands forces (of Stannis, who had also gotten
Renly's men, and anyway were entirely against Cersei) were essentially
destroyed on the Blackwater. //this seems irrelevant but ok accounts for the baratheon forces which were maybe one of strong armies; and there was lannister now not much and then the vale wh still seems to be strong.
~ the north more independent and diminished but still some. //
...who else? the iron islands wild card Euron wanted to go side with Dany but Yara beat him there, so now open to ingratiating himself with Cerei, so she might have his ships, but Dany has Yara's - even if fewer, still does little to balance out Cersei's being overwhelming outnumbered by All the other kingdoms.
Jamie said to her in season 7 premiere, when she said I am the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms: "three, at best." I cannot count even three? their own Lannister hold of Casterly Rock, the East.
vs.
the North (Starks et al) are against her, though not coming for her, focused on bigger threat.
the East - Stormlands (Dany, coming for it all).
the middle - the Reach (Olenna, joining w Dany against Cersei).
the South - Dorne (Ellaria, joining w Dany against Cersei))
that's the four distinct kingdoms, along with west casterly rock } clear five kingdoms, had had own kings, then ~ after conquest ~ of Targaryens, so several hundred years ago? ~ became lord protectorates. North South East West Middle (d n wh call the reach).
beyond that gets confusing / actually less clear in Westerosi history?
I d n think the riverlands ever counted ("making the eight", they were the eighth? ** ?
and iron islands iffy but maybe counted so that was six.
then?? Kings Landing counts? not a kingdom, right? but where Targaryen ~ Aegon the Conqueror? landed? (but, did he not land stormlands dragonstone? just claim it ** ?
Danaerys = Targaryen - claim to whole 'seven-kingdoms' Westeros iron throne; and at present in the throne in at Dragonstone - Stormlands - the West, former Baratheon kingdom).
Olenna = Tyrell - Highgarden - the Reach, the whole fruitful Inland where most food from: I thought said earlier on that KL would be at a loss without food supplies fr? even apart from forces coming against KL.
Ellaria = Martells by way of prince Oberon, king's brother) - Dorne, the South.
+ who are Lords of Riverlands now? Tullys all? gone killed by Lannister forces last
season, when Freys were failing to take back the Tully castle
anyway
now the Lannister allies the Freys of nearish the Twins are gone, killed by Starks ie Arya.
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whole answer
https://www.quora.com/Is-Game-of-Thrones-heading-toward-a-war-of-the-five-queens/answer/Joseph-Anthony-30
We are definitely heading towards another southron war or battle over the iron throne, of that we can be certain. Whether its called the war of five queens however is up for debate. Lets break it down shall we.
In the red corner we we have the QUEEN Daenerys Stormborn of the house Targaryen. A lady of a thousand titles she is ready to rain down fire and blood on anyone who gets in her way.
Accompanying her on her noble quest are the QUEEN of thorns and Princess (I think that's her title now) Ellaria Sand who are both hell-bent on exacting revenge on the bitches that stole ones they love also known as the Lannisters. As for Yara she's just trying to evade her uncle. She is no queen just a hard-ass seadog looking to reclaim the iron islands.
And then in the gold corner we have QUEEN Cersei and what remains of of the Lannister forces. That's it. That is all she has at her disposal. After all the north, the riverlands and the vale seem to have formed their own kingdom, the reach and Dorne are siding with Dany and of course the Stormlands forces were essentially destroyed on the Blackwater.
This is being built up to be more one sided then a kid burning ants with a magnifying glass.
As for Sansa she is no queen nor is she heading south anytime soon. She is siding with Jon and as a result their major concern is based beyond the wall defending the realms of gods and men from the others.
So finally if we are going to be technical the upcoming southron battle is titled exactly the same as it is in the books, as the war of three queens. Only this time Margaery is being substituted with her grandma Olenna.
Thankyou for the A2A.
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Sunday, July 23, 2017
Friday, July 21, 2017
Je prends un femme sur deux pour toi.// Serbian movie Zena sa slomljenim nosem
Zena sa slomljenim nosem (2010) /imdb for Serbian title/
The Woman with a Broken Nose
//on prime july17 this d not show expiring, good.
here by way I think of greek movie September wh is expiring, saw on expiringonamazonprime (and that not v appeal but int bcs greek.)
now v int in this Zena sa slomljenim nosem bcs lkd at ytube trailer link below and loved th
subtitles auf Deutsch and in French :)
eg: Ich sehe dich in jeder zweiten Frau.
Je prends un femme sur deux pour toi.
//ever other woman // :) only // the french is y prettier. femme m nicer than frau. and Je prend appre(he)nd
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B01GSZAV5E
Branko's Bridge in Belgrade: from taxi, woman with a broken nose suddenly jumps out and throws herself off. Three people witness the event: depressed school teacher Anica, wacky pharmacist Biljana, along w surly taxi-driver Gavrilo.
starring: Nebojsa Glogovac, Anica Dobra, Branka Katic
-why is branka katic always that beautiful...? } cmmt on below ytube
wkp- Branka Katić - Biljana // I like lks to me lks bit like Tatiana Maslany
az cmmts
-Very much like the movie Crash, where all these lives converge. So the coincidences can be a bit much unless one thinks it's all about "destiny" and is a microcosm that represents the nation in some way.
-Plot moves fast. Three people, all connected by the witnessing of a woman jumping over a bridge.
each holding on to painful experiences.
School teacher Anica (Anica Dobra) lost her child, death four yrs ago in a car accident. Pharmacist Biljana (Branka Katić) lost love of her life died in the war. Anica and Biljana develop a friendship and help each other overcome their pain. Taxi driver Gavrilo (played sensitively by Nebojša Glogovac, a Serb)is Bosnian, lost family in the war. neighbors still call him "the Bosnian guy" as he carries a 9mm.//*// Gavrilo is the biggest character. scruffy recluse, wld like be left alone, learns to open up w people /but suddenly has to care for an infant?/ — how he achieves that is the big story behind this movie that ends with one unfinished question.
very tenderly done among all the soot and decay of Belgrade, a city that still seems to wince from their last war. It rains a lot in the outdoor scenes. Rain represents a renewal, a cleansing of sort, and it's clear the rain has worked in the end.
//*how does carrying weapon make him Bosnian. I guess bcs fought on that side? are bosnia and serbia now at peace, in Belgrade (wh was Yugoslavia, is now Bosnia-Herzgovinia what?)//.
// I love that this trailer has subtitles auf Deutsch and in French so I can triangulate translate//
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlegA3zusG4
The Woman with a Broken Nose
A film by Srdjan Koljevic
With Nebojsa Glogovac, Anica Dobra, Branka Katic
. 2010, 101 min
Zurich Film Festival 2010:
Golden Eye Award best feature film
just before her wedding is suddenly realized the attractive pharmacist Biljana to a Others. The young teacher Anica finally manages to reconcile herself with her past. From one day to the next, the taxi driver Gavrilo is responsible for a baby.
Biljana, Anica and Gavrilo are at the center of "The Woman with a Broken Nose". They do not know each other, they meet by chance when a young woman falls from a bridge when the rain falls. The paths of the three cross each other from time to time, sometimes accidentally, sometimes deliberately.
Biljana, Anica and Gavrilo are always on the bridge over the Belgrade Bridge, a symbol of the situation in a city where people are shuttling between standstill and departure ... Director and screenwriter Srđan Koljević has worked for "Woman with a Broken Nose" won the Golden Eye Award for the best feature film at the Zurich Film Festival 2010. He tells a story about missed opportunities, new possibilities, the pursuit of happiness, about detachment and commitment - subtly staged, carefully equipped, touching and with lots of wit. Director and Screenwriter Srđan Koljević won the Golden Eye Award for the best feature film for "Woman with a Broken Nose" at the Zurich Film Festival 2010. He tells a story about missed opportunities, new possibilities, the pursuit of happiness, about detachment and commitment - subtly staged, carefully equipped, touching and with lots of wit. Director and Screenwriter Srđan Koljević won the Golden Eye Award for the best feature film for "Woman with a Broken Nose" at the Zurich Film Festival 2010. He tells a story about missed opportunities, new possibilities, the pursuit of happiness, a
^ ggl translate of
Ein Film von Srdjan Koljevic
Mit Nebojsa Glogovac, Anica Dobra, Branka Katic
2010, 101 Min.
Zurich Film Festival 2010:
Golden Eye Award bester Spielfilm
Kurz vor ihrer Hochzeit wird der attraktiven Apothekerin Biljana schlagartig klar, dass sie einen anderen liebt. Der jungen Lehrerin Anica gelingt es endlich, sich mit ihrer Vergangenheit zu versöhnen. Von einem Tag auf den anderen ist der bindungsscheue Taxifahrer Gavrilo für ein Baby verantwortlich.
Biljana, Anica und Gavrilo stehen im Zentrum von «The Woman with a Broken Nose». Sie kennen sich nicht, begegnen sich per Zufall, als sich eine junge Frau bei strömendem Regen von einer Brücke stürzt. Die Wege der drei kreuzen sich fortan, mal zufällig, mal absichtlich. Während im Radio fröhliche Balkan-Schlager erklingen, fahren Biljana, Anica und Gavrilo immer wieder über die Belgrad-Brücke - Sinnbild für die Situation in einer Stadt, in der die Menschen zwischen Stillstand und Aufbruch pendeln...
Regisseur und Drehbuchautor Srđan Koljević hat für «Woman with a Broken Nose» am Zurich Film Festival 2010 den Golden Eye Award für den besten Spielfilm gewonnen. Er erzählt eine Geschichte über verpasste Chancen, neue Möglichkeiten, das Streben nach Glück, über Loslösung und Verbindlichkeit - subtil inszeniert, sorgfältig ausgestattet, berührend und mit viel Witz.
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The Woman with a Broken Nose
//on prime july17 this d not show expiring, good.
here by way I think of greek movie September wh is expiring, saw on expiringonamazonprime (and that not v appeal but int bcs greek.)
now v int in this Zena sa slomljenim nosem bcs lkd at ytube trailer link below and loved th
subtitles auf Deutsch and in French :)
eg: Ich sehe dich in jeder zweiten Frau.
Je prends un femme sur deux pour toi.
//ever other woman // :) only // the french is y prettier. femme m nicer than frau. and Je prend appre(he)nd
https://www.amazon.com/gp/video/detail/B01GSZAV5E
Branko's Bridge in Belgrade: from taxi, woman with a broken nose suddenly jumps out and throws herself off. Three people witness the event: depressed school teacher Anica, wacky pharmacist Biljana, along w surly taxi-driver Gavrilo.
starring: Nebojsa Glogovac, Anica Dobra, Branka Katic
-why is branka katic always that beautiful...? } cmmt on below ytube
wkp- Branka Katić - Biljana // I like lks to me lks bit like Tatiana Maslany
az cmmts
-Very much like the movie Crash, where all these lives converge. So the coincidences can be a bit much unless one thinks it's all about "destiny" and is a microcosm that represents the nation in some way.
-Plot moves fast. Three people, all connected by the witnessing of a woman jumping over a bridge.
each holding on to painful experiences.
School teacher Anica (Anica Dobra) lost her child, death four yrs ago in a car accident. Pharmacist Biljana (Branka Katić) lost love of her life died in the war. Anica and Biljana develop a friendship and help each other overcome their pain. Taxi driver Gavrilo (played sensitively by Nebojša Glogovac, a Serb)is Bosnian, lost family in the war. neighbors still call him "the Bosnian guy" as he carries a 9mm.//*// Gavrilo is the biggest character. scruffy recluse, wld like be left alone, learns to open up w people /but suddenly has to care for an infant?/ — how he achieves that is the big story behind this movie that ends with one unfinished question.
very tenderly done among all the soot and decay of Belgrade, a city that still seems to wince from their last war. It rains a lot in the outdoor scenes. Rain represents a renewal, a cleansing of sort, and it's clear the rain has worked in the end.
//*how does carrying weapon make him Bosnian. I guess bcs fought on that side? are bosnia and serbia now at peace, in Belgrade (wh was Yugoslavia, is now Bosnia-Herzgovinia what?)//.
// I love that this trailer has subtitles auf Deutsch and in French so I can triangulate translate//
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LlegA3zusG4
The Woman with a Broken Nose
A film by Srdjan Koljevic
With Nebojsa Glogovac, Anica Dobra, Branka Katic
. 2010, 101 min
Zurich Film Festival 2010:
Golden Eye Award best feature film
just before her wedding is suddenly realized the attractive pharmacist Biljana to a Others. The young teacher Anica finally manages to reconcile herself with her past. From one day to the next, the taxi driver Gavrilo is responsible for a baby.
Biljana, Anica and Gavrilo are at the center of "The Woman with a Broken Nose". They do not know each other, they meet by chance when a young woman falls from a bridge when the rain falls. The paths of the three cross each other from time to time, sometimes accidentally, sometimes deliberately.
Biljana, Anica and Gavrilo are always on the bridge over the Belgrade Bridge, a symbol of the situation in a city where people are shuttling between standstill and departure ... Director and screenwriter Srđan Koljević has worked for "Woman with a Broken Nose" won the Golden Eye Award for the best feature film at the Zurich Film Festival 2010. He tells a story about missed opportunities, new possibilities, the pursuit of happiness, about detachment and commitment - subtly staged, carefully equipped, touching and with lots of wit. Director and Screenwriter Srđan Koljević won the Golden Eye Award for the best feature film for "Woman with a Broken Nose" at the Zurich Film Festival 2010. He tells a story about missed opportunities, new possibilities, the pursuit of happiness, about detachment and commitment - subtly staged, carefully equipped, touching and with lots of wit. Director and Screenwriter Srđan Koljević won the Golden Eye Award for the best feature film for "Woman with a Broken Nose" at the Zurich Film Festival 2010. He tells a story about missed opportunities, new possibilities, the pursuit of happiness, a
^ ggl translate of
Ein Film von Srdjan Koljevic
Mit Nebojsa Glogovac, Anica Dobra, Branka Katic
2010, 101 Min.
Zurich Film Festival 2010:
Golden Eye Award bester Spielfilm
Kurz vor ihrer Hochzeit wird der attraktiven Apothekerin Biljana schlagartig klar, dass sie einen anderen liebt. Der jungen Lehrerin Anica gelingt es endlich, sich mit ihrer Vergangenheit zu versöhnen. Von einem Tag auf den anderen ist der bindungsscheue Taxifahrer Gavrilo für ein Baby verantwortlich.
Biljana, Anica und Gavrilo stehen im Zentrum von «The Woman with a Broken Nose». Sie kennen sich nicht, begegnen sich per Zufall, als sich eine junge Frau bei strömendem Regen von einer Brücke stürzt. Die Wege der drei kreuzen sich fortan, mal zufällig, mal absichtlich. Während im Radio fröhliche Balkan-Schlager erklingen, fahren Biljana, Anica und Gavrilo immer wieder über die Belgrad-Brücke - Sinnbild für die Situation in einer Stadt, in der die Menschen zwischen Stillstand und Aufbruch pendeln...
Regisseur und Drehbuchautor Srđan Koljević hat für «Woman with a Broken Nose» am Zurich Film Festival 2010 den Golden Eye Award für den besten Spielfilm gewonnen. Er erzählt eine Geschichte über verpasste Chancen, neue Möglichkeiten, das Streben nach Glück, über Loslösung und Verbindlichkeit - subtil inszeniert, sorgfältig ausgestattet, berührend und mit viel Witz.
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Sunday, July 2, 2017
Pinboard acquired del.icio.us 1 June 2017 now as of 15 June closed read-only
It's the end of an era, as Pinboard buys and shutters del.icio.us (UPDATED):
It’s the end of the road for social bookmarking website del.icio.us. // it frickin went back to that url! huh! in April 2016, so a year ago (guess I haven't done one occasional pgmrk in a year!) //
After almost fifteen years, the site has been acquired by rival Pinboard, and will be shuttered on June 15, when it goes into read-only mode. While the site will continue to be viewable, users won’t be able to save any new bookmarks.
//how long will it remain up in read only mode? *****
///wh are options for importing bkmrks?
mine are imported ~ fr beginning? successfully retaining notes and tags? - up until they discontinued the auto-mirroring in 2014. so, ten years.
Del.icio.us pioneered the social bookmarking paradigm. /well flickr too right, what is going on now w flickr? and wh were the other early sites w tags?// Its influence can be seen everywhere, from Reddit to Twitter.
Over its long life //del.icio.us started 2004? I think that's when I started using it... ok per wkp sept 2003. wow so now has been nearly 14 years//, it changed hands several times. Firstly, to Yahoo, who spent between $15 million and $30 million on it. After several years of mismanagement, Yahoo sold it to the /ytube founder guys, right? who had sold ytube to ggl/ Chad Hurley and Steve Chen-owned AVOS Systems, who then offloaded it to Science, Inc, who in turn sold it to Delicious Media, a short-lived alliance between Domainersuite and Science Inc. And now, it’s at its final destination: Pinboard.
Pinboard’s decision to acquire del.icio.us is shrewd. Firstly, the two sites are inextricably linked. After del.icio.us was acquired by AVOS Systems in 2011, users fled to Pinboard in droves over complaints AVOS was fundamentally changing the makeup of the site. // the guy who made pinboard said ~ he was starting it bcs d n like changes, was making own that was like the first early dlcs//
By purchasing del.icio.us, Pinboard is able to coax the few remaining del.icio.us users to jump ship. Depending on how much Pinboard paid for the site, how many users remain, and how many users Pinboard is able to convert, this could be a financially lucrative move. A Pinboard subscription costs $11 per annum. We’ve reached out to Pinboard for a statement. If we hear back from them, we’ll update this post. UPDATE: I just spoke to Pinboard founder Maciej Cegłowski. In a statement, he said “I am the greatest.” Ceglowski also confirmed the purchase price for del.icio.us, which was $35,000. // down from 15+million! that yahoo paid in.. 2005 (it was that early? I guess they d n develop it though. wh was good for ppl liked it way it was. so did it have that streamlined purple and text look until Avos bought it?? in 2011 ? ... I've got losts of notes here on 2011 if I want to revisit dlcs hist wrt my experience of it...
https://pinboard.in/u:mcassimatis/
@Pinboard
Retweeted
Pinboard @Pinboard
The@verge interviews Britta and me about fandom and buying back @delicious
// buying *back* //
/// Britta! I think that's who I went back & forth w? she was on dlcs
support team - I prob have dlcs pgmrks documenting that. and or dlww.
yeah pretty sure... maybe started actually bcs she responded to one of my dlcs pgmrks tagged dlcs :) and I always liked that kind of communication, like someone heard me talking to myself and took an interest... (oh I wasn't talking only to myself, it's not really just me here) ///
The founder of Pinboard on why understanding fandom is good for business - The Verge:
The AVOS redesign made it impossible to tag or search for anything with a / in it [as used for slash fic]. //huh. I guess no problm for me that I use that all the time in notes. bcs I d n search for it. it's a spacing representation. actually did I start using that on dlcs? bcs cld not do line breaks? wh then after avos redesign maybe cld.//
A single symbol turned into a huge opportunity for Delicious’ growing rival, Pinboard. Cegłowski was only positioned to notice this with the help of former Delicious community manager Britta Gustafson. She taught him about fandom, and how fans had once made Delicious’ platform work for them as a way to organize hundreds of thousands of pieces of fan fiction. “As community manager,” Gustafson explained to The Verge in an email, “I heard a lot of friendly and thorough bug reports from fandom users, and I got curious about what they were bookmarking. Learning about it showed me that the fandom community was really interesting, lively, and thoughtful — a whole secret world of women like me who liked internet stuff, feminism, queerness, science fiction. I was just an amused and impressed observer.” Gustafson began participating in fandom herself, and encouraged Cegłowski to embrace the fandom community. As a token of thanks, Cegłowski has given her control of the now-useless Delicious social media accounts. She posts from them for fun, but notes that the end of Delicious as a fandom community is a bit of a soft spot. As with many corporate redesigns of once-niche products, “[It] hurts to see a thing you built turn into a weird undead zombie.”
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Pinboard Acquires Delicious
blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious
Pinboard has acquired Delicious. Here’s what you need to know:
If you’re a Pinboard user, nothing will change. Sad! // :)
If you’re a Delicious user, you will have to find another place to save your bookmarks. The site will stay online. but on June 15, I will put Delicious into read-only mode. You won't be able to save new bookmarks after that date, or use the API.
Users will have an opportunity to migrate their bookmarks to a Pinboard account, which costs $11/year. Those who prefer to bookmark elsewhere will be able to export their data once I fix the export link, which was disabled some months ago for peformance reasons.
Please note that there is no time pressure for moving off Delicious. //his bolding. I like this guy a lot. again, like I did back when first appreciating pinbrd.//
You won't be able to save new bookmarks after June 15, but everything else will continue to work, or break in familiar ways. // :)
As for the ultimate fate of the site, I'll have more to say about that soon.
Delicious has over a billion bookmarks and is a fascinating piece of web history. Even Yahoo, for whom mismanagement is usually effortless, had to work hard to keep Delicious down. // :) //
I bought it in part so it wouldn’t disappear from the web.
This is the fifth time Delicious has been sold.
Founded in 2003, the site received funding from Union Square Ventures in 2005, and sold to Yahoo later that year for somewhere between $15-$30M. //sale 1 to yahoo.
In December of 2010, Yahoo announced it was ‘sunsetting’ Delicious, an adventure I wrote about at length. The site was sold to the YouTube founders in 2011. [Avos systems /but yes saying 'the ytube founders' is more to the pnt] // sale 2 to Avos.
They subsequently sold it to Science, Inc. in 2014. //sale 3. at this pnt I was not tuned in enough to even know this had happened (even belatedly. until now).
Science sold it to Delicious Media in 2016 //sale 4 and as above Dlcs Media was a Science Inc together w another group//, and last month Delicious Media sold it to me.
Do not attempt to compete with Pinboard. // :)
it's pretty great.
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happily: frfx has my info. login is w username. mcassimatis.
then t7. ---#--- well, prob will want change that ~ to dlcs. Evthatht---# /no cap on the a just the frst.
It’s the end of the road for social bookmarking website del.icio.us. // it frickin went back to that url! huh! in April 2016, so a year ago (guess I haven't done one occasional pgmrk in a year!) //
After almost fifteen years, the site has been acquired by rival Pinboard, and will be shuttered on June 15, when it goes into read-only mode. While the site will continue to be viewable, users won’t be able to save any new bookmarks.
//how long will it remain up in read only mode? *****
///wh are options for importing bkmrks?
mine are imported ~ fr beginning? successfully retaining notes and tags? - up until they discontinued the auto-mirroring in 2014. so, ten years.
Del.icio.us pioneered the social bookmarking paradigm. /well flickr too right, what is going on now w flickr? and wh were the other early sites w tags?// Its influence can be seen everywhere, from Reddit to Twitter.
Over its long life //del.icio.us started 2004? I think that's when I started using it... ok per wkp sept 2003. wow so now has been nearly 14 years//, it changed hands several times. Firstly, to Yahoo, who spent between $15 million and $30 million on it. After several years of mismanagement, Yahoo sold it to the /ytube founder guys, right? who had sold ytube to ggl/ Chad Hurley and Steve Chen-owned AVOS Systems, who then offloaded it to Science, Inc, who in turn sold it to Delicious Media, a short-lived alliance between Domainersuite and Science Inc. And now, it’s at its final destination: Pinboard.
Pinboard’s decision to acquire del.icio.us is shrewd. Firstly, the two sites are inextricably linked. After del.icio.us was acquired by AVOS Systems in 2011, users fled to Pinboard in droves over complaints AVOS was fundamentally changing the makeup of the site. // the guy who made pinboard said ~ he was starting it bcs d n like changes, was making own that was like the first early dlcs//
By purchasing del.icio.us, Pinboard is able to coax the few remaining del.icio.us users to jump ship. Depending on how much Pinboard paid for the site, how many users remain, and how many users Pinboard is able to convert, this could be a financially lucrative move. A Pinboard subscription costs $11 per annum. We’ve reached out to Pinboard for a statement. If we hear back from them, we’ll update this post. UPDATE: I just spoke to Pinboard founder Maciej Cegłowski. In a statement, he said “I am the greatest.” Ceglowski also confirmed the purchase price for del.icio.us, which was $35,000. // down from 15+million! that yahoo paid in.. 2005 (it was that early? I guess they d n develop it though. wh was good for ppl liked it way it was. so did it have that streamlined purple and text look until Avos bought it?? in 2011 ? ... I've got losts of notes here on 2011 if I want to revisit dlcs hist wrt my experience of it...
https://pinboard.in/u:mcassimatis/
✭ del.icio.us/mcassimatis m cassimatis's Bookmarks (User mcassimatis)
Links 1 through 10 of 14931 m cassimatis's
Bookmarks // 14931 pgmrks. on pinboard (before adding this pgmrk) I
have 14623. so 308 on dlcs that are not on pinbrd. 27 Sept 2014 was most
recent on pinboard (Riding the Rap Elmore Leonard in Nyr). right bcs as
of sept14 pinbrd stopped auto mirroring wh I posted to dlcs. so pgmrkd
308 to dlcs since then. (most likely. if initially I had successfully
brought over all fr dlcs fr beginning). 8 June 2016 was most recent on
dlcs. (re alluc ads z1606 tele-v web). hmm just read th site went back
to url del.icio.us Apr16, so how did I not encounter that? my frfx
bkmrklt still worked? or I made it just under the wire :) and then did
not pgmrk anyth since! had gone to just ~ occasional use as of when,
2009? lots of prmks 2004-2008/9. then occasional, saving to pinbrd as
well until sept14. then sept14 - apr16 added 308 pgmrks to dlcs that I
ought export to pinbrd (and save elsewh). //nb right now this is post
directly to pinboard, for first time, or maybe I posted a few directly
back when joined? but ~ right off? ~ I found cld set up pinbrd so as to
mirror dlcs, so went on posting there so as to use both. thanks to
pinboard making this easy, whereas was not clear cld do the reverse.
and I always liked pinboard very much. grateful for it. missed that
first dlcs look, simplicity, text-focus, less 'social', more about
information. //today I tried to load dlcs and it did not. bcs now at
del.icio.us! and in lkg up, found this news that pinboard acquired
dlcs. seems crazy full circle to del.icio.us and then a sort of spiral
where pinbrd came about to replace original dlcs and now takes it over.
closing it, making read only. so users who still want to use it have
option of joining pinboard $11 per year. I'm happy I have an account
from early! non annual. since evidently I do not keep up, now can go
months or year without using. maybe do donate sometime. maybe now will
resume pgmrks again. try on phone. m.pinboard.in //aw this worked. I'm
moved <3 has my tags. my frfx post-pin bkmrklt in bkmrk bar works.
aw thanks. I'm happy. it's like a way of life (as interface!) that I
remember, that was a loss, is not lost. in search of lost pgmrking.
lost keeping.
z1707
dlcs
web
a
my
huh over at dlcs it did let me edit:
huh over at dlcs it did let me edit:
mcassimatis
[webpage title line: empty-filename] www.alluc.ee/l/empty-filename/o4mj2irp
[url] www.alluc.ee
1 Save This link recently saved by mcassimatis on June 08, 2016
_________________ reading around about this, just a bit tonight, read more...
......twitter........
Sort of a zombie? But the friendly kind. (Recent posts are by a very-long-ago former Delicious team member.) See also: [webpage title line: empty-filename] www.alluc.ee/l/empty-filename/o4mj2irp
[url] www.alluc.ee
1 Save This link recently saved by mcassimatis on June 08, 2016
for no ads ever again 'click here' on alluc. simply
share on some social network, we'll remember it and not show ads again
in this browser (in chrome at moment.) cool that dlcs came up under
more(193)all
//hm. can I still edit this? today is 3 July 2017. site went to read-only on 15 June, after acquired by Pinboard on 1 June 2017. // and prior to that on April 24, 2016, it went back to del.icio.us which is cool and which I did not know, how did I post this link In June, but not know that? maybe I was unsurprised to find my post bkmrklt not working and I went to dlcs.com and there was a redirect at that time and I manually entered the link... oh I don't know.
//hm. can I still edit this? today is 3 July 2017. site went to read-only on 15 June, after acquired by Pinboard on 1 June 2017. // and prior to that on April 24, 2016, it went back to del.icio.us which is cool and which I did not know, how did I post this link In June, but not know that? maybe I was unsurprised to find my post bkmrklt not working and I went to dlcs.com and there was a redirect at that time and I manually entered the link... oh I don't know.
_________________ reading around about this, just a bit tonight, read more...
......twitter........
Retweeted
Pinboard @Pinboard The
// buying *back* //
/// Britta! I think that's who I went back & forth w? she was on dlcs
support team - I prob have dlcs pgmrks documenting that. and or dlww.
yeah pretty sure... maybe started actually bcs she responded to one of my dlcs pgmrks tagged dlcs :) and I always liked that kind of communication, like someone heard me talking to myself and took an interest... (oh I wasn't talking only to myself, it's not really just me here) ///
The founder of Pinboard on why understanding fandom is good for business - The Verge:
The AVOS redesign made it impossible to tag or search for anything with a / in it [as used for slash fic]. //huh. I guess no problm for me that I use that all the time in notes. bcs I d n search for it. it's a spacing representation. actually did I start using that on dlcs? bcs cld not do line breaks? wh then after avos redesign maybe cld.//
A single symbol turned into a huge opportunity for Delicious’ growing rival, Pinboard. Cegłowski was only positioned to notice this with the help of former Delicious community manager Britta Gustafson. She taught him about fandom, and how fans had once made Delicious’ platform work for them as a way to organize hundreds of thousands of pieces of fan fiction. “As community manager,” Gustafson explained to The Verge in an email, “I heard a lot of friendly and thorough bug reports from fandom users, and I got curious about what they were bookmarking. Learning about it showed me that the fandom community was really interesting, lively, and thoughtful — a whole secret world of women like me who liked internet stuff, feminism, queerness, science fiction. I was just an amused and impressed observer.” Gustafson began participating in fandom herself, and encouraged Cegłowski to embrace the fandom community. As a token of thanks, Cegłowski has given her control of the now-useless Delicious social media accounts. She posts from them for fun, but notes that the end of Delicious as a fandom community is a bit of a soft spot. As with many corporate redesigns of once-niche products, “[It] hurts to see a thing you built turn into a weird undead zombie.”
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Pinboard Acquires Delicious
blog.pinboard.in/2017/06/pinboard_acquires_delicious
Pinboard has acquired Delicious. Here’s what you need to know:
If you’re a Pinboard user, nothing will change. Sad! // :)
If you’re a Delicious user, you will have to find another place to save your bookmarks. The site will stay online. but on June 15, I will put Delicious into read-only mode. You won't be able to save new bookmarks after that date, or use the API.
Users will have an opportunity to migrate their bookmarks to a Pinboard account, which costs $11/year. Those who prefer to bookmark elsewhere will be able to export their data once I fix the export link, which was disabled some months ago for peformance reasons.
Please note that there is no time pressure for moving off Delicious. //his bolding. I like this guy a lot. again, like I did back when first appreciating pinbrd.//
You won't be able to save new bookmarks after June 15, but everything else will continue to work, or break in familiar ways. // :)
As for the ultimate fate of the site, I'll have more to say about that soon.
Delicious has over a billion bookmarks and is a fascinating piece of web history. Even Yahoo, for whom mismanagement is usually effortless, had to work hard to keep Delicious down. // :) //
I bought it in part so it wouldn’t disappear from the web.
This is the fifth time Delicious has been sold.
Founded in 2003, the site received funding from Union Square Ventures in 2005, and sold to Yahoo later that year for somewhere between $15-$30M. //sale 1 to yahoo.
In December of 2010, Yahoo announced it was ‘sunsetting’ Delicious, an adventure I wrote about at length. The site was sold to the YouTube founders in 2011. [Avos systems /but yes saying 'the ytube founders' is more to the pnt] // sale 2 to Avos.
They subsequently sold it to Science, Inc. in 2014. //sale 3. at this pnt I was not tuned in enough to even know this had happened (even belatedly. until now).
Science sold it to Delicious Media in 2016 //sale 4 and as above Dlcs Media was a Science Inc together w another group//, and last month Delicious Media sold it to me.
Do not attempt to compete with Pinboard. // :)
—maciej on June 01, 2017
it's pretty great.
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happily: frfx has my info. login is w username. mcassimatis.
then t7. ---#--- well, prob will want change that ~ to dlcs. Evthatht---# /no cap on the a just the frst.
Saturday, July 1, 2017
series finale of Pretty Little Liars is the most-tweeted episode of TV
[ PLL social media /not just huge success twitter tumblr. participated in, shaped for and by. right? how say? in re "fans really wanted this" re plot, couples (when did 'ship' become verb? during this show? I dn think ppl talked re 'shipping' in re eg Lost) / writ for them (like the female novelist to men: of crs you like it, it's written for you)
The series finale of Pretty Little Liars broke records. As of now, it's the most-tweeted episode of TV with 1.7 million tweets globally. Pretty Little Liars wrapped up with 1.4 million viewers in live + dame day and a .7 rating in the adults 18-49 demographic.
http://www.eonline.com/news/864037/was-pretty-little-liars-big-twist-hiding-on-troian-bellisario-s-twitter-this-whole-time
most tweeted tv ep ever?! // Was Pretty Little Liars twist on Troian's Twitter ~ | E! News // broke records. As of now, it's the most-tweeted episode of TV with 1.7 million tweets globally. /well I guess what wld I think wld be tweeted more///
ggl: pretty little liars first show twitter tumblr
to
http://ew.com/article/2013/02/20/this-weeks-cover-how-pretty-little-liars-changed-tv/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tahliapritchard/the-gummy-bears-needed-to-get-through-this-show
I like #3 Ezra saying who he is; #4 Ali being honest re what she has to apologize for (here, to Aria)
#23 The girls can't spill coffee without A being like "Need a napkin? -A"
#6 = http://beccafromaphistory.tumblr.com/post/114602601804/pll-season-1-four-girls-are-cyberbullied-and-deal
happened, by way of looking for that ^, on:
https://thebestplltheories.tumblr.com/post/162333024068/farewell-pretty-little-liars
Shoutout to my sister, for indirectly introducing me to Pretty Little Liars, but shame on you for making me feel less masculine just because I enjoyed the murder mystery of a show with female leads. I never shamed her for liking Harry Potter; a movie series with mostly male leads. As of June 8 2010, Pretty Little Liars was my secret.
I started watching this show when I was 13, and I am now 19. Just to visually see this: Pretty Little Liars was with me while I was 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19.
All while PLL was on the air, I graduated from primary school and high school, started university, got my driver’s license, my first job, credit card, car, gone overseas by myself, and made life-long friendships. Achieving all that never was easy, but it was made easier by PLL. If I ever struggled in my personal development, I always had PLL to fall back upon for psychological stability and security, aside from general entertainment. A part of me sees the end of PLL as if the training wheels are coming off my bike: for 7 years, I was learning how to become a young man, and now that I finally am one, I no longer need this safety rock that is PLL in order to continue developing.
ggl pretty little liars social media
http://mashable.com/2017/06/28/pretty-little-liars-twitter-showrunner-social-media-tv/
http://www.thewrap.com/the-secrets-to-abc-familys-success-how-the-networks-tv-shows-played-social-media-and-won/
................................
@jacobtwop
http://thedayislikewidewater.blogspot.com/search?q=%22to+what+end%22
Pretty Little Liars 2-19 recap - Challenged A -by Jacob | TWoP p14
d n so love this as to copy all here but of course did like refrain "Why? To what end?" and putting here bcs keep thinking that
WINE PATIO the girls' moms gather during break from leading Truth Up activities
Ashley: "I think this Truth Up thing is probably a good idea. Lots of secrets and lying and whatnot."
Ella: "I believe Hanna. I don't think she did it. It could very well just be someone trying to make her look bad."
Veronica, verbatim: "Why? To what end?"
...
FLASHBACK
Ali was at Spencer's, doing magazine quizzes and reading about German cannibals as you do, while downstairs the Hastingses were having at it.:
Alison: "Ready for this? Some dude in Germany went on a dating website and advertised for someone he could kill and eat."
(I am like obsessed with that case to this day. I don't even get why people like to get slapped around in bed, much less why you would want to eat somebody. It's not a lateral move, I'm not saying that exactly, but for me they are similarly confusing. Why? How come? To what end?)
DINNER
Liars: "Okay but to what end? Why would A go to all that trouble to Photoshop her body, if the aim was to humiliate her?"
Hanna: "You guys, clearly this is Kate's doing. It wasn't A. It's not always A."
Hanna: "You know, maybe it's time I really took a picture of you, Kate. Aria, can I borrow your phone?" (The girls all come out of stalls holding their cameras.)
Aria: "Yeah, in a minute. I'm using it though. To record this conversation."
See, how much better would that have been if she left off the last clause? Always with the extra bit. Always that extra feather, danglin' from your business. (To what end?)
Hostile Noel Kahn: "Looking for somebody?"
Uncurious Aria: "Sorry, I thought Caleb was in here?"
Hostile Noel Kahn: "He's not."
Both Of Them Creeps: "Is he missing? Hope so. Maybe somebody threw him out with the rest of the garbage."
Aria, awesomely: "Yeah, okay. Well, if he comes back here...?"
I love that. Trapped in a dark room with Noel Kahn plus Jenna Marshall? Fuck it. This is the scariest thing that's possibly ever going to happen, so whatever. Stay frosty, Sodapop.
ROOFTOP SHENANIGANS
It's not the plastic sheeting! It's a variety of people. First it is A, then it is Noel Kahn, then maybe Holden. So many boys wandering around on the roof, none of them Caleb. None of them the plastic sheeting.
//see, about how series ended, all the As all the tormenters were other girls/ women. never men.
I liked the read of this as girls growing up watched, stalked 'creeped on', like life of young girl always feel threatened. *by men* (mainly) though, right??
///and how this goes on right alongside daily life ~normal~ being into teenage things lipstick etc whatever at same time
/lipstick reminds me book how in first place this series so over-the-top put together marketing like advertisement, saying brands etc like: Hannah reached into her ~ kate spade or whatever brand green limited whatever year edition specific style purse and removed her peach glint whatever brand lipstick, to carefully apply a fresh coat. !
//and so maybe fitting that as a series this became ~ the first overt to such extent fandom-participating show. ~~~~ selling something ~~~~ (in social media the price paid, by fans, is attention? in tweets etc)
Well, it's not long before Aria loses her shit and just starts climbing up a chimney, so Noel Kahn tries to pull her down again.
[then Holden...]
Aria: "Where did you learn to kick somebody like that? Portugal? Or wait, is this part of the Secret? Your bruise? Did somebody jump on you like that? To what end?"
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The series finale of Pretty Little Liars broke records. As of now, it's the most-tweeted episode of TV with 1.7 million tweets globally. Pretty Little Liars wrapped up with 1.4 million viewers in live + dame day and a .7 rating in the adults 18-49 demographic.
http://www.eonline.com/news/864037/was-pretty-little-liars-big-twist-hiding-on-troian-bellisario-s-twitter-this-whole-time
most tweeted tv ep ever?! // Was Pretty Little Liars twist on Troian's Twitter ~ | E! News // broke records. As of now, it's the most-tweeted episode of TV with 1.7 million tweets globally. /well I guess what wld I think wld be tweeted more///
ggl: pretty little liars first show twitter tumblr
to
Millennial Fandom: Television Audiences in the Transmedia Age
By Louisa Ellen Steinhttps://books.google.com/books?id=-J5UCgAAQBAJ&pg=PA216&lpg=PA216&dq=pretty+little+liars+first+show+twitter+tumblr&source=bl&ots=pPT2-bRV9J&sig=TnJHuE_fiBq0A9_cAAoSppV_Ds0&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiEl9GwgenUAhXCVz4KHZMDDycQ6AEIRDAI#v=onepage&q=pretty%20little%20liars%20&f=falsehttp://ew.com/article/2013/02/20/this-weeks-cover-how-pretty-little-liars-changed-tv/
https://www.buzzfeed.com/tahliapritchard/the-gummy-bears-needed-to-get-through-this-show
I like #3 Ezra saying who he is; #4 Ali being honest re what she has to apologize for (here, to Aria)
#23 The girls can't spill coffee without A being like "Need a napkin? -A"
#6 = http://beccafromaphistory.tumblr.com/post/114602601804/pll-season-1-four-girls-are-cyberbullied-and-deal
happened, by way of looking for that ^, on:
https://thebestplltheories.tumblr.com/post/162333024068/farewell-pretty-little-liars
Shoutout to my sister, for indirectly introducing me to Pretty Little Liars, but shame on you for making me feel less masculine just because I enjoyed the murder mystery of a show with female leads. I never shamed her for liking Harry Potter; a movie series with mostly male leads. As of June 8 2010, Pretty Little Liars was my secret.
I started watching this show when I was 13, and I am now 19. Just to visually see this: Pretty Little Liars was with me while I was 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18 and 19.
All while PLL was on the air, I graduated from primary school and high school, started university, got my driver’s license, my first job, credit card, car, gone overseas by myself, and made life-long friendships. Achieving all that never was easy, but it was made easier by PLL. If I ever struggled in my personal development, I always had PLL to fall back upon for psychological stability and security, aside from general entertainment. A part of me sees the end of PLL as if the training wheels are coming off my bike: for 7 years, I was learning how to become a young man, and now that I finally am one, I no longer need this safety rock that is PLL in order to continue developing.
ggl pretty little liars social media
http://mashable.com/2017/06/28/pretty-little-liars-twitter-showrunner-social-media-tv/
http://www.thewrap.com/the-secrets-to-abc-familys-success-how-the-networks-tv-shows-played-social-media-and-won/
................................
@jacobtwop
"im just a girl who met a man when he came in from the rain" is making me laugh harder than anything since #towhatend or #actnormalbitch
http://thedayislikewidewater.blogspot.com/search?q=%22to+what+end%22
To What End??
d n so love this as to copy all here but of course did like refrain "Why? To what end?" and putting here bcs keep thinking that
WINE PATIO the girls' moms gather during break from leading Truth Up activities
Ashley: "I think this Truth Up thing is probably a good idea. Lots of secrets and lying and whatnot."
Ella: "I believe Hanna. I don't think she did it. It could very well just be someone trying to make her look bad."
Veronica, verbatim: "Why? To what end?"
...
FLASHBACK
Ali was at Spencer's, doing magazine quizzes and reading about German cannibals as you do, while downstairs the Hastingses were having at it.:
Alison: "Ready for this? Some dude in Germany went on a dating website and advertised for someone he could kill and eat."
(I am like obsessed with that case to this day. I don't even get why people like to get slapped around in bed, much less why you would want to eat somebody. It's not a lateral move, I'm not saying that exactly, but for me they are similarly confusing. Why? How come? To what end?)
DINNER
Liars: "Okay but to what end? Why would A go to all that trouble to Photoshop her body, if the aim was to humiliate her?"
Hanna: "You guys, clearly this is Kate's doing. It wasn't A. It's not always A."
Hanna: "You know, maybe it's time I really took a picture of you, Kate. Aria, can I borrow your phone?" (The girls all come out of stalls holding their cameras.)
Aria: "Yeah, in a minute. I'm using it though. To record this conversation."
See, how much better would that have been if she left off the last clause? Always with the extra bit. Always that extra feather, danglin' from your business. (To what end?)
Hostile Noel Kahn: "Looking for somebody?"
Uncurious Aria: "Sorry, I thought Caleb was in here?"
Hostile Noel Kahn: "He's not."
Both Of Them Creeps: "Is he missing? Hope so. Maybe somebody threw him out with the rest of the garbage."
Aria, awesomely: "Yeah, okay. Well, if he comes back here...?"
I love that. Trapped in a dark room with Noel Kahn plus Jenna Marshall? Fuck it. This is the scariest thing that's possibly ever going to happen, so whatever. Stay frosty, Sodapop.
ROOFTOP SHENANIGANS
It's not the plastic sheeting! It's a variety of people. First it is A, then it is Noel Kahn, then maybe Holden. So many boys wandering around on the roof, none of them Caleb. None of them the plastic sheeting.
//see, about how series ended, all the As all the tormenters were other girls/ women. never men.
I liked the read of this as girls growing up watched, stalked 'creeped on', like life of young girl always feel threatened. *by men* (mainly) though, right??
///and how this goes on right alongside daily life ~normal~ being into teenage things lipstick etc whatever at same time
/lipstick reminds me book how in first place this series so over-the-top put together marketing like advertisement, saying brands etc like: Hannah reached into her ~ kate spade or whatever brand green limited whatever year edition specific style purse and removed her peach glint whatever brand lipstick, to carefully apply a fresh coat. !
//and so maybe fitting that as a series this became ~ the first overt to such extent fandom-participating show. ~~~~ selling something ~~~~ (in social media the price paid, by fans, is attention? in tweets etc)
Well, it's not long before Aria loses her shit and just starts climbing up a chimney, so Noel Kahn tries to pull her down again.
[then Holden...]
Aria: "Where did you learn to kick somebody like that? Portugal? Or wait, is this part of the Secret? Your bruise? Did somebody jump on you like that? To what end?"
-
... PLL social media / millenial fandom - louisa stein
Louisa Ellen Stein is author of Millenial Fandom Aug15
bk I landed on via ggl re pll social media
ggld her for online avail text, found:
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This is Google's cache of http://blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/29/from-veronica-mars-to-pretty-little-liars/comment-page-1/. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on May 2, 2017 21:36:59 GMT. //now 1 July, no longer there? after 6+ yrs 2011 to 2017 that it was? //
ah it was just that form of it no longer current 'comment-page-1'
blog.commarts.wisc.edu/2011/01/29/from-veronica-mars-to-pretty-little-liars/
From Veronica Mars to Pretty Little Liars | Antenna
From Veronica Mars to Pretty Little Liars
January 29, 2011
By Louisa Stein | 8 Comments
PLL So, Pretty Little Liars has become my most recent obsession. It’s partly that combination of recognition and nostalgia that makes me proclaim “It’s like Roswell’s spirit infused into Veronica Mars’ driving serial storyline, dressed up in Gossip Girl’s clothes.” Indeed, crucial to my experience of a show like Pretty Little Liars is the running comparative commentary in my head, based on my personal preferences and viewing history of teen-now-millennial television.
Today, I’d like to consider the way in which the series revisits and revises some of the key themes that made Veronica Mars so compelling, and merges them with Gossip Girl’s vision of the power of the socially-networked millennial generation. Channeling Veronica Mars we have the themes of male power and female vulnerability; female strength and male disconnectedness; the strength of millennial networks (in this case—and in contrast to Veronica Mars—mostly female networks); and the fascinatingly repeated trope of the dead, sexually-promiscuous girl at the center of the mystery, who haunts the narrative in potent flashback.
In Pretty Little Liars, this dead-but-still-powerful girl is Alison, the ruler of the main characters’ social clique, who was found dead after an outdoor sleepover with her friends. In the series’ opening episode, the main characters (Aria, Spencer, Hanna, and Emily) begin to receive terrorizing texts from a mysterious “A” who seems to somehow possess Alison’s intimate knowledge of their secret lives. Alison thus doubly permeates the narrative, both in color-saturated flashback a la Veronica Mars and in disembodied text message, email, etc.
Where have we come from Veronica Mars’ Lily to Pretty Little Liars’ Alison? In Veronica Mars there was a sense that Lily had power beyond the grave to draw everyone into her mystery, culminating in Veronica locked in a fridge begging to be saved (one of the most disappointing moments of TV I can recall), rescued from death only by her father. Lily even in death was still a deeply powerful character, and revealed to be even more so with each twist to the mystery. In Pretty Little Liars we have Alison, similarly a sexually direct teenage girl, and a social power player when she was alive. Now dead, her digital extension “A” seemingly rules the characters from beyond the grave, through the millennial tools of social networking and mobile technology. She commands her once peers via text command, email, and video attachment.
Alison’s digital manifestation is reinforced by her fluid and inexplicable power-through-knowledge; she seems to somehow see everything, know all, and could potentially be anyone. Indeed, if A/Alison has a counterpart in currently airing teen TV programming, it would be the anonymous and all-seeing Gossip Girl. Like Gossip Girl, A could be old or young, male or female, one or many. However, the difference in the characters’ assumptions about A vs. Gossip Girl are worth noting: the teens of Gossip Girl assume their anonymous blogger to be young and female, the teens of Pretty Little Liars assume A to be older and male. In a sense, A merges the power wielded in Veronica Mars (of those already in power—older, male, wealthy, white) with the power wielded in Gossip Girl (decentered, anonymous, socially-networked).
Veronica Mars offered a targeted attack against the systems of power, with millennial social networks used as grass roots organizing to take down those in power. In contrast, in Pretty Little Liars power threats potentially come from within, and even if the murderer turns out to be the older male Ian (more likely he’s a red herring), he’s a) not that much older, still quite arguably a millennial and b) essentially part of one of the main character’s family. But it seems more likely that A will turn out to be, if not Alison herself, one of the seemingly side-lined teen or post-teen characters who populate the margins and sometimes center of the text. Another way of thinking of this, in terms of Veronica Mars, is that Lily’s murderer and Veronica’s rapist become one; those in power are no longer pulling strings from behind the walls of corporate business, but rather reside in the family, in the network, using the same millennial tools as the main characters to punish and control.
A recent episode included a shout out to Veronica Mars that at first seems almost trite but actually I find quite fascinating. When Spencer indicates that they “need to find some kind of proof” to implicate the older male A suspect, Hanna replies sarcastically, “Thank you, Veronica Mars.” An homage, yes, but the sarcasm suggests that the impetus laid on Veronica to fight the system is somehow already assumed, doesn’t need to be spelled out, and has been dispersed among all of the young female characters rather than residing primarily in one heroic figure. I’m torn about this, because on the one hand I am coming to appreciate the way in which Pretty Little Liars offers a robust sense of the multiplicity of young female experience, empowering without idealizing multiple young women who face different challenges. On the other hand, I worry for the series’ depoliticization of gendered violence as the show’s narrative obscures systemic inequities. But most of all, I hope that Pretty Little Liars won’t resort to that single, intensely disappointing moment where our young female heroes need to be saved rather than figuring out how to save each other.
8 Responses to “ From Veronica Mars to Pretty Little Liars ”
Anne Helen Petersen on January 29, 2011 at 9:07 AM /// anne helen petersen buzzfeed rt? have noted I like her posts?///
Great post, Louisa — and I have little to add save you’ve definitely convinced me to watch (and compare)…..
Louisa Stein on January 29, 2011 at 9:16 AM
Glad to hear I’ve inspired you to give it a try! I would say that if it doesn’t grab you at first, do keep watching. It took me a couple of tries to realize that it was worth sticking with. And I’d love to hear your comparisons once you’ve dug in!
Faye Woods on January 30, 2011 at 5:01 AM
Interesting post Louisa, though I do shudder at the aligning of the show with my beloved VM. I tried hard with PLL, but due to a lack of time it ultimately lost out in my affections to Make It or Break It, (the battle of the UK imports of ABC Family shows!) which I preferred for its female representations. I love a bit of teen camp – and i’d enjoyed the lead actress in Privileged – and i’d originally positioned PLL as my replacement for One Tree Hill (which lost steam in last season for me), but I think that my ultimate problem with it came down to both production factors. The actresses playing high school friends had such an obvious range of ages it just got in the way of my submitting to its world, with at least one looking mid-20s (plus, Kendra from Buffy still playing a high school student many many years later). Additionally, I got a bit squicked out by the teacher/student romance. You present an interesting read of the networked world of the teen girl though – which at least in the UK is expanded out into the marketing and trailers of PLL.
Louisa Stein on January 31, 2011 at 8:25 AM
Hi Faye–Thanks very much for commenting! In full disclosure, I actually gave up on PLL during my first attempt, and only came back to it very recently, initially skipping a few and thus realizing that it is (thankfully) much more a serial mystery than an episodic teen show with a few serial tendencies. I’ve been thinking recently about how different viewers have their different litmus tests: for you it sounds like it’s about believability and tied to both production value and actor age, for me I’m perfectly happy to suspend disbelief re: character ages (actually, I’m pretty much primed to do so now!) if the plot has enough serial complexity & mystery.
I’m also quite fascinated by the trend toward teacher/student romance; there are currently three (count them, three!) currently-airing TV shows featuring teacher/student romance. Gossip Girl even went out of its way to retrofit a teacher/student romance into its primary mythos.
I’d love to hear about the UK marketing and trailers that are emphasizing the networked teen girl aspect!
Faye Woods on January 31, 2011 at 12:20 PM
Yes, the TV critic Dan Feinberg was pointing up the squicky statutory rape elements of PLL and Life Unexpected – with the showrunners of PLL i believe calling it a ‘statutory romance’ in response to questions at critics tour. Particularly when you link it in with the ‘teacher as rapist’ storyline of 90210. I’m normally fine with older actor ages (we discussed this in my teaching the other day actually), but its when it’s such an outlier in relation to the ensemble – say Teddy in 90210 – as in PLL that it pushes me out.
The trailers that run on Viva (our free-to-air MTV spin off station) for PLL are a bit confusing to me in their context – they are in the pink and green/yello branding of VIva – and are a series of whispered read outs of onscreen status messages in US accents in the vein of ‘OMG, can you believe what’s happening’. I’ve always assumed these were US ones grafted in, as the dates of the status don’t match the UK airings and its general promos are -as a sexy older lady – a rare US ‘voice’ on Viva, which usually goes for E4 rip-off blustery male style VOs.
ihops on January 30, 2011 at 6:41 AM
It seems to me like you resolve your disappointment with VM in your final sentence here: the crucial difference between the two shows, as you note, is that PLL doesn’t concentrate all of its heroism into a single character. The various female leads can save each other and it remains empowering, while still narratively realistic. Conversely, on VM, Veronica was resourceful and saved herself regularly — to think that she’d be able to it time after time is implausible and narratively unsatisfying (honestly, would Veronica finding a way out of the fridge on her own have been any *less* disappointing?). The only difference is that, because Veronica was the only female protagonist (until Mac became a regular, at least), her rescue had to be effected by a man. On PLL, the reality of occasionally needing help — as any human being does — can be balanced with the political ideal of female empowerment simply because there are more women participating in the narrative.
As wonderful a show as VM was, there was a lot of exceptionalism built into the strong female role at its center. Although PLL is wrapped in more conventional trappings, it’s arguably more subversive in presenting multiple female protagonists, such that female agency can be more broadly asserted. (If we’re comparing seminal female-centered teen shows, it’s kind of like how Buffy shared her power with all the potential Slayers! That was awesome.)
Louisa Stein on January 31, 2011 at 8:44 AM
You get right to the heart of it here!:
Although PLL is wrapped in more conventional trappings, it’s arguably more subversive in presenting multiple female protagonists, such that female agency can be more broadly asserted.
That’s absolutely what I think is going on, and I’m fascinated by how PLL is wrapped in these conventional trappings (although still connected to a noir-like mystery about sexual violence…) and yet still potentially quite subversive, arguably (dare I say it?) more so than Buffy and VM. Buffy shared her power with the potential slayers only at the very end of the series, as an act of closure, shifting the series from its predominant focus on female empowerment as exceptionalism to a more collective sense of female power that the series could imagine but not depict long term–PLL uses that female network as its starting point.
I don’t mean at all to undermine or oversimplify VM and Buffy, two shows that I love dearly. But I do feel that because of PLL’s conventional trappings (as you so rightly put it) the series’ place in this trajectory of 3rd wave feminist shows could be overlooked.
Thanks for commenting!
Evamarie on February 14, 2011 at 11:32 AM
I actually never thought of the refrigerator as a thing where she “has to be saved by a man”. I always read that scene as a harsh reminder that, despite all the awesome that Veronica possesses, she’s still just a tiny little teenager. I always loved that scene because she seems truly vulnerable and even though it is television, there is a real sense of danger and potential death. Kristin Bell sells it hardcore.
I can see your point, but I didn’t interpret it as a man/woman thing. I saw it as a child/adult thing.
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I don’t feel we really have the option to walk away from the word. Acafan, taken any which you want, means a merger of fan and academic. If we step away from it we’re disavowing the reality and responsibility of our dual (or multiple) subjectivities as scholars and participants in media culture.
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The Limits of Infinite Scroll: Gifsets /mostly on Tumblr?/ and Fanmixes /eg music playlists, auto[lay to next, shuffle// as Evolving Fan Traditions Louisa Stein / Middlebury College – Flow: . LiveJournal and Dreamwidth still offer the same frames for creativity as LJ did back in the early 2000s. But the ubiquity of fan culture on the visual /ah yes ok/ microblogging site Tumblr, and also the introduction of other interfaces, highlight an aesthetic of abundant multiplicity and multidirectional flow. /y not great for my way wh is tracking arranging memorizing// Perhaps this is most clearly seen in Tumblr’s “infinite scrolling.”
//scanning this - seems shld be titled 'limitlessness' - did not see anything about these as evolving so as to differ from limitless multiplicity multidirection etc...
.... makes me think twop jacob clifton ~ interview re how millenials treat ~media as ~ all always there ~ not need be owned not need be archived (gen x want collect)
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