'Lost': Jack and Hurley go to the 'Lighthouse' -by Ryan McGee - It Happened Last Night - Zap2it
All the "Lost" haters that cried foul after seeing "What Kate Does": how you like THEM apples? Two weeks, and two stellar episodes later, yours truly is feeling pretty good about the final season of the show.
And since this recap's almost as long as the note written on Hurley's forearm, let's get right to it!
Jacob tells Hurley to grab a pen: "You'll have to write a few things down. Someone is coming to the Island. I need you to help him find it." Desmond's back, he's gonna save my reputation: hey na, hey na, my Desmond's back! (It's him, right? Pretty please, brutha?)
In the Temple, Hurley looks at his arm. He's written approximately 1/3rd of the Encyclopedia Britannica on his left arm, and he's looking for a certain hieroglyphic in a certain hallway.
Before Hurley can inspect further, Dogen stops him and orders him back to the courtyard. Just then, Jacob appears behind Dogen. He tells Hurley that he has a choice, and also tells him to repeat the magic word "candidate." "I'm a candidate, and I can do what I want," a nervous Hurley intones. When Dogen asks where he heard that word, an emboldened Hurley replies, "Doesn't matter. Why don't YOU go back to the courtyard?"
Early candidate for Line of the Year, although Hurley gets about five more lines as good as that one before all is said and done this week.
"You have what it takes." Here's the part where I kindly remind you that Christian Shephard told a young Jack that he DIDN'T have what it takes in Hour 5 of Season 1. And here we are, in Hour 5 of Season 6. Sweet, sweet symmetry.
"Let me get that cleared up," Claire says, looking at Jin's wound. "One thing that'll kill you around here is infection." "One thing that'll kill you around here is infection." No diggity, no doubt.
Elsewhere in the jungle, Hurley and Jack have given Dogen the slip. As they follow the copy of 'Clarissa' written out :) on Hurley's arm, a figure on the riverbank whips around, guns a' blazing. It's Kate! Millions of Lost fans say, "Yay?" Kate and Jack are almost bemused to see each other.
Jack asks Kate to come along with them. Hurley thinks it's just a mission for two, but Kate insists she's coming with them. Oh wait, she doesn't. Sorry, I just typed the last half of that sentence on automatic pilot. She ALWAYS insists she's coming with someone. Nice progress, Kate!
Claire says that both her father and her "friend" told her. (Oh, well, then. In that case. Makes total sense. Oh Claire you...you got what I need....but you say he's just a friend.)
yay Biz Markie - Just A Friend | SongMeanings | Lyrics 1989
ooh I remember these lyrics. so exquisite! the-first-semester-of-the-school-year
Then when I asked, "Do ya have a man" She tried to pretend She said, "No I don't, I only have a friend" .. Spendin a lot of time so we can build up A relationship or some undderstanding How it's gonna be in the future we was plannin .. So I came to her college on a surprise visit To see my girl that was so exquisite . It was a school day, I knew she was there The first semester of the school year . He told me where it was and I was on my wayTo see my baby doll, I was happy to say .. Oh, snap! Guess what I saw? .. Don't ever talk to a girl Who says she just has a friend.
-did anyone catch this the other night on "It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia?" Friggin' awesome. They're sitting on the front steps singing, drunk as hell.
-This is the best to sing along with. All together now! "You! You got what I neeeeeed! But you say 'he's just a friend!' But you say he's just a frie- OHHHHHH baby youuuu!..."
-YOUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, YOU GOT WHAT I NEEEEEEDDDDD
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I liked this episode fine but am finding less of int in reading about it than the premiere, What Kate Does (I actually read a lot I liked after that, I think?), and last week's The Substitute.
this recap by Ryan McGee is worthwhile just bcs I like his funny ways, he's rising among my favorite recappers.
(ToddVDWerff is good for analysis, fairly elegant observations. James Poniewozik is smart and good-natured and I tend to agree with his take more often than with Sepinwall's, plus Poniewozik's Tuned In lost discussion group seems to me the best commentary around. sfgate Tim Goodman is over-stylish sometimes, but sometimes the stylishness is pleasant. cool that he - surprise! - totally liked this episode which others disparaged; and comments used to be pretty good there but this season I think 'amateur hour' when I look, though that's pretentious right, anyway why has hickcity not posted at all since re jaypocaplyse. LongliveLocke is fun, especially for the lyric headings. and I think I like Noel Murray over at avclub but have not been reading regularly.)
Friday, February 26, 2010
Wednesday, February 17, 2010
'Lost': Locke gets in touch with his feelings --Todd VanDerWerff | Show Tracker | Los Angeles Times
"The Substitute" is almost entirely a showcase for O'Quinn, a chance given to him to once again knock it out of the park (perhaps for the final time). He plays two wildly different characters who converge in some interesting ways. He is allowed to play the full range of emotions for both Locke himself and the fake Locke who is actually the smoke monster. He's also allowed to share most of his scenes on the Island with Holloway, who's always been a strong companion for the actor. For some reason, Sawyer's devil-may-care attitude has always blended well with Locke's headstrong faith, so their journey to the cave with all of the countless names crossed out was the perfect blend of psychological test, religious ritual, and Boy's Life adventure story cover.
"The Substitute" does so many of the things I love about "Lost" that I have to break hard with the folks on my Twitter feed who said immediately after the episode that it was yet another filler, an episode designed to space out the time between now and the end when we presumably will get the "answers" we're owed or something.
And even if the answers are the only things you want to see, look more at just what we've begun to see filled in this evening. Fake Locke turning Sawyer was the sort of thing that was almost inevitable, I suppose (though I assume Sawyer will get a final turn toward good in the end), but I, for one, did not see the reveal that the famed Numbers -- which I had long ago given up on ever seeing explained -- would all refer to one of the survivors on the wall of that cave where Jacob had been hastily scratching in what appeared to be hundreds of names (just how long has this island been here?). And then the final reveal: With Jacob dead, the Man in Black, in the form of Locke, is able to leave the Island, presumably to walk among us, and he wants to take Sawyer with him. That is, if Sawyer doesn't want to take Jacob's place as guardian of the Island, the one to both protect it from the outside world and, presumably, protect the outside world from the Monster. It's a huge amount of information to download, and the elegant way "Lost" just dropped all of it on us was truly impressive.
The flash-sideways, which occupied a similar amount of time when compared to Kate's flash-sideways last week, also offered up some great moments. This one was primarily about Locke learning to accept that he didn't have a great destiny, that his destiny was just to marry a wonderful woman and have a nice house in the Los Angeles suburbs. (On a box company middle management salary? Psh.) There's a real heart to these scenes, to the notion of a man who could have been great giving up on miracles and on anything other than a nice, quiet life with a woman he loves. And there's a terrific sense that the show understands that, in some ways, this was better than his quest for greatness. In one universe, he ends up in a hole in the ground, his murderer delivering his eulogy while a force of ultimate evil borrows his skin to go walk about. In ours, he gets fired and becomes a substitute teacher (where he ends up working with, surprise surprise, Ben Linus), but that's not such a bad destiny after all, even as he looks impossibly small behind that desk.
American fiction doesn't talk often about giving up. 'I've settled down. History, my dear friend. .. and I won't get up again.' It's all about having big goals and either realizing those goals or being completely crushed by the realization that you won't become what you always dreamed of becoming. Yet, out here in the real world, most of us are living out that old John Lennon axiom that life is what happens when you're making other plans. For those of us who dream big, the world is a long series of sideways flashes into lives that we couldn't have comprehended living when we were younger but that we come to love all the same. If there is such a thing as destiny, it also needs substitute teachers, and this episode of "Lost" is about the fact that sometimes that's a viable path after all.
But none of this would land with the resonance it does if it weren't for the sad, soulful gaze of O'Quinn, the man who just longed to be given a greater purpose and saw that longing twisted and perverted by others with lesser ends. There's a marvelous bit of editing here where fake Locke shows Sawyer all of the names of the people Jacob chose as candidates for his job, interspersed with shots of Jacob touching each of them in last season's finale. It's a nice way to clear up a tiny point that most of us were wondering about last season, but it's also a wonderful way to outline one of the underlying themes of "Lost": What does it mean to choose someone? We all make choices every day, but we also all choose which people we're going to support, which people we're going to surround ourselves with. In a world as starkly drawn between good and evil as the world of "Lost," that means choosing between representatives of God and the devil. But it can also mean choosing to mourn the woman you loved or choosing to stand by the man you're to marry, whether he's in a wheelchair or not. Life is all about substitution, really, about replacing some of the things you wanted with the things you now want. "The Substitute," then, is a reminder that the one thing you don't want to substitute too heavily on is the people you have in your life.
"The Substitute" is almost entirely a showcase for O'Quinn, a chance given to him to once again knock it out of the park (perhaps for the final time). He plays two wildly different characters who converge in some interesting ways. He is allowed to play the full range of emotions for both Locke himself and the fake Locke who is actually the smoke monster. He's also allowed to share most of his scenes on the Island with Holloway, who's always been a strong companion for the actor. For some reason, Sawyer's devil-may-care attitude has always blended well with Locke's headstrong faith, so their journey to the cave with all of the countless names crossed out was the perfect blend of psychological test, religious ritual, and Boy's Life adventure story cover.
"The Substitute" does so many of the things I love about "Lost" that I have to break hard with the folks on my Twitter feed who said immediately after the episode that it was yet another filler, an episode designed to space out the time between now and the end when we presumably will get the "answers" we're owed or something.
And even if the answers are the only things you want to see, look more at just what we've begun to see filled in this evening. Fake Locke turning Sawyer was the sort of thing that was almost inevitable, I suppose (though I assume Sawyer will get a final turn toward good in the end), but I, for one, did not see the reveal that the famed Numbers -- which I had long ago given up on ever seeing explained -- would all refer to one of the survivors on the wall of that cave where Jacob had been hastily scratching in what appeared to be hundreds of names (just how long has this island been here?). And then the final reveal: With Jacob dead, the Man in Black, in the form of Locke, is able to leave the Island, presumably to walk among us, and he wants to take Sawyer with him. That is, if Sawyer doesn't want to take Jacob's place as guardian of the Island, the one to both protect it from the outside world and, presumably, protect the outside world from the Monster. It's a huge amount of information to download, and the elegant way "Lost" just dropped all of it on us was truly impressive.
The flash-sideways, which occupied a similar amount of time when compared to Kate's flash-sideways last week, also offered up some great moments. This one was primarily about Locke learning to accept that he didn't have a great destiny, that his destiny was just to marry a wonderful woman and have a nice house in the Los Angeles suburbs. (On a box company middle management salary? Psh.) There's a real heart to these scenes, to the notion of a man who could have been great giving up on miracles and on anything other than a nice, quiet life with a woman he loves. And there's a terrific sense that the show understands that, in some ways, this was better than his quest for greatness. In one universe, he ends up in a hole in the ground, his murderer delivering his eulogy while a force of ultimate evil borrows his skin to go walk about. In ours, he gets fired and becomes a substitute teacher (where he ends up working with, surprise surprise, Ben Linus), but that's not such a bad destiny after all, even as he looks impossibly small behind that desk.
American fiction doesn't talk often about giving up. 'I've settled down. History, my dear friend. .. and I won't get up again.' It's all about having big goals and either realizing those goals or being completely crushed by the realization that you won't become what you always dreamed of becoming. Yet, out here in the real world, most of us are living out that old John Lennon axiom that life is what happens when you're making other plans. For those of us who dream big, the world is a long series of sideways flashes into lives that we couldn't have comprehended living when we were younger but that we come to love all the same. If there is such a thing as destiny, it also needs substitute teachers, and this episode of "Lost" is about the fact that sometimes that's a viable path after all.
But none of this would land with the resonance it does if it weren't for the sad, soulful gaze of O'Quinn, the man who just longed to be given a greater purpose and saw that longing twisted and perverted by others with lesser ends. There's a marvelous bit of editing here where fake Locke shows Sawyer all of the names of the people Jacob chose as candidates for his job, interspersed with shots of Jacob touching each of them in last season's finale. It's a nice way to clear up a tiny point that most of us were wondering about last season, but it's also a wonderful way to outline one of the underlying themes of "Lost": What does it mean to choose someone? We all make choices every day, but we also all choose which people we're going to support, which people we're going to surround ourselves with. In a world as starkly drawn between good and evil as the world of "Lost," that means choosing between representatives of God and the devil. But it can also mean choosing to mourn the woman you loved or choosing to stand by the man you're to marry, whether he's in a wheelchair or not. Life is all about substitution, really, about replacing some of the things you wanted with the things you now want. "The Substitute," then, is a reminder that the one thing you don't want to substitute too heavily on is the people you have in your life.
Monday, February 8, 2010
TV Tattle — A weblog of TV news and criticism - 2010/02/08 ...
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106.5 million watched the Super Bowl — the largest audience in TV history
The Colts vs. Saints beat the series finale of "MASH," which drew 106 million viewers in 1983. That's up from the 98.7 million viewers last year and is a perfect ending to an NFL season of monster ratings. As Lisa de Moraes points out, CBS "owes a big wet kiss to Mother Nature who had rendered millions of potential viewers housebound Sunday night with a weekend snowstorm that buried the mid-Atlantic region."
Oprah reunites Letterman & Leno for Super Bowl [tvtattle 2/7 youtube video]
It was Dave's idea, Leno wore mustache and sunglasses, NBC flew Jay to NYC
That shocking "Late Show" Super Bowl ad featuring David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey and Jay Leno was shot with the strictest of secrecy — so much so that Leno was snuck into the Ed Sullivan theater last Tuesday during the middle of a taping wearing a mustache, glasses and a hooded sweatshirt. The whole idea was Letterman's — and he got Oprah to agree immediately. Leno, though, had to get the approval of his NBC bosses, who flew him out on a Peacock corporate jet last Tuesday night when "The Jay Leno Show" was preempted for "The Biggest Loser." Upon seeing each other for the first time in years, the rivals greeted each other cordially, according to Letterman executive producer Rob Burnett. "It was very friendly, very professional, totally cordial,” said Burnett, who added that he thought the ad would help them both, despite promoting "The Late show." “You could tell these were two guys who have known each other for a long time." PLUS: Burnett said CBS approved the secretive operation, which "would make the CIA proud."
Letterman wanted Conan in the ad, but nothing ever came of it
Oprah tweets: "Yes that was REAL D, J and me"
Letterman's Super Bowl ad helped Leno but was a slap to Conan
The ad (which Conan was invited to participate in) seemed to completely erase the whole Conan vs. Leno mess, says Matthew Gilbert, who notes that the ad implied that David Letterman wasn't really sympathetic to Conan after all. "It negated the massive 10 p.m. 'Jay Leno Show' debacle, as if the big late-night controversy has never stopped being a duel between Oprah's two big children, Leno and Letterman," says Gilbert. "It showed Leno as a good sport, willing to sit there while Letterman mocked him. And the ad implied that Letterman doesn't truly feel defensive of Conan O'Brien — that Letterman's expressions of sympathy for O'Brien during the past few months were just part of some big promotional game." PLUS: CBS loved the spot so much it was expanded from 10 to 15 seconds.
Bud Light Super Bowl ad pokes fun at "Lost" [youtube]
Complete with an Evangeline Lilly lookalike.
to read.. ('item')
106.5 million watched the Super Bowl — the largest audience in TV history
The Colts vs. Saints beat the series finale of "MASH," which drew 106 million viewers in 1983. That's up from the 98.7 million viewers last year and is a perfect ending to an NFL season of monster ratings. As Lisa de Moraes points out, CBS "owes a big wet kiss to Mother Nature who had rendered millions of potential viewers housebound Sunday night with a weekend snowstorm that buried the mid-Atlantic region."
Oprah reunites Letterman & Leno for Super Bowl [tvtattle 2/7 youtube video]
It was Dave's idea, Leno wore mustache and sunglasses, NBC flew Jay to NYC
That shocking "Late Show" Super Bowl ad featuring David Letterman, Oprah Winfrey and Jay Leno was shot with the strictest of secrecy — so much so that Leno was snuck into the Ed Sullivan theater last Tuesday during the middle of a taping wearing a mustache, glasses and a hooded sweatshirt. The whole idea was Letterman's — and he got Oprah to agree immediately. Leno, though, had to get the approval of his NBC bosses, who flew him out on a Peacock corporate jet last Tuesday night when "The Jay Leno Show" was preempted for "The Biggest Loser." Upon seeing each other for the first time in years, the rivals greeted each other cordially, according to Letterman executive producer Rob Burnett. "It was very friendly, very professional, totally cordial,” said Burnett, who added that he thought the ad would help them both, despite promoting "The Late show." “You could tell these were two guys who have known each other for a long time." PLUS: Burnett said CBS approved the secretive operation, which "would make the CIA proud."
Letterman wanted Conan in the ad, but nothing ever came of itOprah tweets: "Yes that was REAL D, J and me"Letterman's Super Bowl ad helped Leno but was a slap to Conan
The ad (which Conan was invited to participate in) seemed to completely erase the whole Conan vs. Leno mess, says Matthew Gilbert, who notes that the ad implied that David Letterman wasn't really sympathetic to Conan after all. "It negated the massive 10 p.m. 'Jay Leno Show' debacle, as if the big late-night controversy has never stopped being a duel between Oprah's two big children, Leno and Letterman," says Gilbert. "It showed Leno as a good sport, willing to sit there while Letterman mocked him. And the ad implied that Letterman doesn't truly feel defensive of Conan O'Brien — that Letterman's expressions of sympathy for O'Brien during the past few months were just part of some big promotional game." PLUS: CBS loved the spot so much it was expanded from 10 to 15 seconds.
Bud Light Super Bowl ad pokes fun at "Lost" [youtube]
Complete with an Evangeline Lilly lookalike.
Saturday, February 6, 2010
Lost LA X recap: What's Your Worldview? - by Doc Jensen | EW.com ..p2
The Island story line was two-thirds Dantesque, with the castaways moving out from the Inferno-ish pit of the hellish Swan crater to the surreal limbo of the Temple. I can't resist the Paradiso. Dante's vision of heaven is comprised of nine spheres. After moving beyond the ninth sphere, which is the home to angels (City of Angels), Dante finally gets to the Empyrean, where all living souls become interconnected (cue Charlie: ''You All Everybody'') to form a giant cosmic rose. But before becoming part of the rose, Dante meets face to face with the man behind the curtain. And you know what God gives Dante? Answers. Answers to the biggest questions of human existence. Some answers make sense; some are so beyond Dante's comprehension that they defy explanation. Dante's journey has ended, and there is the happily ever after in the company of the ''You All Everybody'' of countless souls across infinite worlds.
Welcome to the heaven of Season 6. Welcome to the promise of answers. Welcome to the promise of something better than answers: a mind-blowing, emotionally galvanizing story. I'll be your Virgil. I promise you epic digressions, forced pop culture references.. Come for the potential of clarity; stay for the entertaining incoherency. really does deliver epic follow through on references & possible meanings. and actually, v coherent: these write-ups always impress me as artfully structured. arranged. a poem.
I love you all echo? ah reminding me of: "I know you all, and will awhile uphold. The unyoked humour of your idleness. Yet herein will I imitate the sun, who doth permit.." spoken by Hal (or, Henry V) in Henry IV Part 1, and am grateful for your indulgence and readership, and I am already grieving the reality of letting go. But for now, let us heed the words of the prophet, the little prince himself: Let's Go Crazy. song by Prince, nice.
p3
One wonders if the entire season 6 sideways story line will model the general themes of the castaway story, but with different incidents and events: a gritty, more down-to-earth version of the mythic, larger-than-life Island epic, like how Dorothy's adventure in Oz was a fantastical extrapolation of her life in Kansas.
Lost also loves its Alice in Wonderland references, and so we recall that Lewis Carroll's sequel to Alice's Adventures In Wonderland was entitled Through The Looking Glass, which begins with Alice gazing into a mirror and wondering if it could be portal into a topsy-turvy Otherworld. The book itself is a cracked mirror reflection of the previous book — the same story in essence, sharing similar if not identical themes, just rendered with different incident and detail.
Jack looked at himself in the mirror and detected a mysterious cut on his neck. .. The Nick In Time'' a sci-fi novel in which the hero traverses parallel realities to correct time travel chaos.
Jack returned to his seat and saw Desmond "The Man Who Wasn't There (On The Plane The First Time Around)'" Hume. Desmond Hume reads the darndest books. When we first met him in season 2, the moony marooner ran off into the jungle carrying a copy of The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien, a perversely playful work with a plot that mirrors the most despairing of Lost theories: that our fallen castaways are stuck in an eternal cycle of damnation. A deleted deleted? passage from The Third Policeman: "Joe had been explaining things in the meantime. He said it was again the beginning of the unfinished, the re-discovery of the familiar, the re-experience of the already suffered, the fresh-forgetting of the unremembered. Hell goes round and round. In shape it is circular and by nature it is interminable, repetitive and very nearly unbearable." In LA X, Desmond was reading Rushdie's Haroun And The Sea of Stories. Like Policeman, Haroun functions as commentary and critique on storytelling, but otherwise couldn't be more different. The plot concerns a boy who all but curses his father in a moment of despair by saying, cynically, "What's the use of stories that aren't even true?" As a consequence, the father becomes heartbroken.. Haroun then embarks on a fantastic adventure to save an enchanted place, and he restores his father's life and power by giving him the tale of his own adventure. I'm thinking of Jack and his relationship to his father. ah right a father-son story. and son like father has adventure in an enchanted place. I'm fascinated by Desmond's progression from the surreal cynicism of Policeman to the redemptive fable of Haroun. I've certainly seen a lot of Policeman in Lost. In season 6, perhaps we'll see more Haroun.
p5
thought the Island World story in ''LA X'' was, on its face, even weirder than the Sideways stuff. I can't imagine anyone who stopped watching after season 1 or 2 coming back to the series with this episode and not thinking, ''Temples? Magic springs? Circles of ash that keep smokey demons at bay? What the hell happened to this show?!'' (Answer: It got even more awesomer! hee Now go away, drop-out, this party ain't for you.)
We opened up on an iconic Lost motif: the eye. It was Kate, and we found her literally up a tree. (Other notable tree entries: Bernard's Island arrival in season 2 and Charlotte's Island arrival in season 4.)
I did briefly wonder if perhaps they were truly dead. But yes, yes, let's say they're all still living in the conventional sense of the term.
Everything about this section of the story just felt big, including Dogen's oversized hourglass and Jacob's laughably large wooden ankh hidden inside Hurley's guitar case. (Mystery solved!) Why did it have to be that big? It needed to be put through a mythic talisman bit shortener. bit? oh a url shortener. FUN FACT! Stephen King & Peter Straub's 1984 novel The Talisman is about a boy who can traverse between parallel worlds. His name? Jack Sawyer. !
p6
The Island: the original and purest expression of the God idea, of God power. These ruins? The remains of those zealots who've attempted to claim, name, and tame this place over the centuries — those people the Man In Black spoke of last year: ''They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.''
The Island story line was two-thirds Dantesque, with the castaways moving out from the Inferno-ish pit of the hellish Swan crater to the surreal limbo of the Temple. I can't resist the Paradiso. Dante's vision of heaven is comprised of nine spheres. After moving beyond the ninth sphere, which is the home to angels (City of Angels), Dante finally gets to the Empyrean, where all living souls become interconnected (cue Charlie: ''You All Everybody'') to form a giant cosmic rose. But before becoming part of the rose, Dante meets face to face with the man behind the curtain. And you know what God gives Dante? Answers. Answers to the biggest questions of human existence. Some answers make sense; some are so beyond Dante's comprehension that they defy explanation. Dante's journey has ended, and there is the happily ever after in the company of the ''You All Everybody'' of countless souls across infinite worlds.
Welcome to the heaven of Season 6. Welcome to the promise of answers. Welcome to the promise of something better than answers: a mind-blowing, emotionally galvanizing story. I'll be your Virgil. I promise you epic digressions, forced pop culture references.. Come for the potential of clarity; stay for the entertaining incoherency. really does deliver epic follow through on references & possible meanings. and actually, v coherent: these write-ups always impress me as artfully structured. arranged. a poem.
I love you all echo? ah reminding me of: "I know you all, and will awhile uphold. The unyoked humour of your idleness. Yet herein will I imitate the sun, who doth permit.." spoken by Hal (or, Henry V) in Henry IV Part 1, and am grateful for your indulgence and readership, and I am already grieving the reality of letting go. But for now, let us heed the words of the prophet, the little prince himself: Let's Go Crazy. song by Prince, nice.
p3
One wonders if the entire season 6 sideways story line will model the general themes of the castaway story, but with different incidents and events: a gritty, more down-to-earth version of the mythic, larger-than-life Island epic, like how Dorothy's adventure in Oz was a fantastical extrapolation of her life in Kansas.
Lost also loves its Alice in Wonderland references, and so we recall that Lewis Carroll's sequel to Alice's Adventures In Wonderland was entitled Through The Looking Glass, which begins with Alice gazing into a mirror and wondering if it could be portal into a topsy-turvy Otherworld. The book itself is a cracked mirror reflection of the previous book — the same story in essence, sharing similar if not identical themes, just rendered with different incident and detail.
Jack looked at himself in the mirror and detected a mysterious cut on his neck. .. The Nick In Time'' a sci-fi novel in which the hero traverses parallel realities to correct time travel chaos.
Jack returned to his seat and saw Desmond "The Man Who Wasn't There (On The Plane The First Time Around)'" Hume. Desmond Hume reads the darndest books. When we first met him in season 2, the moony marooner ran off into the jungle carrying a copy of The Third Policeman by Flann O'Brien, a perversely playful work with a plot that mirrors the most despairing of Lost theories: that our fallen castaways are stuck in an eternal cycle of damnation. A deleted deleted? passage from The Third Policeman: "Joe had been explaining things in the meantime. He said it was again the beginning of the unfinished, the re-discovery of the familiar, the re-experience of the already suffered, the fresh-forgetting of the unremembered. Hell goes round and round. In shape it is circular and by nature it is interminable, repetitive and very nearly unbearable." In LA X, Desmond was reading Rushdie's Haroun And The Sea of Stories. Like Policeman, Haroun functions as commentary and critique on storytelling, but otherwise couldn't be more different. The plot concerns a boy who all but curses his father in a moment of despair by saying, cynically, "What's the use of stories that aren't even true?" As a consequence, the father becomes heartbroken.. Haroun then embarks on a fantastic adventure to save an enchanted place, and he restores his father's life and power by giving him the tale of his own adventure. I'm thinking of Jack and his relationship to his father. ah right a father-son story. and son like father has adventure in an enchanted place. I'm fascinated by Desmond's progression from the surreal cynicism of Policeman to the redemptive fable of Haroun. I've certainly seen a lot of Policeman in Lost. In season 6, perhaps we'll see more Haroun.
p5
thought the Island World story in ''LA X'' was, on its face, even weirder than the Sideways stuff. I can't imagine anyone who stopped watching after season 1 or 2 coming back to the series with this episode and not thinking, ''Temples? Magic springs? Circles of ash that keep smokey demons at bay? What the hell happened to this show?!'' (Answer: It got even more awesomer! hee Now go away, drop-out, this party ain't for you.)
We opened up on an iconic Lost motif: the eye. It was Kate, and we found her literally up a tree. (Other notable tree entries: Bernard's Island arrival in season 2 and Charlotte's Island arrival in season 4.)
I did briefly wonder if perhaps they were truly dead. But yes, yes, let's say they're all still living in the conventional sense of the term.
Everything about this section of the story just felt big, including Dogen's oversized hourglass and Jacob's laughably large wooden ankh hidden inside Hurley's guitar case. (Mystery solved!) Why did it have to be that big? It needed to be put through a mythic talisman bit shortener. bit? oh a url shortener. FUN FACT! Stephen King & Peter Straub's 1984 novel The Talisman is about a boy who can traverse between parallel worlds. His name? Jack Sawyer. !
p6
The Island: the original and purest expression of the God idea, of God power. These ruins? The remains of those zealots who've attempted to claim, name, and tame this place over the centuries — those people the Man In Black spoke of last year: ''They come. They fight. They destroy. They corrupt. It always ends the same.''
“LA X” [recap by Noel Murray] | The A.V. Club: 1315 'discussions' occuring
-holland oates: Why are the Others still walking around in rags? Didn't we see through their little island savages charade a long time ago, namely when they took Jack & Kate & Sawyer prisoner?
-Those weren't rags. They were the clothes of people who lived in a jungle. Big difference; check out any shot of Others from s2 and compare to a shot of them tonight.
-holland oates: I'll keep a closer eye on the Others' outfits on a rewatch, but most of the outfits seemed pretty raggy to me. Not the Japanese guy and Deadwood guy, though. But everyone was wearing pretty normal clothes in s3 & it's not been that long since they left the old Dharma camp for the temple.
-holland oates: Wait, scratch that. It's been three years, right? ah right 2007. a lot of time-jumping happened in little time after s3, but then three years did pass: Jack & Kate & Hurley & Sun & Sayid back in world. Sawyer & Juliet & Jin & Miles in Dharma, OK, conceded. Maybe. hee.
-kunta: Yeah, living in the jungle wasn't a charade. Living in the Dharma barracks was the charade, and Locke called Ben on it. ~that Ben had altered the Others for the worse by living in Dharmaville etc (? only vague recall of Locke 'calling' Ben on the charade)
-holland oates: @kunta Yeah, but they did live in the barracks, with normal clothes. The Others had to don disguises when dealing with the Losties why?! — even if the disguises were depicting something closer to what they should have been doing. ie being island savages? living in the jungle, not in play suburbia?
this is a hang-up for me, sth I'd like addressed: the Others.
what else am I hung-up on, wanting 'answer' to? the psychic in Claire's first flashback (& later in Eko's): what was his connection to the island? why did he talk about "good people" and want Claire w Aaron on flight 815? that's the raised-by-single-episode bit I haen't let go. and maybe we will get a bit of an answer, at least as regards aaron having some kind of destined role on the island.
but I suppose we probably will not get much explanation of the Others' behavior back in s2 & s3. I wish we would. why the disguises? why take Walt? why the experiments & mindgames? Ben needed Jack to do surgery on him, ok, so that goes a little way twd explaining capturing him and also Sawyer & Kate for leverage ~ but even if imagine kidnapping made sense, why cages & cruelty? I'd like to be given some information about the purpose of the Others (serving Jacob? why would Jacob have needed them to toy with the Losties?) that makes sense out of this, but I doubt we will be. I guess it seems like that was all just making these other people on the island weird spooky, and was not really worked into the master plan.
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-Speaking of the mark, I was sure that they were going to try to take Juliet to The Temple, and that she'd be denied entry because of the mark.
-Dowd: Juliet couldn't be saved by the Temple. She already was. You have to die in the Spring to become one of the Others. But you don't get to do it twice.
-i and 1: Yeah, Dowd, I know. Good point. huh so this is known? the Others have all died & been reborn in the spring? I know Ben was healed by the spring & thus forgot evth (?) prior & became an Other. but, Juliet hadn't forgotten her prior life.
and hmm, this is an idea haven't seen elsewhere. unlikely but noting here in case:
-Sayid, in my opinion, is going to wake up with a memory as if he had just been pulled to the island, three years after the flight to LA. well but then shouldn't he have said, "Who are you?" or "where am I?" rather than "What happened?" This is the side effect that was mentioned. wrt Ben? However, he is going to reveal that there are small subtle differences between the things he remembers and what the others remember, leading them to try to understand what is going on, and leading them to the parallel dimension theory.
the idea that is all over is that Jacob is not inhabiting Sayid's body. I guess I'm hoping not.
-forget_it: I don't know that I get behind the theory that Sayid is now Jacob, if only because a Sayid vs Locke polarity feels off . Those two characters really never had much to do with each other huh they didn't did they? must hae had some noteworthy interactions, right? but none come to mind, and having them embody these nemeses seems less compelling than, say, Jack vs Locke or Sayid vs Sawyer. It just doesn't resonate. y well said.
in response to complaints about Juliet being alive only to have "another" dying goodbye with Sawyer:
-simo: You're all forgetting that Juliet didn't actually die when she fell down the well. I'm glad that she was still alive in 2007. There was no reason for the rest of the Losties to not be killed along with Juliet if Jughead was going to kill her. good point. The only way that would make sense for her to be dead if she was transported into 2007 into solid rock.
-loneaudience: We didn't see Juliet die in The Incident; it made sense that she still had to die.
-autobot: We needed Juliet to die a "second time" so that she could share that important bit of information that detonating the bomb "worked."
-holland oates: We could have gotten that info via Miles talking to a dead Juliet, though. I found the repeated death scene to be a bit of an eye-roller.
-occono: They established that corpses wouldn't come along with the time skips back when Charlotte died, so they needed her alive at first. ooh. good obseration. if Juliet had already died, her body would not have arrived in 2007 with them for Miles to talk to.
-I hope that her conversation from another time and "it worked" will all come into play. Esply since there's a pretty good theory that she's the new Desmond time-traveling consciousness (or, she could just be haing the time traveling sickness wh looked similar but), since she was in exactly the same spot as Desmond's mishap that jarred him loose from time seemed to happen. hmm int. ie right by the explosion, Juliet of the bomb (~nuclear; but right near a magnetic energy 'pocket'?), Desmond of the hatch (~magnetic; but he was turning the fail safe key wh was a last resort to blow up the hatch, did it detonate a bomb?).
-Juliet definitely flashed to the alternate timeline self due to her proximity to the explosion. We will see her in Universe B, with something involving asking someone to get coffee sometime, and whatever else she was saying when she was crazybabbling re going dutch. Like what they did with Charlotte. I would bet enough money to pay off my student loans on this.
-She knew who James was and was buying coffee. They meet in the 'real world' in the future is my bet.
-They've done flashbacks, flashforwards, flashelsewheres ah good name for s5 jumps; think were called flashsideways (since btw simultaneous action at diff places) wh is confusing bcs it's also wh producers are calling the current flashes (btw parallel worlds, but at diff moments: 2007 / 2004) , so I guess this is now flashparallels. good.
-It looked like the Island exploded postJughead. Something tells me Jughead didn't sink the Island, but something else all together.
-Darlton mentions in that EW interview that we can't be sure the island sunk because of the bomb (since we see things in the CGI shot that weren't built until after the bomb would have gone off) and they say that is a very important part of this new season. Of course, they're liars.
-I thought the underwater island tracking shot was pretty cool [the score for that got me excited], so perhaps I'm in the complete minority here. One thing I think we can all agree upon is that the scene between Not Locke and Ben was awesome. Terry O'Quinn and Bryan Cranston [Breaking Bad] are two of the best actors working in television today. agreed. I'd add Michael Emerson.
-Fake Locke is the best villain ever. Terry O'Quinn's chilling performance puts Ben whoa and every other villain on the show to shame, both on its own merits and because they've made it all the more piercing by contrasting him to John Locke's puppy dog naivete. well no I found villainous Ben more fascinating. both superbly acted, I suppose; but's Ben character more int.
-I gotta second all the praise for Terry O'Quinn's acting last night. I think he is set to just dominate this season the way Michael Emerson has with some seasons in the past.
-I love the confidence O'Quinn is bringing to this new version of his character. Whenever he and Michael Emmerson are together it's great.
-This show was at its best when Locke was a boar hunting bad ass with all that mystery around him. true that was cool. If smokey is the bad guy, and his success depends on killing all the rest of the 815er's, I'll still root for him as long as we get this confident Locke looking guy back.
-I was hoping Ben would just come out of the statue and say: "Hey. Just killed Jacob." nonchalantly. y. his confidence sure seems broken. and he had seemed so unbreakable. rewatched 3.4 where he says to Saywer: The only way to get a con-man's respect is to con him. You're good. We're much better." I love his delivery, how sure he always was.
-When Terry O'Quinn plays a character without inner turmoil or self doubt, he is by far the most charismatic actor working in televison in my humble opinion. Even Locke in the airport was a joy.
-Not only O'Quinn, but the lighting, the way he leaned forward into the light when he talked about how Locke understood how sad his life was, and how there was dignity to him, and right back into the shadows when he talked about his death. That was some great directing right there.
-chum joely: I'm still not totally convinced that the Esau dude has actually taken Locke's or taken over his form, etc. We have a time travel storyline with parallel universes going on here, so the fact that we can see "UnLocke" more or less right next to the corpse of "Locke" doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't the same person. Maybe "UnLocke" is actually just Locke after he's been around the time loop a couple hundred times and has LEARNED to be a Time Lord, possibly directly from Esau. well. wld be cool for it to turn out to be Locke himself. but I think Darlton saying Locke is dead means unlikely. The whole universe of LOST is just so mind-bending and weird to think about that I have trouble ruling out any particular story on what's going on. So I'll go with the theories that are most aesthetically pleasing to me.
-DSig80: In S3 I thought they were setting up something like this alternate reality plot for S4 (although I can't complain, the flash forwards were a ton of fun.) Season 3 seemed to have a number of moments where things we found out contradicted things we knew already. *{For example, Season 1 Charlie couldn't swim but Season 3 Charlie was a champion swimmer. Season 1 Sayid couldn't speak French and Season 3 Sayid had lived and worked in Paris.}* would be cool if those changes were intentional. I always thought that perhaps Desmond's time shifting was causing changes and I was excited to look for little intentional inconsistencies; so I was elated watching the show and picking those out tonight! I can't wait to see what is ahead!
-foghs: We've already had to incorporate the actual presences of Jacob and Black-Shirt as the largest functional players. That's a lot to ask of us, actually, because while their story may be of interest from a purely structural & thematic perspective, or for curiosity's sake, there's no reason to empathize with them, and, dramatically, their meta-narrative deprives the people we should & do care about of agency (or "weight" to use Noel's more-appropriate term). I'm not saying Jacob ruined the show or anything. I'm just saying that's a big, tricky bit of business to work with already.
-lone audience: The Jensen article cites Liebniz's "best of all possible worlds" argument. I found this appropriate because the argument arose from the idea that there exists an interventionary God and that this being cannot do wrong. Lost has been since its first season an analysis and, in some ways, an excoriation of the notion of an interventionary God. It has always been about Jacob and Esau; it has always been about being robbed of agency. If you don't like that theme, you probably won't like the rest of Lost.
-holland oates: Why are the Others still walking around in rags? Didn't we see through their little island savages charade a long time ago, namely when they took Jack & Kate & Sawyer prisoner?
-Those weren't rags. They were the clothes of people who lived in a jungle. Big difference; check out any shot of Others from s2 and compare to a shot of them tonight.
-holland oates: I'll keep a closer eye on the Others' outfits on a rewatch, but most of the outfits seemed pretty raggy to me. Not the Japanese guy and Deadwood guy, though. But everyone was wearing pretty normal clothes in s3 & it's not been that long since they left the old Dharma camp for the temple.
-holland oates: Wait, scratch that. It's been three years, right? ah right 2007. a lot of time-jumping happened in little time after s3, but then three years did pass: Jack & Kate & Hurley & Sun & Sayid back in world. Sawyer & Juliet & Jin & Miles in Dharma, OK, conceded. Maybe. hee.
-kunta: Yeah, living in the jungle wasn't a charade. Living in the Dharma barracks was the charade, and Locke called Ben on it. ~that Ben had altered the Others for the worse by living in Dharmaville etc (? only vague recall of Locke 'calling' Ben on the charade)
-holland oates: @kunta Yeah, but they did live in the barracks, with normal clothes. The Others had to don disguises when dealing with the Losties why?! — even if the disguises were depicting something closer to what they should have been doing. ie being island savages? living in the jungle, not in play suburbia?
this is a hang-up for me, sth I'd like addressed: the Others.
what else am I hung-up on, wanting 'answer' to? the psychic in Claire's first flashback (& later in Eko's): what was his connection to the island? why did he talk about "good people" and want Claire w Aaron on flight 815? that's the raised-by-single-episode bit I haen't let go. and maybe we will get a bit of an answer, at least as regards aaron having some kind of destined role on the island.
but I suppose we probably will not get much explanation of the Others' behavior back in s2 & s3. I wish we would. why the disguises? why take Walt? why the experiments & mindgames? Ben needed Jack to do surgery on him, ok, so that goes a little way twd explaining capturing him and also Sawyer & Kate for leverage ~ but even if imagine kidnapping made sense, why cages & cruelty? I'd like to be given some information about the purpose of the Others (serving Jacob? why would Jacob have needed them to toy with the Losties?) that makes sense out of this, but I doubt we will be. I guess it seems like that was all just making these other people on the island weird spooky, and was not really worked into the master plan.
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-Speaking of the mark, I was sure that they were going to try to take Juliet to The Temple, and that she'd be denied entry because of the mark.
-Dowd: Juliet couldn't be saved by the Temple. She already was. You have to die in the Spring to become one of the Others. But you don't get to do it twice.
-i and 1: Yeah, Dowd, I know. Good point. huh so this is known? the Others have all died & been reborn in the spring? I know Ben was healed by the spring & thus forgot evth (?) prior & became an Other. but, Juliet hadn't forgotten her prior life.
and hmm, this is an idea haven't seen elsewhere. unlikely but noting here in case:
-Sayid, in my opinion, is going to wake up with a memory as if he had just been pulled to the island, three years after the flight to LA. well but then shouldn't he have said, "Who are you?" or "where am I?" rather than "What happened?" This is the side effect that was mentioned. wrt Ben? However, he is going to reveal that there are small subtle differences between the things he remembers and what the others remember, leading them to try to understand what is going on, and leading them to the parallel dimension theory.
the idea that is all over is that Jacob is not inhabiting Sayid's body. I guess I'm hoping not.
-forget_it: I don't know that I get behind the theory that Sayid is now Jacob, if only because a Sayid vs Locke polarity feels off . Those two characters really never had much to do with each other huh they didn't did they? must hae had some noteworthy interactions, right? but none come to mind, and having them embody these nemeses seems less compelling than, say, Jack vs Locke or Sayid vs Sawyer. It just doesn't resonate. y well said.
in response to complaints about Juliet being alive only to have "another" dying goodbye with Sawyer:
-simo: You're all forgetting that Juliet didn't actually die when she fell down the well. I'm glad that she was still alive in 2007. There was no reason for the rest of the Losties to not be killed along with Juliet if Jughead was going to kill her. good point. The only way that would make sense for her to be dead if she was transported into 2007 into solid rock.
-loneaudience: We didn't see Juliet die in The Incident; it made sense that she still had to die.
-autobot: We needed Juliet to die a "second time" so that she could share that important bit of information that detonating the bomb "worked."
-holland oates: We could have gotten that info via Miles talking to a dead Juliet, though. I found the repeated death scene to be a bit of an eye-roller.
-occono: They established that corpses wouldn't come along with the time skips back when Charlotte died, so they needed her alive at first. ooh. good obseration. if Juliet had already died, her body would not have arrived in 2007 with them for Miles to talk to.
-I hope that her conversation from another time and "it worked" will all come into play. Esply since there's a pretty good theory that she's the new Desmond time-traveling consciousness (or, she could just be haing the time traveling sickness wh looked similar but), since she was in exactly the same spot as Desmond's mishap that jarred him loose from time seemed to happen. hmm int. ie right by the explosion, Juliet of the bomb (~nuclear; but right near a magnetic energy 'pocket'?), Desmond of the hatch (~magnetic; but he was turning the fail safe key wh was a last resort to blow up the hatch, did it detonate a bomb?).
-Juliet definitely flashed to the alternate timeline self due to her proximity to the explosion. We will see her in Universe B, with something involving asking someone to get coffee sometime, and whatever else she was saying when she was crazybabbling re going dutch. Like what they did with Charlotte. I would bet enough money to pay off my student loans on this.
-She knew who James was and was buying coffee. They meet in the 'real world' in the future is my bet.
-They've done flashbacks, flashforwards, flashelsewheres ah good name for s5 jumps; think were called flashsideways (since btw simultaneous action at diff places) wh is confusing bcs it's also wh producers are calling the current flashes (btw parallel worlds, but at diff moments: 2007 / 2004) , so I guess this is now flashparallels. good.
-It looked like the Island exploded postJughead. Something tells me Jughead didn't sink the Island, but something else all together.
-Darlton mentions in that EW interview that we can't be sure the island sunk because of the bomb (since we see things in the CGI shot that weren't built until after the bomb would have gone off) and they say that is a very important part of this new season. Of course, they're liars.
-I thought the underwater island tracking shot was pretty cool [the score for that got me excited], so perhaps I'm in the complete minority here. One thing I think we can all agree upon is that the scene between Not Locke and Ben was awesome. Terry O'Quinn and Bryan Cranston [Breaking Bad] are two of the best actors working in television today. agreed. I'd add Michael Emerson.
-Fake Locke is the best villain ever. Terry O'Quinn's chilling performance puts Ben whoa and every other villain on the show to shame, both on its own merits and because they've made it all the more piercing by contrasting him to John Locke's puppy dog naivete. well no I found villainous Ben more fascinating. both superbly acted, I suppose; but's Ben character more int.
-I gotta second all the praise for Terry O'Quinn's acting last night. I think he is set to just dominate this season the way Michael Emerson has with some seasons in the past.
-I love the confidence O'Quinn is bringing to this new version of his character. Whenever he and Michael Emmerson are together it's great.
-This show was at its best when Locke was a boar hunting bad ass with all that mystery around him. true that was cool. If smokey is the bad guy, and his success depends on killing all the rest of the 815er's, I'll still root for him as long as we get this confident Locke looking guy back.
-I was hoping Ben would just come out of the statue and say: "Hey. Just killed Jacob." nonchalantly. y. his confidence sure seems broken. and he had seemed so unbreakable. rewatched 3.4 where he says to Saywer: The only way to get a con-man's respect is to con him. You're good. We're much better." I love his delivery, how sure he always was.
-When Terry O'Quinn plays a character without inner turmoil or self doubt, he is by far the most charismatic actor working in televison in my humble opinion. Even Locke in the airport was a joy.
-Not only O'Quinn, but the lighting, the way he leaned forward into the light when he talked about how Locke understood how sad his life was, and how there was dignity to him, and right back into the shadows when he talked about his death. That was some great directing right there.
-chum joely: I'm still not totally convinced that the Esau dude has actually taken Locke's or taken over his form, etc. We have a time travel storyline with parallel universes going on here, so the fact that we can see "UnLocke" more or less right next to the corpse of "Locke" doesn't necessarily mean that they aren't the same person. Maybe "UnLocke" is actually just Locke after he's been around the time loop a couple hundred times and has LEARNED to be a Time Lord, possibly directly from Esau. well. wld be cool for it to turn out to be Locke himself. but I think Darlton saying Locke is dead means unlikely. The whole universe of LOST is just so mind-bending and weird to think about that I have trouble ruling out any particular story on what's going on. So I'll go with the theories that are most aesthetically pleasing to me.
-DSig80: In S3 I thought they were setting up something like this alternate reality plot for S4 (although I can't complain, the flash forwards were a ton of fun.) Season 3 seemed to have a number of moments where things we found out contradicted things we knew already. *{For example, Season 1 Charlie couldn't swim but Season 3 Charlie was a champion swimmer. Season 1 Sayid couldn't speak French and Season 3 Sayid had lived and worked in Paris.}* would be cool if those changes were intentional. I always thought that perhaps Desmond's time shifting was causing changes and I was excited to look for little intentional inconsistencies; so I was elated watching the show and picking those out tonight! I can't wait to see what is ahead!
-foghs: We've already had to incorporate the actual presences of Jacob and Black-Shirt as the largest functional players. That's a lot to ask of us, actually, because while their story may be of interest from a purely structural & thematic perspective, or for curiosity's sake, there's no reason to empathize with them, and, dramatically, their meta-narrative deprives the people we should & do care about of agency (or "weight" to use Noel's more-appropriate term). I'm not saying Jacob ruined the show or anything. I'm just saying that's a big, tricky bit of business to work with already.
-lone audience: The Jensen article cites Liebniz's "best of all possible worlds" argument. I found this appropriate because the argument arose from the idea that there exists an interventionary God and that this being cannot do wrong. Lost has been since its first season an analysis and, in some ways, an excoriation of the notion of an interventionary God. It has always been about Jacob and Esau; it has always been about being robbed of agency. If you don't like that theme, you probably won't like the rest of Lost.
Wednesday, February 3, 2010
Tuned In: A Different World (s) - Review of Lost, LA X: Parts 1 and 2 - TIME.com - 100+ COMMENTS 3PAGES
Reset 2007? No:
Jms: Were the circumstances of the 2007 island wh Smokey, Ben, Sun & Richard were last season always been in a reset island timeline where bomb worked? well~what's re-set about it? there, so far, seems cld still be: WHH. incident threw Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jin, Miles back to 2007. (but~ that demolished Dharmaville ~ so I don't know, maybe did change 2007, & Sun et al *were* in th changed timeline.)
chriskw:@James, I don't think 2007 has been reset. By that I mean that in that timeline the H-Bomb never went off. good. wanted to see cmmt addressing Jms re "reset 2007". Juliet set off in the bomb in the timeline where Oceaninc 815 doesn't crash. hm, ok, right, if bomb went off, island wld not be there. it is there in 2007 storyline, so in that storyline, no bomb. Then Jack, Kate, Sawyer and the rest transported back to the "original" timeline with the others in 2007. I have feeling they'll never explain why the H-bomb didn't just kill them but in fact sent them through time but also universes. I think the only reset timeline is the one in 2004 where the plane lands. The only thing that changed in 2007 was the Jack and Co. got transported back to it. And that isn't technically a change since it happens at the exact point in '07 that we left off last year. good good right on.
Reset 2004:
"It'll be interesting to see how this H-Bomb explosion somehow affected events that seemed to precede the plane crash"
shara says: Hurley not being cursed: if the island stopped existing, the numbers wouldn't have been broadcast, and he wouldn't have ever come in contact with the cursed numbers (right? right. good. direct effect of no island.), hence Lucky Hurley.
chaddogg,p2: It will be interesting to see, this year, how profoundly the characters' lives were changed if the Island ceased to exist after 1977. I mean, we notably didn't see if Claire was or was not pregnant in alt-2004: she was only seen in the cab with Kate, & we never saw if she was carrying a child. not clear that island's existence caused her to get pregnant by her boyfriend, but I suppose we could find out some cause & effect there. I'd have liked if that boyfriend had, as I'd seen theorized as a possibility, turned out to be Amy Goodspeed's baby on the island (rather than Ethan). the Goodspeeds would have died in the bomb right? (well, not if Amy & baby were evacuated when Dr.Chang ordered ppl off island) but that cld have explained the boyfriend not being around to meet Clare. and I liked idea that his island-ish themed paintings did indicate a relation he had to the island, for all that we only saw him in that one episode, Clare's first flashback, and the psychic said he wld have no role in aaron's life. thomas. that was the boyfriend's name.
..The subtle differences are amazing, and point to there being much BIGGER changes in these characters' lives as a result of the island never existing. I may not go as far as Tom Shaw (who suggests above that Sawyer is a sheriff and Desmond a drug dealer? y & also re Sayid going not to meet Nadya (looks at her in photo) but to arrest her. seems unlikely, & crtnly not much to suggest it. seen before fr Tom Shaw, astute but then these fr-left-field guesses, oddly specific, for fun? but stated as if is.the.case.) but...
archstanton68: Desmond was not on the plane originally, but was in the alt timeline. Makes sense if the island isn't there to disrupt his race. right. three years before flight 815. wrecked at island, then all that time in the hatch pressing button. As for him being "unstuck" in time again, I don't think that's what is happening. When he was unstuck, his consciousness moved through various events in his life. right me niether. though not sure what's up w that. He was never bodily moving through time like Sawyer et al were last season. He could have easily returned to his original seat to get his carry-on or something. His possible vanishing feels like a distraction to get us thinking the wrong things. is a little weird how writers called attn to it, w Jack looking for him, no one around him able to say saw him.
..p2: Widmore was on the island when the h-bomb went off, so he (& Eloise Hawking) were possibly probably killed in that timeline. This would mean no Faraday. But I thought Widmore had already gotten in trouble for his off-island exploits (fathering Penny), so she should still exist in alt 2004 (minus the daddy issues why minus, she still has him for a father, so? oh.. no, he died. he had already fathered her off island, but was on island when bomb, so died, got it).
..p3: Miles and Charlotte should still exist since they were part of the DI group that Chang told to evacuate prior to the incident. As for Faraday, he hadn't been born yet and his mother was on the island when jughead went off. parents dead. no Faraday.
-I really want to know about Jack's neck wound. y. on the plane. signif?
-Tom Shaw: Sayid isn't Jacob, Sayid is Sayid. That was the entire point of Miles' "Nothing" comment: there was no ghost activity from Sayid, because he wasn't dead. that's my preference and I think probably he is Sayid. ~maybe w some Jacob influence or sth (does Ben have sth in him fr his rebirth at temple?)
Smokey as judge? as security system?
p2:
Dave: I think MIB from the S5 finale is just another dead-but-not-buried person from the Island from that time period. Heck, maybe that's Adam of the skeletons, huh that'd be cool. though no, I think prob was his own person form: he wasn't buried, so Smokey just made use of the body whenever he felt like chillaxing with Jacob.
ellesk: That's a really interesting theory that has never crossed my mind before. I just always assumed that it was the whole Man in White (Jacob) vs. Man in Black (Esau) and they were in their actual corporeal forms. Although I guess that would account for why UnLocke doesn't go back to his "original" form (ie. MIB) ok good pnt once the rest of the islanders realize he isn't actually Locke. Though that begs the question: why is only one of them actually & physically there? And what does that say for that painting we saw in the temple where the Smoke Monster seemed to be called & directed by some Egyptian god-looking figure. Was that supposed to be Jacob? Because he didn't seem to be able to control him.
And while we're on the topic of Smoke, what about the discrepancy between the "I want to go home," manipulative Smokey and the "judgment system"? I know Ben's judgment was a facade, but what about Eko?
...& re Smokey AS SECURITY SYSTEM, Sepinwall: When Locke turned out to not be Locke in last year's finale, I wondered exactly why the smoke monster, which we'd been previously told was the island's "security system" glas to read that, had been wondering about how wld reconcile , would tell Ben to blindly follow a man who turned out to not be acting in the interests of the island (and-or Jacob, if you can separate the two). Well, now we know: Smokey ain't working for Jacob, but against him, and is made up of the Man in Black. Like so many Lost mysteries, the explanation raises up plenty of new questions: for starters, why Smokey would be willing to work with Ben in previous periods, when Ben was following the orders of Jacob...
Non-Locke .. also finally, more clearly delineates between the good guys and the bad guys (I think). Since Jacob=light, and Esau=dark, and The Others were with Jacob, and our heroes are now with The Others, that should lay things clear, right? (Of course, we'll still need to learn why The Others were all into kidnapping, torture and other experiments while Jacob was still alive, or if we're just supposed to write that off to Ben being kind of a dick as the human leader.)
my dlcs pgmrk sum ?s. Jacob & Others & now Losties all on same side. vs man in black = smoke monster. so, why were th Others into kidnapping, torture, etc? why wld Smokey be willing to work w Ben in past? and, unless Rousseau just wrong, to act as island's /& temple's?*/ "security system"?
*yes yay as temple's security system, here go, cmmt on p1 tuned in:
-tenderfeet: Didn't the smoke monster tend to show up when they were in that general region near the temple? I know it did when the French crew got near and I thought the original Losties encountered it when near there too (didn't Locke almost get dragged underground there?) yeah & besides Rouseau calling it a security system in 'the dark territory' near the Black Rock, at end S1, I think also it was mentioned again in s5 (maybe in storyline around young Rousseau & team) as security system specifically for the temple.
-Where is home for the Man in Black?
Lindelof & Cuse Q&A in EW print magazine:
Jensen: Fake Locke said "I want to go home." Where's home?
Cuse: He wants to leave the island. If you start thinking about the ramifications of what happens if the smoke monster can leave the island...it's maybe not a good thing. why not?? removes 'single largest threat' to island inhabitants, right? (so ~ sth not yet revealed, re necess of duality: black to white, yin to yang?)
-samposts: I think that Juliet's words are really telling as to what we are actually watching.
I think that Smocke's dialogue at the end is really indicative of what we're going to see as well.Is Smokey's home the Temple? It's certainly somewhere he can't go. y...
He said he was disappointed in the people on the beach. ah. good. hadn't read any cmmt yet on that. int. Was he their leader at some point? Did they betray him? Or is he just offering his judgement as it appears he has done before?
And when was Richard in chains? Black Rock. seems he may have been a slave on the ship? Can't wait for the story on that one. me too.
~also asked, what's deal w Christian ~ was his apparition sometimes, always, never the Man in Black?
p3
-when Locke was in the hospital and Widmore visited, Widmore said something like "There's a war coming John, and if you're not back when that happens the wrong side is going to win." I guess we're going to see that war now. Also, anybody else suspect that Widmore might be working for Smokey? Could Widmore have known about the MIB's plot to assume Locke's form and helped him by ensuring that Locke got back to the island? y. I wldn't have tht Widmore working for Smokey, but why did he say that?
***One of my teachers constantly tells us that our stories need to not be just linear (the story starts at A and ends at B), but expand in all directions. No show does that better than Lost. ***
What's Alan Watching?: Lost, "LA X": Multi-tasking COMMENTS
...not much read yet... was 99 comments this afternoon (actually less than the 115 then on Tuned In!) but now 163 (to Tuned In's 124)
-Stef said...I totally agree with JJ and others above. The 2007 storyline will culminate in a battle that results in killing the MIB, and that's what will reset the storyline to what we started to see in LA X. There will be some differences like we've already seen - but that's how the storylines will eventually merge. I think they still have to "earn" the reset somehow, to end the cycle that Jacob and the MIB started. I like that.
Reset 2007? No:
Jms: Were the circumstances of the 2007 island wh Smokey, Ben, Sun & Richard were last season always been in a reset island timeline where bomb worked? well~what's re-set about it? there, so far, seems cld still be: WHH. incident threw Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jin, Miles back to 2007. (but~ that demolished Dharmaville ~ so I don't know, maybe did change 2007, & Sun et al *were* in th changed timeline.)
chriskw:@James, I don't think 2007 has been reset. By that I mean that in that timeline the H-Bomb never went off. good. wanted to see cmmt addressing Jms re "reset 2007". Juliet set off in the bomb in the timeline where Oceaninc 815 doesn't crash. hm, ok, right, if bomb went off, island wld not be there. it is there in 2007 storyline, so in that storyline, no bomb. Then Jack, Kate, Sawyer and the rest transported back to the "original" timeline with the others in 2007. I have feeling they'll never explain why the H-bomb didn't just kill them but in fact sent them through time but also universes. I think the only reset timeline is the one in 2004 where the plane lands. The only thing that changed in 2007 was the Jack and Co. got transported back to it. And that isn't technically a change since it happens at the exact point in '07 that we left off last year. good good right on.
Reset 2004:
"It'll be interesting to see how this H-Bomb explosion somehow affected events that seemed to precede the plane crash"
shara says: Hurley not being cursed: if the island stopped existing, the numbers wouldn't have been broadcast, and he wouldn't have ever come in contact with the cursed numbers (right? right. good. direct effect of no island.), hence Lucky Hurley.
chaddogg,p2: It will be interesting to see, this year, how profoundly the characters' lives were changed if the Island ceased to exist after 1977. I mean, we notably didn't see if Claire was or was not pregnant in alt-2004: she was only seen in the cab with Kate, & we never saw if she was carrying a child. not clear that island's existence caused her to get pregnant by her boyfriend, but I suppose we could find out some cause & effect there. I'd have liked if that boyfriend had, as I'd seen theorized as a possibility, turned out to be Amy Goodspeed's baby on the island (rather than Ethan). the Goodspeeds would have died in the bomb right? (well, not if Amy & baby were evacuated when Dr.Chang ordered ppl off island) but that cld have explained the boyfriend not being around to meet Clare. and I liked idea that his island-ish themed paintings did indicate a relation he had to the island, for all that we only saw him in that one episode, Clare's first flashback, and the psychic said he wld have no role in aaron's life. thomas. that was the boyfriend's name.
..The subtle differences are amazing, and point to there being much BIGGER changes in these characters' lives as a result of the island never existing. I may not go as far as Tom Shaw (who suggests above that Sawyer is a sheriff and Desmond a drug dealer? y & also re Sayid going not to meet Nadya (looks at her in photo) but to arrest her. seems unlikely, & crtnly not much to suggest it. seen before fr Tom Shaw, astute but then these fr-left-field guesses, oddly specific, for fun? but stated as if is.the.case.) but...
archstanton68: Desmond was not on the plane originally, but was in the alt timeline. Makes sense if the island isn't there to disrupt his race. right. three years before flight 815. wrecked at island, then all that time in the hatch pressing button. As for him being "unstuck" in time again, I don't think that's what is happening. When he was unstuck, his consciousness moved through various events in his life. right me niether. though not sure what's up w that. He was never bodily moving through time like Sawyer et al were last season. He could have easily returned to his original seat to get his carry-on or something. His possible vanishing feels like a distraction to get us thinking the wrong things. is a little weird how writers called attn to it, w Jack looking for him, no one around him able to say saw him.
..p2: Widmore was on the island when the h-bomb went off, so he (& Eloise Hawking) were possibly probably killed in that timeline. This would mean no Faraday. But I thought Widmore had already gotten in trouble for his off-island exploits (fathering Penny), so she should still exist in alt 2004 (minus the daddy issues why minus, she still has him for a father, so? oh.. no, he died. he had already fathered her off island, but was on island when bomb, so died, got it).
..p3: Miles and Charlotte should still exist since they were part of the DI group that Chang told to evacuate prior to the incident. As for Faraday, he hadn't been born yet and his mother was on the island when jughead went off. parents dead. no Faraday.
-I really want to know about Jack's neck wound. y. on the plane. signif?
-Tom Shaw: Sayid isn't Jacob, Sayid is Sayid. That was the entire point of Miles' "Nothing" comment: there was no ghost activity from Sayid, because he wasn't dead. that's my preference and I think probably he is Sayid. ~maybe w some Jacob influence or sth (does Ben have sth in him fr his rebirth at temple?)
Smokey as judge? as security system?
p2:
Dave: I think MIB from the S5 finale is just another dead-but-not-buried person from the Island from that time period. Heck, maybe that's Adam of the skeletons, huh that'd be cool. though no, I think prob was his own person form: he wasn't buried, so Smokey just made use of the body whenever he felt like chillaxing with Jacob.
ellesk: That's a really interesting theory that has never crossed my mind before. I just always assumed that it was the whole Man in White (Jacob) vs. Man in Black (Esau) and they were in their actual corporeal forms. Although I guess that would account for why UnLocke doesn't go back to his "original" form (ie. MIB) ok good pnt once the rest of the islanders realize he isn't actually Locke. Though that begs the question: why is only one of them actually & physically there? And what does that say for that painting we saw in the temple where the Smoke Monster seemed to be called & directed by some Egyptian god-looking figure. Was that supposed to be Jacob? Because he didn't seem to be able to control him.
And while we're on the topic of Smoke, what about the discrepancy between the "I want to go home," manipulative Smokey and the "judgment system"? I know Ben's judgment was a facade, but what about Eko?
...& re Smokey AS SECURITY SYSTEM, Sepinwall: When Locke turned out to not be Locke in last year's finale, I wondered exactly why the smoke monster, which we'd been previously told was the island's "security system" glas to read that, had been wondering about how wld reconcile , would tell Ben to blindly follow a man who turned out to not be acting in the interests of the island (and-or Jacob, if you can separate the two). Well, now we know: Smokey ain't working for Jacob, but against him, and is made up of the Man in Black. Like so many Lost mysteries, the explanation raises up plenty of new questions: for starters, why Smokey would be willing to work with Ben in previous periods, when Ben was following the orders of Jacob...
Non-Locke .. also finally, more clearly delineates between the good guys and the bad guys (I think). Since Jacob=light, and Esau=dark, and The Others were with Jacob, and our heroes are now with The Others, that should lay things clear, right? (Of course, we'll still need to learn why The Others were all into kidnapping, torture and other experiments while Jacob was still alive, or if we're just supposed to write that off to Ben being kind of a dick as the human leader.)
my dlcs pgmrk sum ?s. Jacob & Others & now Losties all on same side. vs man in black = smoke monster. so, why were th Others into kidnapping, torture, etc? why wld Smokey be willing to work w Ben in past? and, unless Rousseau just wrong, to act as island's /& temple's?*/ "security system"?
*yes yay as temple's security system, here go, cmmt on p1 tuned in:
-tenderfeet: Didn't the smoke monster tend to show up when they were in that general region near the temple? I know it did when the French crew got near and I thought the original Losties encountered it when near there too (didn't Locke almost get dragged underground there?) yeah & besides Rouseau calling it a security system in 'the dark territory' near the Black Rock, at end S1, I think also it was mentioned again in s5 (maybe in storyline around young Rousseau & team) as security system specifically for the temple.
-Where is home for the Man in Black?
Lindelof & Cuse Q&A in EW print magazine:
Jensen: Fake Locke said "I want to go home." Where's home?
Cuse: He wants to leave the island. If you start thinking about the ramifications of what happens if the smoke monster can leave the island...it's maybe not a good thing. why not?? removes 'single largest threat' to island inhabitants, right? (so ~ sth not yet revealed, re necess of duality: black to white, yin to yang?)
-samposts: I think that Juliet's words are really telling as to what we are actually watching.
I think that Smocke's dialogue at the end is really indicative of what we're going to see as well.Is Smokey's home the Temple? It's certainly somewhere he can't go. y...
He said he was disappointed in the people on the beach. ah. good. hadn't read any cmmt yet on that. int. Was he their leader at some point? Did they betray him? Or is he just offering his judgement as it appears he has done before?
And when was Richard in chains? Black Rock. seems he may have been a slave on the ship? Can't wait for the story on that one. me too.
~also asked, what's deal w Christian ~ was his apparition sometimes, always, never the Man in Black?
p3
-when Locke was in the hospital and Widmore visited, Widmore said something like "There's a war coming John, and if you're not back when that happens the wrong side is going to win." I guess we're going to see that war now. Also, anybody else suspect that Widmore might be working for Smokey? Could Widmore have known about the MIB's plot to assume Locke's form and helped him by ensuring that Locke got back to the island? y. I wldn't have tht Widmore working for Smokey, but why did he say that?
***One of my teachers constantly tells us that our stories need to not be just linear (the story starts at A and ends at B), but expand in all directions. No show does that better than Lost. ***
What's Alan Watching?: Lost, "LA X": Multi-tasking COMMENTS
...not much read yet... was 99 comments this afternoon (actually less than the 115 then on Tuned In!) but now 163 (to Tuned In's 124)
-Stef said...I totally agree with JJ and others above. The 2007 storyline will culminate in a battle that results in killing the MIB, and that's what will reset the storyline to what we started to see in LA X. There will be some differences like we've already seen - but that's how the storylines will eventually merge. I think they still have to "earn" the reset somehow, to end the cycle that Jacob and the MIB started. I like that.
Happy Lost Day! - Tuned In - TIME: What are you looking forward to most?
-chaddogg: What am I looking forward to most about Lost's final season premiere? Honestly, it's probably coming here tomorrow & reading & chatting w everyone about it. James, Tom Shaw, shara says, mo ryan (when she puts down the Twitter & heads over here from the Chicago Tribune), etc. all really help make Lost so much fun. So yeah, I'm looking forward to dissecting Lost with all of you tomorrow morning the most. aw.
-mimsysnark: Definitely have to second that sentiment! I only caught up watching last weekend, but I still never resisted reading everyone else's discussion. I didn't mind being "spoiled" on plot points, because the discussions are so lively and intriguing! y
-Dave: I absolutely agree. I love the discussion.
y I like the show Lost. watching it. but I think *more* than watching, I like:
=the Lostpedia episode pages w, for each episode lists of: unanswered qstns raised (love this) + speculated answers on 'theory' tab for page; storytelling techniques; recurring themes. I really like Lostpedia. suppose credit goes to Lost for expanding in all directions, telling stories off stories off stories (twigs off twigs off branches off tree - something mentioned in passing eventually expanded into own foreground detail - or maybe this was the advantage of the long second & third seasons w all those flashbacks), and Lostpedia is able to represent this so elegantly with hyperlinked wikipedia style. look up any person, object, theme, 'rivalry' (of chars), 'pairing' (of chars into couples). read whole story wrt one character at the center, on that char's page, or read each episode page for story wrt everyone involved. etc. etc. etc. it's the web dream. all roads, all directions.
=the Tuned In blog commenters community. mostly all good cmmts. Dave, Matt, Tom Shaw. chaddog. & who was that long emotive funny cmmtr, posted maybe just 2 -3 times, lostepic I think, hope see cmmts fr again.
~the Sepinwall more numerous comments, some v good (but less signal : noise)
-the Doc Jensen analysis (extensive, goes deep or rather ~ far ~ down numerous interpretive paths)& esp, the Totally Lost videos. I really enjoy those lots. I like that they know the show, no generic or inattentive commentary, and I like how they put their videos tgthr. like their humor. really like Sniersen.
......
also: twop threads. tvtattle round-ups.
oh! Long Live Locke = thorough write-up (posted few days later) & I like her sharp use of lyrics as sxn titles.
oh, Tim Goodman at sfgate w commenters, esp hickcity. also: lieber, tiger sth? tigerstripes, sonofabastard (vm advocate if I recall right; still posting?).
see also av club write up by Noel Murray. have liked his write-ups of Lost at av club in past. used to incl 'flashbacks' where he wrote a bit about old episode just re-watched. liked that. y: here too, re rewatch of S4&5: FLASHBACKIN'
and this season, Todd Van Der Wolf writing up at latimes blog (formerly maybe at House Next Door, wh I v m liked his astute episode rvw analysis of big love)
Todd VanDerWerff (follow me on Twitter at @tvoti) did look at his twitter a bit this morning ~ earlier pgmrks, racing last nite vs Sepinwall, JmsP to see who got post re premiere up first. in past liked ToddVdW's detailed & careful ~ lit-crit analytical~ rvws of Big Love at HouseNextDoor. d n know wrote for LATimes showtracker blog. maybe that's new? seems y: I'll be your weekly "Lost" recapper for the season here at Showtracker. But in addition to that, I'll be presenting links to some of my favorite additional recaps and fan theories on Wednes evenings.
in past, also read mo ryan at chicago tribune, usually seems to me like the common (generic~smartish) view. & site is heavy to load. as is Tuned In now :( since time redesign last year, but that one's my fvr so will not be put off. and for a bit was incl washington post celebritology blog dueling review liz & jen but tone there is lighter, gabbier, says to me the obvious or generic not so thoughtful or meant things.
___________________________________________________________________________________________
so, my usual:
day of show-----read preview at EW by Doc Jensen & video Totally Lost w teasers. Tuned In 'Lost Day' discussn.
after show-----sometimes TWOP for immediate rxns. Tuned In. Sepinwall. & now+ToddW.
later & thr rest of week-----Doc Jensen's analysis. Long Live Locke.
... and sooner or later check out wh Tim Goodman & commenters at sfgate say. plus whtvr other blogs or discussns happen upon or feel like checking ...
-chaddogg: What am I looking forward to most about Lost's final season premiere? Honestly, it's probably coming here tomorrow & reading & chatting w everyone about it. James, Tom Shaw, shara says, mo ryan (when she puts down the Twitter & heads over here from the Chicago Tribune), etc. all really help make Lost so much fun. So yeah, I'm looking forward to dissecting Lost with all of you tomorrow morning the most. aw.
-mimsysnark: Definitely have to second that sentiment! I only caught up watching last weekend, but I still never resisted reading everyone else's discussion. I didn't mind being "spoiled" on plot points, because the discussions are so lively and intriguing! y
-Dave: I absolutely agree. I love the discussion.
y I like the show Lost. watching it. but I think *more* than watching, I like:
=the Lostpedia episode pages w, for each episode lists of: unanswered qstns raised (love this) + speculated answers on 'theory' tab for page; storytelling techniques; recurring themes. I really like Lostpedia. suppose credit goes to Lost for expanding in all directions, telling stories off stories off stories (twigs off twigs off branches off tree - something mentioned in passing eventually expanded into own foreground detail - or maybe this was the advantage of the long second & third seasons w all those flashbacks), and Lostpedia is able to represent this so elegantly with hyperlinked wikipedia style. look up any person, object, theme, 'rivalry' (of chars), 'pairing' (of chars into couples). read whole story wrt one character at the center, on that char's page, or read each episode page for story wrt everyone involved. etc. etc. etc. it's the web dream. all roads, all directions.
=the Tuned In blog commenters community. mostly all good cmmts. Dave, Matt, Tom Shaw. chaddog. & who was that long emotive funny cmmtr, posted maybe just 2 -3 times, lostepic I think, hope see cmmts fr again.
~the Sepinwall more numerous comments, some v good (but less signal : noise)
-the Doc Jensen analysis (extensive, goes deep or rather ~ far ~ down numerous interpretive paths)& esp, the Totally Lost videos. I really enjoy those lots. I like that they know the show, no generic or inattentive commentary, and I like how they put their videos tgthr. like their humor. really like Sniersen.
......
also: twop threads. tvtattle round-ups.
oh! Long Live Locke = thorough write-up (posted few days later) & I like her sharp use of lyrics as sxn titles.
oh, Tim Goodman at sfgate w commenters, esp hickcity. also: lieber, tiger sth? tigerstripes, sonofabastard (vm advocate if I recall right; still posting?).
see also av club write up by Noel Murray. have liked his write-ups of Lost at av club in past. used to incl 'flashbacks' where he wrote a bit about old episode just re-watched. liked that. y: here too, re rewatch of S4&5: FLASHBACKIN'
and this season, Todd Van Der Wolf writing up at latimes blog (formerly maybe at House Next Door, wh I v m liked his astute episode rvw analysis of big love)
Todd VanDerWerff (follow me on Twitter at @tvoti) did look at his twitter a bit this morning ~ earlier pgmrks, racing last nite vs Sepinwall, JmsP to see who got post re premiere up first. in past liked ToddVdW's detailed & careful ~ lit-crit analytical~ rvws of Big Love at HouseNextDoor. d n know wrote for LATimes showtracker blog. maybe that's new? seems y: I'll be your weekly "Lost" recapper for the season here at Showtracker. But in addition to that, I'll be presenting links to some of my favorite additional recaps and fan theories on Wednes evenings.
in past, also read mo ryan at chicago tribune, usually seems to me like the common (generic~smartish) view. & site is heavy to load. as is Tuned In now :( since time redesign last year, but that one's my fvr so will not be put off. and for a bit was incl washington post celebritology blog dueling review liz & jen but tone there is lighter, gabbier, says to me the obvious or generic not so thoughtful or meant things.
___________________________________________________________________________________________
so, my usual:
day of show-----read preview at EW by Doc Jensen & video Totally Lost w teasers. Tuned In 'Lost Day' discussn.
after show-----sometimes TWOP for immediate rxns. Tuned In. Sepinwall. & now+ToddW.
later & thr rest of week-----Doc Jensen's analysis. Long Live Locke.
... and sooner or later check out wh Tim Goodman & commenters at sfgate say. plus whtvr other blogs or discussns happen upon or feel like checking ...
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