Tuned In: A Different World (s) - Review of Lost, LA X: Parts 1 and 2 - TIME.com - 100+ COMMENTS 3PAGES

Reset 2007? No:

Jms: Were the circumstances of the 2007 island wh Smokey, Ben, Sun & Richard were last season always been in a reset island timeline where bomb worked? well~what's re-set about it? there, so far, seems cld still be: WHH. incident threw Jack, Kate, Hurley, Sayid, Jin, Miles back to 2007. (but~ that demolished Dharmaville ~ so I don't know, maybe did change 2007, & Sun et al *were* in th changed timeline.)

chriskw:@James, I don't think 2007 has been reset. By that I mean that in that timeline the H-Bomb never went off. good. wanted to see cmmt addressing Jms re "reset 2007". Juliet set off in the bomb in the timeline where Oceaninc 815 doesn't crash. hm, ok, right, if bomb went off, island wld not be there. it is there in 2007 storyline, so in that storyline, no bomb. Then Jack, Kate, Sawyer and the rest transported back to the "original" timeline with the others in 2007. I have feeling they'll never explain why the H-bomb didn't just kill them but in fact sent them through time but also universes. I think the only reset timeline is the one in 2004 where the plane lands. The only thing that changed in 2007 was the Jack and Co. got transported back to it. And that isn't technically a change since it happens at the exact point in '07 that we left off last year. good good right on.


Reset 2004:

"It'll be interesting to see how this H-Bomb explosion somehow affected events that seemed to precede the plane crash"

shara says: Hurley not being cursed: if the island stopped existing, the numbers wouldn't have been broadcast, and he wouldn't have ever come in contact with the cursed numbers (right? right. good. direct effect of no island.), hence Lucky Hurley.

chaddogg,p2: It will be interesting to see, this year, how profoundly the characters' lives were changed if the Island ceased to exist after 1977. I mean, we notably didn't see if Claire was or was not pregnant in alt-2004: she was only seen in the cab with Kate, & we never saw if she was carrying a child. not clear that island's existence caused her to get pregnant by her boyfriend, but I suppose we could find out some cause & effect there. I'd have liked if that boyfriend had, as I'd seen theorized as a possibility, turned out to be Amy Goodspeed's baby on the island (rather than Ethan). the Goodspeeds would have died in the bomb right? (well, not if Amy & baby were evacuated when Dr.Chang ordered ppl off island) but that cld have explained the boyfriend not being around to meet Clare. and I liked idea that his island-ish themed paintings did indicate a relation he had to the island, for all that we only saw him in that one episode, Clare's first flashback, and the psychic said he wld have no role in aaron's life. thomas. that was the boyfriend's name.

..The subtle differences are amazing, and point to there being much BIGGER changes in these characters' lives as a result of the island never existing. I may not go as far as Tom Shaw (who suggests above that Sawyer is a sheriff and Desmond a drug dealer? y & also re Sayid going not to meet Nadya (looks at her in photo) but to arrest her. seems unlikely, & crtnly not much to suggest it. seen before fr Tom Shaw, astute but then these fr-left-field guesses, oddly specific, for fun? but stated as if is.the.case.) but...

archstanton68: Desmond was not on the plane originally, but was in the alt timeline. Makes sense if the island isn't there to disrupt his race. right. three years before flight 815. wrecked at island, then all that time in the hatch pressing button. As for him being "unstuck" in time again, I don't think that's what is happening. When he was unstuck, his consciousness moved through various events in his life. right me niether. though not sure what's up w that. He was never bodily moving through time like Sawyer et al were last season. He could have easily returned to his original seat to get his carry-on or something. His possible vanishing feels like a distraction to get us thinking the wrong things. is a little weird how writers called attn to it, w Jack looking for him, no one around him able to say saw him.
..p2: Widmore was on the island when the h-bomb went off, so he (& Eloise Hawking) were possibly probably killed in that timeline. This would mean no Faraday. But I thought Widmore had already gotten in trouble for his off-island exploits (fathering Penny), so she should still exist in alt 2004 (minus the daddy issues why minus, she still has him for a father, so? oh.. no, he died. he had already fathered her off island, but was on island when bomb, so died, got it).
..p3: Miles and Charlotte should still exist since they were part of the DI group that Chang told to evacuate prior to the incident. As for Faraday, he hadn't been born yet and his mother was on the island when jughead went off. parents dead. no Faraday.

-I really want to know about Jack's neck wound. y. on the plane. signif?

-Tom Shaw: Sayid isn't Jacob, Sayid is Sayid. That was the entire point of Miles' "Nothing" comment: there was no ghost activity from Sayid, because he wasn't dead. that's my preference and I think probably he is Sayid. ~maybe w some Jacob influence or sth (does Ben have sth in him fr his rebirth at temple?)


Smokey as judge? as security system?

p2:

Dave: I think MIB from the S5 finale is just another dead-but-not-buried person from the Island from that time period. Heck, maybe that's Adam of the skeletons, huh that'd be cool. though no, I think prob was his own person form: he wasn't buried, so Smokey just made use of the body whenever he felt like chillaxing with Jacob.

ellesk: That's a really interesting theory that has never crossed my mind before. I just always assumed that it was the whole Man in White (Jacob) vs. Man in Black (Esau) and they were in their actual corporeal forms. Although I guess that would account for why UnLocke doesn't go back to his "original" form (ie. MIB) ok good pnt once the rest of the islanders realize he isn't actually Locke. Though that begs the question: why is only one of them actually & physically there? And what does that say for that painting we saw in the temple where the Smoke Monster seemed to be called & directed by some Egyptian god-looking figure. Was that supposed to be Jacob? Because he didn't seem to be able to control him.
And while we're on the topic of Smoke, what about the discrepancy between the "I want to go home," manipulative Smokey and the "judgment system"? I know Ben's judgment was a facade, but what about Eko?


...& re Smokey AS SECURITY SYSTEM, Sepinwall: When Locke turned out to not be Locke in last year's finale, I wondered exactly why the smoke monster, which we'd been previously told was the island's "security system" glas to read that, had been wondering about how wld reconcile , would tell Ben to blindly follow a man who turned out to not be acting in the interests of the island (and-or Jacob, if you can separate the two). Well, now we know: Smokey ain't working for Jacob, but against him, and is made up of the Man in Black. Like so many Lost mysteries, the explanation raises up plenty of new questions: for starters, why Smokey would be willing to work with Ben in previous periods, when Ben was following the orders of Jacob...
Non-Locke .. also finally, more clearly delineates between the good guys and the bad guys (I think). Since Jacob=light, and Esau=dark, and The Others were with Jacob, and our heroes are now with The Others, that should lay things clear, right? (Of course, we'll still need to learn why The Others were all into kidnapping, torture and other experiments while Jacob was still alive, or if we're just supposed to write that off to Ben being kind of a dick as the human leader.)
my dlcs pgmrk sum ?s. Jacob & Others & now Losties all on same side. vs man in black = smoke monster. so, why were th Others into kidnapping, torture, etc? why wld Smokey be willing to work w Ben in past? and, unless Rousseau just wrong, to act as island's /& temple's?*/ "security system"?

*yes yay as temple's security system, here go, cmmt on p1 tuned in:
-tenderfeet: Didn't the smoke monster tend to show up when they were in that general region near the temple? I know it did when the French crew got near and I thought the original Losties encountered it when near there too (didn't Locke almost get dragged underground there?) yeah & besides Rouseau calling it a security system in 'the dark territory' near the Black Rock, at end S1, I think also it was mentioned again in s5 (maybe in storyline around young Rousseau & team) as security system specifically for the temple.


-Where is home for the Man in Black?

Lindelof & Cuse Q&A in EW print magazine:
Jensen: Fake Locke said "I want to go home." Where's home?
Cuse: He wants to leave the island. If you start thinking about the ramifications of what happens if the smoke monster can leave the island...it's maybe not a good thing. why not?? removes 'single largest threat' to island inhabitants, right? (so ~ sth not yet revealed, re necess of duality: black to white, yin to yang?)

-samposts: I think that Juliet's words are really telling as to what we are actually watching.
I think that Smocke's dialogue at the end is really indicative of what we're going to see as well.Is Smokey's home the Temple? It's certainly somewhere he can't go. y...
He said he was disappointed in the people on the beach. ah. good. hadn't read any cmmt yet on that. int. Was he their leader at some point? Did they betray him? Or is he just offering his judgement as it appears he has done before?
And when was Richard in chains? Black Rock. seems he may have been a slave on the ship? Can't wait for the story on that one. me too.

~also asked, what's deal w Christian ~ was his apparition sometimes, always, never the Man in Black?


p3

-when Locke was in the hospital and Widmore visited, Widmore said something like "There's a war coming John, and if you're not back when that happens the wrong side is going to win." I guess we're going to see that war now. Also, anybody else suspect that Widmore might be working for Smokey? Could Widmore have known about the MIB's plot to assume Locke's form and helped him by ensuring that Locke got back to the island? y. I wldn't have tht Widmore working for Smokey, but why did he say that?


***One of my teachers constantly tells us that our stories need to not be just linear (the story starts at A and ends at B), but expand in all directions. No show does that better than Lost. ***



What's Alan Watching?: Lost, "LA X": Multi-tasking COMMENTS
...not much read yet... was 99 comments this afternoon (actually less than the 115 then on Tuned In!) but now 163 (to Tuned In's 124)

-Stef said...I totally agree with JJ and others above. The 2007 storyline will culminate in a battle that results in killing the MIB, and that's what will reset the storyline to what we started to see in LA X. There will be some differences like we've already seen - but that's how the storylines will eventually merge. I think they still have to "earn" the reset somehow, to end the cycle that Jacob and the MIB started. I like that.