idolbloglive.com - Season 9 | American Idol Season 9 Live Blog - Episode 43 (Finale)
'American Idol': We're live-blogging the Crystal Bowersox-Lee DeWyze season 9 finale! - M Slezak + cmmts | EW.com
this is kind of fun. big live Event. hello beegees, hello hall & oates, hello poison 'every rose has its thorn' I remember you
Lacey, Paige, Didi, Katie, Siobhan, and Crystal sing their non-obvious segue songs, “Beautiful” and, um..is it called “Stronger?” first few singers, seemed like each was an imprvmt over th last. Lacey eh I just d n enjoy her look. Didi ok. Katie ah now here is a voice, seems to me Katie can really sing. & Siobhan ~ bit weird in stage presence but always interesting, & powerful voice. then Crystal, who just as always elevates the song to another level.
Katie screams out an intro well done Katie for Christina Aguilera. Yikes! Christina looks like Princess Leia and Madonna’s love child as she sings a song I don’t know. Her tights are quite the bedazzled spectacle paired with a corset of some sort. I’m pretty sure she forgot her skirt backstage. y outfit was distracting, not expressive seeming. Whatever song that was managed to get a little better as it went along.I liked it pretty well. liked the warbles in the refrain, with her fingers drumming on the microphone.
Ryan chats up Papa Bowersox. He’s adorable! Crystal is up next to sing, “Ironic” and then introduces Alanis Morrisette. Cool! They’re singing, “You Oughta Know” with some creative lyric changes. hee hee Love it! They did a great job! Crystal seems just as professional & accomplished a performeras Alanis. she might even be better - ?
Undo It” is what Carrie Underwood sings next. It was 5 years ago that Carrie was crowned American Idol. She sounds great, but I don’t think I lo uh uh uh uhve the song. /I liked it: "I want to uh uh un-do it.
Next up is footage of Kris Allen presenting Crystal and Lee with the Ford cars they designed weeks back for the Ford video. Very cool! Then we see this week’s Ford commercial with Lee and Crystal singing, “My Wish” and a montage of clips from previous Ford commercials.
Crystal makes every song classy. or nearly.
Casey James sings “Every Rose Has It’s Thorn” and Bret Michaels joins him on stage. He of the recent health scares and winner of Celebrity Apprentice. {& ok y lead vocalist of the glam metal band Poison}
-Casey was just awesome tonight. Can’t wait to hear what he does on tour, & and then after. Surprised to see Bret Michaels… hmmm… ah well… was a great moment, and the guitar jamming at the end was sick! y show rg. I think casey might be a rock star.
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..& over at EW.. [live chat, show airing from 8 - 10 pm (7-9c my time)]
Wednesday May 26, 2010 7:33
-BowersoxloverBowersoxlover: Do you think dialidol could be wrong?
Slezak: DialIdol is inaccurate often enough that it's hard for me to truly have faith in its predictions.
-crystal4thewincrystal4thewin: Do you think there is any possibility for crystal to win? I feel like everyone is predicting lee including dial idol who has never been wrong on finale predictions. i really think she deserves it!
-Kris's CD is unexpectedly amazing. first time I'd seen or heard Kris Allen. 'The Truth' ~ 'honesty is honestly the hardest..' ~ seemd pretty good.
& poll at top of this live blog seems to indicate ppl still int in him
Which former Idol are you most looking forward to hearing perform tonight?
Kris Allen ( 48% )
Carrie Underwood ( 10% )
Kelly Clarkson & Fantasia Barrino duet ( 42% )
Wednesday May 26, 2010 8:54 Slezak 8:54
Slezak: Alanis in da house. Please don't sing "Thank U."
Slezak: Oh Em Gee.
Slezak: Are they really singing "You Oughtta Know."
Slezak: Yes they are!
Slezak: WOULD SHE GO DOWN WITH YOU TO THE THEATER?
hee. the lyric is 'down on' (.. 'at'? the theater? y guess so: @jiffywild: FOX butchered classic Alanis:"would she go down WITH you TO the theatre?)
-YES! Crystal Morrisette!!!!!
-Oh hells yeah! This just got waaaay better
-OK, THIS I CAN GET BEHIND.
-ha nice lyric change there Crystal y I wish they'd given that line to Alanis since going to draw attn, let the established star take it
-The Crystal/Alanis duet just MADE this season for me.
-The show finally started!
Slezak: I definitely enjoyed the vocals, but the staging and camerawork made me a little anxious. Did you guys see when Crystal almost tripped over a camera cord?
-Meg: I hope Alanis signed Crystal's guitar.
Slezak: MEG: ME TOO!
-Alanis is a walker on stage, no? She moves back and forth, side to side. I liked Crystal's cord trip. me too. I wasn't sure if I saw a mis-step or a spunky little hop.
-Can they do a duet for Crystal's album? Please? Pretty Please? With awesomesox on top?
9:01
Slezak: What is this ad about losers and second-best from BMW? Hmph.
Slezak: I mean both of these kids are ending the night with a record deal and a new car, yo!
-How much will crystal's Guitar be worth once it's completley covered?
-I saw her trip but I hoped she was skipping!
Slezak: Carrie Underwood about to perform "Undo It."
Slezak: At what point did RoboCarrie Contestant become a rock star? she was pretty rock star.
-about the time she started to really believe in herself
Slezak: Yep, I'm gonna buy this track tomorrow.
-What a change from the pink shirt and jeans from her audition.
-I would KILL for a Carrie-Kelly duet... oh huh wasn't there a Kelly Clarkson & Fantasia duet ~ must have missed that
-Hated her on Idol, though I love her now. Team Bo all the way! {Bo Bice was co-finalist w Carrie Underwood. I actually saw a bit of that finale. 2005 I guess? d n m know what I was seeing. turned on the tv bcs was ~ hanging about civilizedly, alison was coming up to see re taking care of lg while I went to Fla wedding. & had seen sth in joe's red eye, I think, about the finale. I think I liked Bo: he sang Sweet Home Alabama, I think
Slezak: I am a proud member of Team Bo as well.
9:08 Slezak: You gotta love Mr. Michaels for working overtime since his health scare.
Bret is a great sport here, too...really sharing the moment with Casey.
-Glad to see Brett Michaels is out and about after his health scare.
-Brett!! GEez, the man is EVERYWHERE since cheating death!Good for him.
-Bret Michaels is a total champ
Slezak: No guarantees on tomorrow, people. {oh I see, vis a vis Bret Michaels health scare. So download that Allison Iraheta CD today.
-Allison's CD is spectacular, i agree!
-ALLISON'S CD IS GREAT! Favs: Don't Waste the Pretty, Scars, Just Like You, Friday I'll Be Over U...but they're pretty much all good.
-I feel like Allison's album should be a mandatory step in introducing the brilliance of music to kids. huh, that good?
-I played Allison's CD at neighborhood pool loudspeaker. 5 people asked me for a copy.
Slezak: And with that, I end this commercial plug for Allison's "Just Like You" disc.
-Casey can sure play that gee-tar.
9:14 Slezak: Hrmmm...Lee paired with Chicago?
-I'm guessing the producers asked Simon"Who do you want to see in your last season finale?" and he picked EVERY band that would drive the young demographic away from Idol and towards X Factor.
Wednesday May 26, 2010 9:45
Slezak: Siobhan front and center...and the Idols are singing live..."Again."
Slezak: KELLY CLARKSON.
Slezak:And Rooooooooben!
Slezak: AND FANTASIA.
Slezak: And Carrie too?
Slezak: My mind if exploding a little bit right now...all this Idol Power!
Slezak: Jordin! Taylor! And KRIS ALLEN!
Slezak: "Together We Are One" is probably not a song that will make its way to my iPod.
Slezak: But I will not lie. it's pretty soul-stirring to see all these Idol grads on one stage.
Slezak: David Cook and J.Hud's absence has been duly noted.
-WHERE IS ADAM LAMBERT? -Daughtry?
-ok we can't have them all! but the alum we had were great!!
Slezak: I thought there was gonna be a Kelly-Tasia duet guess not. they were part of big alum group ensemble performance instd
Slezak: Janet Jackson in a dramatic gown and sexy-short 'do.
-She sounds so much like Michael, it's amazing.
[idolbloglive: This is eerily sounding just like her brother Michael. ]
-is she live?
Slezak: I am beginning to suspect this is not as "live" as I'd like it to be.
Slezak: Take the poll!
-sharona: Maybe Paula will come back out and dance "Nasty Boys" old school style! did she?! (guess not) this is my 7th grade drill team music well not Nasty a Nasty Boy but I think one or two other Janet Jackson songs, same album? ish.
Slezak: SHARONA! That would rule! Get Paula up there!
Slezak: Okay, this is all well and good, but if you're not going to interact with the actual Idols, I'm gonna have to ask you to make way for MamaSox.
Slezak: "With a Little Help from My Friends" by Crystal and Lee
Slezak: "Joe Cocker...living legend!" says MamaSox.
Slezak: OOOH CRYSTAL.
Slezak: She is so elated.
-This is the energy we needed for the past few weeks, Crystal!!
-can joe cocker win american idol this season?
-Crystal and Lee should just screw 19E and form a band together.
-I'm at least glad these two genuinely seem to have become real friends
-My mom is two weeks behind in Japan... I told her Casey won. *evil grin*
10:00 Slezak: Choice of duet partners and overall feel of the night suggests the win is going to Crystal
10:02
-Lee is about to vomit
10:03 Slezak: Wow.
-I wanted him to win in that last second just so he wouldn't vomit.
-very happy for lee, but i reaaaaally wanted crystal to win
-Did Idol just break???
-If this were called "American Nice Guy," this would make sense.
Slezak: Okay, I'm gonna try to be philosophical here. Because #1 and #2 get their record contracts and...
-People knew Crystal would be fine on her own, so they went with Lee..... let's go with that.
-Maybe the Joe Cocker and Alanis Morrissette duets were consolation prizes, like KISS and Queen last year for Adam.
-I don't think Crystal expected to win. Lee's more of a midstream choice. Not surprising
Slezak: Mama-say, mama-sah, ma-MamaSox!
-they're trying to hide crystal with confetti so we don't rememeber who should have won
Wednesday May 26, 2010 10:10 Slezak
Slezak: Well, guys...there were some cool moments. Loved Xtina with the season 9 ladies. Loved the way Bret Michaels shared the stage with Casey. ADORED Crystal and Joe Cocker.
Slezak: And stoked to see all those Idol grads.
Slezak: On one stage together.
Slezak: In a world where people pay to see Britney Spears lipsynch for her life, at the very least, Idols nine seasons give us a legacy of dozens of vocalists who can get the job done liiiive and without a backing track.
Slezak: Thanks for hanging out with me tonight
Wednesday, May 26, 2010
Tuesday, May 25, 2010
- Lost Fi na ly
- 5/23 Lostwatch: All of this matters | rvw of Lost series finale, The End - Tuned In - TIME.com
- One 'Lost' Tuesday: 'All of this matters' | Show Tracker | Los Angeles Times
- 5/24 Watch Tgthr, Judge Alone: What Everyone Else Thought of Lost’s “The End” - Tuned In - TIME.com
- 'Lost' finale recap, part one: And In The End... | Totally 'Lost' Recap | EW.com
- 'Lost' finale recap, part two: Step into the light | Totally 'Lost' Recap | EW.com
- Thurs 5/27 | The LOST Finale and Season 6, Reconsidered - Tuned In - TIME.com
'Lost' post-finale live chat: What YOU said!
SPOILER ALERT! See our reactions -- and YOURS -- after the finale; add more thoughts all night! Read more'Lost' finale: Doc Jensen's quick take
I have a lot to say, and I’m saving all of it for my recap, which is currently under frantic construction. As I stated earlier today, I’m not going to be the guy who assesses the finale by counting the “answers” it provided. But I am the guy who loves to theorize about the questions. A full report, tomorrow. Until then, please: start your deliberations.
Breaking Bad Watch: Buzzkill - James Poniewozik - Tuned In - Time.com | Review of Breaking Bad, The Fly + comments: 5
It is one of those cruel tricks of the calendar that the most unusual & very possibly best what!! are you kidding me!! the very night of the Lost finale! episode of Breaking Bad so far—and this following on a string of possibly-best-episodes—should come on the night of Lost's finale. I'm guessing the audiences overlap a lot, so many of you may not get to it until later in the week yeah sheesh, but for me it's now or never.
So some quick impressions of an episode I urge you to watch as soon as you've slept off Lost, after the jump. posted this at 11:10pm, before posting Lostwatch.
-Rorschach: There aren't a lot of shows that can show two people in a room talking for an entire episode and make it breathtaking.
-yogi: It was one of those classic painfully slow yet totally engrossing episodes of Breaking Bad. Amazing.
-I had to choose between Breaking Bad and Lost last night and Lost won well sure it was the finale Global Event!!, so I just now finished watching Fly and I thought it was brilliant.
It is one of those cruel tricks of the calendar that the most unusual & very possibly best what!! are you kidding me!! the very night of the Lost finale! episode of Breaking Bad so far—and this following on a string of possibly-best-episodes—should come on the night of Lost's finale. I'm guessing the audiences overlap a lot, so many of you may not get to it until later in the week yeah sheesh, but for me it's now or never.
So some quick impressions of an episode I urge you to watch as soon as you've slept off Lost, after the jump. posted this at 11:10pm, before posting Lostwatch.
-Rorschach: There aren't a lot of shows that can show two people in a room talking for an entire episode and make it breathtaking.
-yogi: It was one of those classic painfully slow yet totally engrossing episodes of Breaking Bad. Amazing.
-I had to choose between Breaking Bad and Lost last night and Lost won well sure it was the finale Global Event!!, so I just now finished watching Fly and I thought it was brilliant.
Watch Together, Judge Alone: What Everyone Else Thought of Lost’s “The End” - Tuned In - TIME.com : I'm not going to be good for much today beyond reading other critics' and bloggers' writeups of Lost, so I can at least be of some use to you and refer you to some of the other opinions I've been reading this morning:
Noel Murray, The AV Club: "Lost brought back the thrill of big stories told in tiny pieces. Like I said, it's too soon to say what Lost's legacy will be, but I have a strong feeling that people will still be watching it years from now, and introducing it to newcomers, and starting arguments all over again. And I think the images of Hurley, hatches, Smoke Monsters and Sawyer will be pop-culture touchstones for a long time to come. These are the new myths. Now it's up to us to misinterpret them." nice.
Jace Lacob, The Daily Beast: "While Cuse and Lindelof denied the purgatory aspect of the island years ago, it turned out to be the ultimate solution here, presented in a context that's meant to be universal: we all die."
Jeff Jensen at EW: “'The End' was an emotionally draining epic that had me crying with almost every single “awakening” and has left me mulling the true significance of the Sideways world, which was revealed to be a Purgatory-like realm created by the souls of the dead castaways themselves. (Purgatory! The irony!)"
yay yay yay yay yay yay Doc Jensen. that's it exactly, a parenthetical exclamation: (the irony!)
yay Jeff Jensen looking at EW issue re Lost finale, too, the sxns by DocJ are always better. always not just conventional polished media summarize review magazine article style. always speaks in an own voice. ! and his is a fun one.
Myles McNutt, Cultural Learnings: "Beautiful and heartwrenching, 'The End' captures more than any other series finale I've watched the sum total of the series' experience, awakening in viewers the same power of recall which pulls together half of the series' narrative." hmm? half of the finale's narrtv y mean? the sideways waking up part? or do you see recall of half of the entire Lost narrative?? [Includes some analysis of how the Sideways resolution does and doesn't put earlier season 6 episodes into context. **that's int, read that.]
Ryan McGee at Zap2It: "Looking at the finale from a perspective of mythology isn't the best way to go about it. I started to jot down "So who put the stone in the devil cave in the first place?" before slapping myself silly. Looking at the finale from a perspective of plot probably isn't the best way, either... But looking at it from an emotional perspective, I thought the finale was a masterpiece." word! been pretty impressed w R McGee as saying things I agree with or am int in.
as with Jms P who for that is my fvr tv critic. though for being a voice, wow writing: Jeff Jensen at EW. and Jacob Clifton at TWOP. most int writers on the world wide web to me.
Noel Murray, The AV Club: "Lost brought back the thrill of big stories told in tiny pieces. Like I said, it's too soon to say what Lost's legacy will be, but I have a strong feeling that people will still be watching it years from now, and introducing it to newcomers, and starting arguments all over again. And I think the images of Hurley, hatches, Smoke Monsters and Sawyer will be pop-culture touchstones for a long time to come. These are the new myths. Now it's up to us to misinterpret them." nice.
Jace Lacob, The Daily Beast: "While Cuse and Lindelof denied the purgatory aspect of the island years ago, it turned out to be the ultimate solution here, presented in a context that's meant to be universal: we all die."
Jeff Jensen at EW: “'The End' was an emotionally draining epic that had me crying with almost every single “awakening” and has left me mulling the true significance of the Sideways world, which was revealed to be a Purgatory-like realm created by the souls of the dead castaways themselves. (Purgatory! The irony!)"
yay yay yay yay yay yay Doc Jensen. that's it exactly, a parenthetical exclamation: (the irony!)
yay Jeff Jensen looking at EW issue re Lost finale, too, the sxns by DocJ are always better. always not just conventional polished media summarize review magazine article style. always speaks in an own voice. ! and his is a fun one.
Myles McNutt, Cultural Learnings: "Beautiful and heartwrenching, 'The End' captures more than any other series finale I've watched the sum total of the series' experience, awakening in viewers the same power of recall which pulls together half of the series' narrative." hmm? half of the finale's narrtv y mean? the sideways waking up part? or do you see recall of half of the entire Lost narrative?? [Includes some analysis of how the Sideways resolution does and doesn't put earlier season 6 episodes into context. **that's int, read that.]
Ryan McGee at Zap2It: "Looking at the finale from a perspective of mythology isn't the best way to go about it. I started to jot down "So who put the stone in the devil cave in the first place?" before slapping myself silly. Looking at the finale from a perspective of plot probably isn't the best way, either... But looking at it from an emotional perspective, I thought the finale was a masterpiece." word! been pretty impressed w R McGee as saying things I agree with or am int in.
as with Jms P who for that is my fvr tv critic. though for being a voice, wow writing: Jeff Jensen at EW. and Jacob Clifton at TWOP. most int writers on the world wide web to me.
Lostwatch: All of This Matters - by James Poniewozik - Tuned In - TIME.com | re Lost series finale, The End - - [ Comments - 160+ -- p1 2 3 4 ]
The puzzle of the last season of Lost has been: how can both the flash-sideways universe and the Island universe mean anything? If Sideways is the universe in which Oceanic 815 never crashed, who cares what happens on the Island? If the Island is where the characters' fates are sealed, how can there be any meaning to what happens in the Sideways? The moving, soulful finale that Damon Lindelof and Carleton Cuse gave us met that challenge. The Island world, we learned, absolutely mattered to the physical fate of the survivors. (And sci-fi purists ticked over the spiritual ending should at least give it up for this: what happened, did, indeed happen.) And the Sideways world mattered because it was the culmination of the spiritual, moral, human lives--the souls--of the characters.
You could argue that the Flash Sideways was entirely unnecessary. You know what? You would be right. On a plot level, you did not need it at all. It had no direct bearing on what happened on the Island. It turned out that, unlike what some of us thought (including maybe Island Desmond), Sideways Desmond's efforts to "awaken" his friends had no bearing on saving the Island or defeating Locke. You could have simply picked up season six in 2007, had everyone realize that Juliet's smacking the bomb did not undo the Oceanic crash, and ended the series with Jack dying and a few of his friends escaping. right. good. that's the ending "minus"the purgatory-sideways-afterlife. (as per rg: what's the latest that happened minus the purgatory :)
You could, but you would have given up an emotionally powerful ending.
The spirituality of wh bothered this secular agnostic not one bit. To me, the closing of Lost was not telling me that I do or do not have an immortal soul; it was telling me what these characters lives meant. And that meaning, like all our lives' meaning, derived from the interactions they had with, and the memories they shared with, other people. You could take that literally, as in: this is a picture of what happens when you die. Or you could take it metaphorically, as in: this is a story using spiritual imagery to depict the lasting legacy of human contact.
-I adored it. Phenomenal.
-Epic finale. Beautifully, beautifully done.
-I thought it was fantastic.
-It seemed that they borrowed the endings from "Sixth Sense" and "Titanic." yes! Sixth Sense. you (& the viewers) have to realize you have died. (Titanic I don't know wh bcs never saw it but maybe the penul epsd Jin & Sun dying. or was there an afterlife in that movie too?)
-Who created the alternate world?
--It's up to you really. You can believe Hurley is responsible based on his convo with Ben or you can also believe this is how things naturally work. ohhh. I only tht re how things naturally work. did not think of possible relevance of what Hurley & Ben said, re allowing people to leave the island. whoa. that actually *is* suggestive of the whole thing as an afterlife, isn't it?
-Ben said to Hugo he could run things differently than Jacob. Earlier in the season, Michael said he could never leave the Island because of the things he had done. I think that comment was not meant to be taken lightly (do you find it interesting that Ben couldn't leave either?). I think Hugo changed things, created the sideways world so that those from the flight *could* in fact leave purgatory and go on together.I'm going to believe that Hugo made it so that they could go on together, because as Ben said he did what he does best: care about people. y aw remember how he bought up the seats on the Ajira flight to prevent more people from ending up on the island or dead in the crash. Certainly, he (with Desmond) was calling the shots in Purgatory world. huh!
What a great ending.
---I also thought that Hurley was the one who created it - the whole thing about him "doing things differently" and "taking care of people" all made me believe that Hurley created a safe place for all the Losties to go and work things out and find happiness with each other, so then they could all Live Together after they Die Alone. wow. okay cool. and maybe does not have to suggest that the island was already afterlife ~ well so let's say the island is totally real, in this life; but it is a source or contact point w life/death ~ or sth ~ such that Hurley can affect what happens to the souls of his friends in the afterlife. well I don't know. will want to listen to that Hurley & Ben 'convo': apropos of what did Ben say that Hurley could do things differently & ~let ppl leave? (what exactly was said there ~ does it sound like talking wrt souls?) I think I took it as meaning he could make the island easier to get off of. for the living people who end up there.
ok see: Todd Van Der Werff, LA Times' Showtracker: Interesting theory--"This flash-sideways universe is one final gift from the last protector of the Island that we see--Hurley--to everyone he ever knew or loved. It is a chance for him to do what he does best, as Ben says. He is taking care of people, giving them both what they wanted and what they needed." ToddVdW shld have an eloquent read of this.
-des1989: I'm still not sure what purpose the Man in Black served. How would things have turned out differently if he left the island? What, exactly, were the stakes? y that's a qstn
and back up in JmsP's post:
I have questions: first, if in fact the Sideways does not exist in the mortal world, then what did it mean when Juliet said the H-bomb detonation "worked"? All it evidently did was kicked the Losties from 1977 to 2007. right. exactly: that's all that evidently was caused there (whether by the h-bomb or if the bomb did not even actually detonate then just 'the incident' ie drilling into electromagnetic pocket > white flash) With the Island safe and no Man in Black, why, how, did Hurley ever die? Why exactly did Locke become mortal?
*Locke on Jacob's choice of Jack: "I expected to be more surprised. You're kind of the obvious choice, don't you think?"..And it made perfect sense that Jack, who was meant to die at the end of the original version of the Lost pilot, instead die at the end of the series.
-thalasseri: Lost may have borrowed a lot of ideas (from Stephen King and others) over the years, but the alternate-world, as a congregation point for connected souls to sync up before moving on together (rather than as a purgatory entered and left as individuals) seems quite original and a wonderful extension of the live together, die alone motif that was the driving force of this whole story. yes.
Desmond's role is puzzling - he essentially "traveled" back from the afterworld into real-Island time - and things didn't work out as he thought they would, when he uncorked the light-stopper. Lots of angles to explore there, such as how this action made Smoke mortal again.
-antilles13: Absolutely loved it.
-Dave: At this point, looking back at it, one of the top lines for me was awakened Kate looking Jack in the eye and saying, so sincerely, "I've missed you so much!"
--Which is a completely sensible thing for someone who hasn't seen Jack in a very long time to say. She lived for a while after Jack died.
--I agree. They were definitely two of my least favorite characters, but this line spoke so well to what the flash-sideways world was. yes. Kate went on and likely lived a full life. This line was one of the few comments about this time. She didn't give us anything concrete, but we know she missed Jack. It was touching. y. she did look him in the eye and say it so sincerely.
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The puzzle of the last season of Lost has been: how can both the flash-sideways universe and the Island universe mean anything? If Sideways is the universe in which Oceanic 815 never crashed, who cares what happens on the Island? If the Island is where the characters' fates are sealed, how can there be any meaning to what happens in the Sideways? The moving, soulful finale that Damon Lindelof and Carleton Cuse gave us met that challenge. The Island world, we learned, absolutely mattered to the physical fate of the survivors. (And sci-fi purists ticked over the spiritual ending should at least give it up for this: what happened, did, indeed happen.) And the Sideways world mattered because it was the culmination of the spiritual, moral, human lives--the souls--of the characters.
You could argue that the Flash Sideways was entirely unnecessary. You know what? You would be right. On a plot level, you did not need it at all. It had no direct bearing on what happened on the Island. It turned out that, unlike what some of us thought (including maybe Island Desmond), Sideways Desmond's efforts to "awaken" his friends had no bearing on saving the Island or defeating Locke. You could have simply picked up season six in 2007, had everyone realize that Juliet's smacking the bomb did not undo the Oceanic crash, and ended the series with Jack dying and a few of his friends escaping. right. good. that's the ending "minus"the purgatory-sideways-afterlife. (as per rg: what's the latest that happened minus the purgatory :)
You could, but you would have given up an emotionally powerful ending.
The spirituality of wh bothered this secular agnostic not one bit. To me, the closing of Lost was not telling me that I do or do not have an immortal soul; it was telling me what these characters lives meant. And that meaning, like all our lives' meaning, derived from the interactions they had with, and the memories they shared with, other people. You could take that literally, as in: this is a picture of what happens when you die. Or you could take it metaphorically, as in: this is a story using spiritual imagery to depict the lasting legacy of human contact.
-I adored it. Phenomenal.
-Epic finale. Beautifully, beautifully done.
-I thought it was fantastic.
-It seemed that they borrowed the endings from "Sixth Sense" and "Titanic." yes! Sixth Sense. you (& the viewers) have to realize you have died. (Titanic I don't know wh bcs never saw it but maybe the penul epsd Jin & Sun dying. or was there an afterlife in that movie too?)
-Who created the alternate world?
--It's up to you really. You can believe Hurley is responsible based on his convo with Ben or you can also believe this is how things naturally work. ohhh. I only tht re how things naturally work. did not think of possible relevance of what Hurley & Ben said, re allowing people to leave the island. whoa. that actually *is* suggestive of the whole thing as an afterlife, isn't it?
-Ben said to Hugo he could run things differently than Jacob. Earlier in the season, Michael said he could never leave the Island because of the things he had done. I think that comment was not meant to be taken lightly (do you find it interesting that Ben couldn't leave either?). I think Hugo changed things, created the sideways world so that those from the flight *could* in fact leave purgatory and go on together.I'm going to believe that Hugo made it so that they could go on together, because as Ben said he did what he does best: care about people. y aw remember how he bought up the seats on the Ajira flight to prevent more people from ending up on the island or dead in the crash. Certainly, he (with Desmond) was calling the shots in Purgatory world. huh!
What a great ending.
---I also thought that Hurley was the one who created it - the whole thing about him "doing things differently" and "taking care of people" all made me believe that Hurley created a safe place for all the Losties to go and work things out and find happiness with each other, so then they could all Live Together after they Die Alone. wow. okay cool. and maybe does not have to suggest that the island was already afterlife ~ well so let's say the island is totally real, in this life; but it is a source or contact point w life/death ~ or sth ~ such that Hurley can affect what happens to the souls of his friends in the afterlife. well I don't know. will want to listen to that Hurley & Ben 'convo': apropos of what did Ben say that Hurley could do things differently & ~let ppl leave? (what exactly was said there ~ does it sound like talking wrt souls?) I think I took it as meaning he could make the island easier to get off of. for the living people who end up there.
ok see: Todd Van Der Werff, LA Times' Showtracker: Interesting theory--"This flash-sideways universe is one final gift from the last protector of the Island that we see--Hurley--to everyone he ever knew or loved. It is a chance for him to do what he does best, as Ben says. He is taking care of people, giving them both what they wanted and what they needed." ToddVdW shld have an eloquent read of this.
-des1989: I'm still not sure what purpose the Man in Black served. How would things have turned out differently if he left the island? What, exactly, were the stakes? y that's a qstn
and back up in JmsP's post:
I have questions: first, if in fact the Sideways does not exist in the mortal world, then what did it mean when Juliet said the H-bomb detonation "worked"? All it evidently did was kicked the Losties from 1977 to 2007. right. exactly: that's all that evidently was caused there (whether by the h-bomb or if the bomb did not even actually detonate then just 'the incident' ie drilling into electromagnetic pocket > white flash) With the Island safe and no Man in Black, why, how, did Hurley ever die? Why exactly did Locke become mortal?
*Locke on Jacob's choice of Jack: "I expected to be more surprised. You're kind of the obvious choice, don't you think?"..And it made perfect sense that Jack, who was meant to die at the end of the original version of the Lost pilot, instead die at the end of the series.
-thalasseri: Lost may have borrowed a lot of ideas (from Stephen King and others) over the years, but the alternate-world, as a congregation point for connected souls to sync up before moving on together (rather than as a purgatory entered and left as individuals) seems quite original and a wonderful extension of the live together, die alone motif that was the driving force of this whole story. yes.
Desmond's role is puzzling - he essentially "traveled" back from the afterworld into real-Island time - and things didn't work out as he thought they would, when he uncorked the light-stopper. Lots of angles to explore there, such as how this action made Smoke mortal again.
-antilles13: Absolutely loved it.
-Dave: At this point, looking back at it, one of the top lines for me was awakened Kate looking Jack in the eye and saying, so sincerely, "I've missed you so much!"
--Which is a completely sensible thing for someone who hasn't seen Jack in a very long time to say. She lived for a while after Jack died.
--I agree. They were definitely two of my least favorite characters, but this line spoke so well to what the flash-sideways world was. yes. Kate went on and likely lived a full life. This line was one of the few comments about this time. She didn't give us anything concrete, but we know she missed Jack. It was touching. y. she did look him in the eye and say it so sincerely.
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Monday, May 24, 2010
Lost TV Show - The End - recap by Cindy McLennan | TWoP
"The End" was perfectly, wonderfully, unapologetically sentimental, and character-driven in every way I'd ever hoped. There were elements that didn't make sense -- or at least don't make sense while the show's wake is still the motion in my ocean. and yet? I wouldn't have missed this for the world, and not just because Richard, Frank and Miles lived to see another day.
Islandways
..The island starts falling apart. Now mortal, Faucke books it for his sailboat. He and Jack fight up on the cliffs above Jacob's cave. Finally, Jack prevails, with Kate's help. Faucke dies -- but the island continues to fall to pieces. Sawyer & Kate head for the plane, while Jack, Hurley, & Ben make their way back to the glowhole. Jack descends, recorks the devil thing, sends Desmond back up on the rope meant to save him (Jack) and as he (Jack, again, did you not watch?) slowly dies, the glowly light is restored.
..Down by the waterfall and swimming hole, a near-dead Jack comes to and drags himself toward the bamboo grove where this all began.
Sideways
It's the big Faraday/Drive Shaft/David Shephard concert. Claire goes into labor at the gig. Kate takes her backstage and has an epiphany while assisting in the delivery. Once Claire holds Aaron in her arms for the first time, she becomes integrated as well. epiphany. becomes integrated. wakes up. rg & I re they 'cross over', like, completely. after the epiphany, the person fully believes they have this other history (of their island self) and have disowned the reality they were up until this moment seemingly living in. I mean, it's weird, from the point of view within the 'sideways' - very weird. Then it's Charlie's turn. Meanwhile, at the hospital, Jin and Sun have gone through the same thing, as Juliet showed them the ultrasound. Locke has his surgery and he's fully actualized. actualized. Everyone is -- everyone except Jack. He has a disturbing convo with Locke, who tells him David doesn't exist. "You don't have a son, Jack." This sends Jack flying to the concert, which is well and truly over--and it also sends him flying into Kate's arms. Jack flashes to the Islandways when she kisses him, but he's not ready to let go.
..
Islandways: Bloodied and broken, Jack Shephard makes his way to the bamboo grove. We hear a bark. When dear old Vincent appears, Jack smiles. Vincent approaches Jack, licks his hand, lies down beside him. He will not die alone.
Sideways, church: Jack smiles until he and all our beloved are obscured from our view by the light of world.
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"The End" was perfectly, wonderfully, unapologetically sentimental, and character-driven in every way I'd ever hoped. There were elements that didn't make sense -- or at least don't make sense while the show's wake is still the motion in my ocean. and yet? I wouldn't have missed this for the world, and not just because Richard, Frank and Miles lived to see another day.
Islandways
..The island starts falling apart. Now mortal, Faucke books it for his sailboat. He and Jack fight up on the cliffs above Jacob's cave. Finally, Jack prevails, with Kate's help. Faucke dies -- but the island continues to fall to pieces. Sawyer & Kate head for the plane, while Jack, Hurley, & Ben make their way back to the glowhole. Jack descends, recorks the devil thing, sends Desmond back up on the rope meant to save him (Jack) and as he (Jack, again, did you not watch?) slowly dies, the glowly light is restored.
..Down by the waterfall and swimming hole, a near-dead Jack comes to and drags himself toward the bamboo grove where this all began.
Sideways
It's the big Faraday/Drive Shaft/David Shephard concert. Claire goes into labor at the gig. Kate takes her backstage and has an epiphany while assisting in the delivery. Once Claire holds Aaron in her arms for the first time, she becomes integrated as well. epiphany. becomes integrated. wakes up. rg & I re they 'cross over', like, completely. after the epiphany, the person fully believes they have this other history (of their island self) and have disowned the reality they were up until this moment seemingly living in. I mean, it's weird, from the point of view within the 'sideways' - very weird. Then it's Charlie's turn. Meanwhile, at the hospital, Jin and Sun have gone through the same thing, as Juliet showed them the ultrasound. Locke has his surgery and he's fully actualized. actualized. Everyone is -- everyone except Jack. He has a disturbing convo with Locke, who tells him David doesn't exist. "You don't have a son, Jack." This sends Jack flying to the concert, which is well and truly over--and it also sends him flying into Kate's arms. Jack flashes to the Islandways when she kisses him, but he's not ready to let go.
..
Islandways: Bloodied and broken, Jack Shephard makes his way to the bamboo grove. We hear a bark. When dear old Vincent appears, Jack smiles. Vincent approaches Jack, licks his hand, lies down beside him. He will not die alone.
Sideways, church: Jack smiles until he and all our beloved are obscured from our view by the light of world.
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Long Live Locke.: It's the End of the World As We Know It
"Whatever happened, happened" turned out to be true.
The crash happened, the Oceanic 6 left, they came back, the time-travelers jumped around through time, they attempted to detonate Jughead...but that did NOT work.
The Island timeline was the only one that was ever "real."
So Sayid died, Sun & Jin died, the MIB took Locke's body, Jack became the next Jacob, then Hurley took over, with Ben staying to help. When Jack finally died after restoring the Island to its proper state with the glowing light, he saw the Ajira plane containing Lapidus, Richard, Miles, Sawyer, & Kate & Claire! taking off above him. And Vincent kept him company in his last breaths.
The "sideways" timeline was the afterlife for all of the main characters. It was not any sort of alternate timeline that occurred because of the Jughead detonation. It was each character's version of the "in-between"; Jack was the last one to realize he was dead, and when he did, all of the Island ppl who had grown to be friends met together in the church to move on to the next phase.
THE ISLAND EVENTS DID HAPPEN. That is why Hurley said to Ben that he "made a good number 2." They both lived out their reign as Island Protectors and eventually died at some point long after Jack. It's just that in the afterlife, once again, there's no strict sense of time.
So that's how I interpreted everything, and that's why I loved it. I certainly hope Heaven is where you're back together with everyone you love.
As I mentioned last week, I'll be back with my full -- and I do mean full -- analysis before the end of June (at the very latest), but until then I'll just say that I am extremely happy with how everything wrapped up.
And you can of course feel free to write whatever you'd like in the comments. .. -e
the contrary view:
-Normal life ended when Oceanic 815 crashed. We know that because of the empty crash scene when the credits roll. The crash scene had long since been disassembled on the island, this can only be shortly after the crash. The island was purgatory, which Jacob brought people to when they needed more time to prepare for heaven or hell. No. pretty sure not. but ok, what was going on with the empty crash scene?
-adamnorten: My big question is this. The only argument that I have to the ones who are saying that the events on the island really happened is that in the final scene of the finale with the credits rolling we see the wreckage of the plane (Flight 815) from the first episode and there are no survivors. yeah what was up with that credits shot? wreckage on the beach. In the series the wreckage gets dismantled then burned. right. So since the wreckage is still lying on the beach & nothing has happened to it this entire time maybe they were all dead through out the entire series and their souls were struggling with moving on to the light. I so not want this to be true. aw. Someone please tell me what is wrong with this theory. I so want the island reality to be true.
oh good! a confident answer fr e:
-Those crash scenes were shown AFTER the final LOST credit. They were just a shout-out to Oahu from the producers: still shots taken from the filming of the pilot. Matthew Fox has always known was *the last scene* was going to be, and he confirmed on the Jimmy Kimmel show that it was Jack's eye closing (and Jack dying).
-I thought it was a genius ending. me too! I'm really too emotional to say anything else.
-I love your summary. In my opinion though, they did create the alternate world. It was their own personal purgatory. Juliet's thoughts after Jughead - "It worked." Christian said something to the effect of you created it. The in-between for the Losties was that much more special because they created it. hmmm. y this is a qstn, do we think of this 'sideways' dreamworld experience as an effect of their island experience? or (in the world of the show) does something of the sort happen to souls generally, after death? I mean: are they special!? Such an emotionally satisfying finale.
oh hey so where was Desmond when Jack died? Jack had sent Des up on his (Jack's) own rope, so now Des is unconscious w Hurley & Ben .. still on the island then. y I guess so:
-Jack's sacrifice at the end enabled Frank,Miles,Richard, Sawyer,Kate & Claire to get off the island. Hurley became the protector with Ben as his advisor so Hurley could make up his own Rules about the island & probably would find a way for Desmond to get home. ok.
"Whatever happened, happened" turned out to be true.
The crash happened, the Oceanic 6 left, they came back, the time-travelers jumped around through time, they attempted to detonate Jughead...but that did NOT work.
The Island timeline was the only one that was ever "real."
So Sayid died, Sun & Jin died, the MIB took Locke's body, Jack became the next Jacob, then Hurley took over, with Ben staying to help. When Jack finally died after restoring the Island to its proper state with the glowing light, he saw the Ajira plane containing Lapidus, Richard, Miles, Sawyer, & Kate & Claire! taking off above him. And Vincent kept him company in his last breaths.
The "sideways" timeline was the afterlife for all of the main characters. It was not any sort of alternate timeline that occurred because of the Jughead detonation. It was each character's version of the "in-between"; Jack was the last one to realize he was dead, and when he did, all of the Island ppl who had grown to be friends met together in the church to move on to the next phase.
THE ISLAND EVENTS DID HAPPEN. That is why Hurley said to Ben that he "made a good number 2." They both lived out their reign as Island Protectors and eventually died at some point long after Jack. It's just that in the afterlife, once again, there's no strict sense of time.
So that's how I interpreted everything, and that's why I loved it. I certainly hope Heaven is where you're back together with everyone you love.
As I mentioned last week, I'll be back with my full -- and I do mean full -- analysis before the end of June (at the very latest), but until then I'll just say that I am extremely happy with how everything wrapped up.
And you can of course feel free to write whatever you'd like in the comments. .. -e
the contrary view:
-Normal life ended when Oceanic 815 crashed. We know that because of the empty crash scene when the credits roll. The crash scene had long since been disassembled on the island, this can only be shortly after the crash. The island was purgatory, which Jacob brought people to when they needed more time to prepare for heaven or hell. No. pretty sure not. but ok, what was going on with the empty crash scene?
-adamnorten: My big question is this. The only argument that I have to the ones who are saying that the events on the island really happened is that in the final scene of the finale with the credits rolling we see the wreckage of the plane (Flight 815) from the first episode and there are no survivors. yeah what was up with that credits shot? wreckage on the beach. In the series the wreckage gets dismantled then burned. right. So since the wreckage is still lying on the beach & nothing has happened to it this entire time maybe they were all dead through out the entire series and their souls were struggling with moving on to the light. I so not want this to be true. aw. Someone please tell me what is wrong with this theory. I so want the island reality to be true.
oh good! a confident answer fr e:
-Those crash scenes were shown AFTER the final LOST credit. They were just a shout-out to Oahu from the producers: still shots taken from the filming of the pilot. Matthew Fox has always known was *the last scene* was going to be, and he confirmed on the Jimmy Kimmel show that it was Jack's eye closing (and Jack dying).
-I thought it was a genius ending. me too! I'm really too emotional to say anything else.
-I love your summary. In my opinion though, they did create the alternate world. It was their own personal purgatory. Juliet's thoughts after Jughead - "It worked." Christian said something to the effect of you created it. The in-between for the Losties was that much more special because they created it. hmmm. y this is a qstn, do we think of this 'sideways' dreamworld experience as an effect of their island experience? or (in the world of the show) does something of the sort happen to souls generally, after death? I mean: are they special!? Such an emotionally satisfying finale.
oh hey so where was Desmond when Jack died? Jack had sent Des up on his (Jack's) own rope, so now Des is unconscious w Hurley & Ben .. still on the island then. y I guess so:
-Jack's sacrifice at the end enabled Frank,Miles,Richard, Sawyer,Kate & Claire to get off the island. Hurley became the protector with Ben as his advisor so Hurley could make up his own Rules about the island & probably would find a way for Desmond to get home. ok.
"THE SIDEWAYS WORLD WAS - Google Search
Lost Series Finale.. so the island was purgatory? - Yahoo!
-definitely not. the flash-sideways is purgatory, but everything else is real life.
-Now you had to listen very carefully at Jack's father's words in the finale. The flash "sideways" was the purgatory. Christian told Jack that the flash sideways was created by all of the survivors so that they may find one another and leave or "move on." Christian said that these people either died before Jack or LONG after, that's why they were in the flash sideways. They needed to see each other and move on to the other life with each other.
Sources: I listened very carefully and have mad respect for the creators.
Lost Ending? Anyone care to explain? - 5 posts - May 24, 2010
LOST Series Finale Question...*SPOILER*? - 25 posts - May 23, 2010
What did the LOST season 6 finale mean ?!?!? - 10 posts - May 23, 2010
Lost: a few questions...? - 3 posts - May 23, 2010
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The End Of 'Lost': The Ambitious Drama Comes To A Close After Six ...
May 23, 2010 ... Trying to parse the literal specifics of what the sideways world was is never going to be entirely satisfying, but the final scene, ...
www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/05/.../the-end-of-lost -
Lost Series Finale.. so the island was purgatory? - Yahoo!
-definitely not. the flash-sideways is purgatory, but everything else is real life.
-Now you had to listen very carefully at Jack's father's words in the finale. The flash "sideways" was the purgatory. Christian told Jack that the flash sideways was created by all of the survivors so that they may find one another and leave or "move on." Christian said that these people either died before Jack or LONG after, that's why they were in the flash sideways. They needed to see each other and move on to the other life with each other.
Sources: I listened very carefully and have mad respect for the creators.
Lost Ending? Anyone care to explain? - 5 posts - May 24, 2010
LOST Series Finale Question...*SPOILER*? - 25 posts - May 23, 2010
What did the LOST season 6 finale mean ?!?!? - 10 posts - May 23, 2010
Lost: a few questions...? - 3 posts - May 23, 2010
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The End Of 'Lost': The Ambitious Drama Comes To A Close After Six ...
May 23, 2010 ... Trying to parse the literal specifics of what the sideways world was is never going to be entirely satisfying, but the final scene, ...
www.npr.org/blogs/monkeysee/2010/05/.../the-end-of-lost -
ok dipping into rxns: twitter search 'lost' ~ have not yet read any rxns. watched innocently.
Anadart: Lost was the ultimate long con io9.com/lost-was-the-ultimate-long-con
-io9.com/lost-was-the-ultimate-long-con nah d n agree w this view
I had been aware that some last-minute spoilers about the finale were coming out over the weekend, but I hadn't looked at them because of that desire to keep an open mind. what were the spoilers th came out? did say wh sideways was? had anyone correctly guessed what the sideways world was? (read matthew fox, I think, saying that he didn't think anyone had guessed the end)
which was, that the sideways stories of this final season were NOT an alternate life, NOT a result of any h-bomb detonation, but where all the characters found themselves after their death, whenever that was, so that they could gather and realize together that they had died and together let go of life and go into death, the life.
the sideways world = an unwordly afterlife "no now here" (as christian shepherd tells jack) ~ purgatory ~ collective unconscious ~ "a place you made to find each other" (christian's answer to jack asking where they are) ~ where you realize that you died and then together you leave, you are together to go into ~death, the light
& we watched their lives up until Jack's death. at which time, Hurley & Ben are staying on to protect the island; and the people on the Ajira plane are headed away from the island back to the mainland: Lapidus, Richard (!), Miles; Sawyer, Kate, & Claire. Those six people will continue their lives, and only after their eventual deaths, whenever they die, find themselves in the 'sideways' where they will gather at the church.
well I think I loved it. totally unexpected. recentering: the island was *totally* real life. it was this season's non-island non-crash timeline that was an afterlife, a dream, a psychological experience... and that followed on their deaths, whenever each of them died, in past seasons, in the finale, or in the future, after the moment Jack dies and the Ajira 6 are in the air, beyond which moment we did not see.
the island time was a part of their actual lives. and Christian tells Jack that they are all (including Jack, but *not* Christian, right? who never actually lived on or had anything to do with the island, actually) coming together in the afterlife with these people because this was such an important time in their life (or sth like th?) ~ wh is weird, like what about everything else that the Ajira Six may have gone on to do? like doug says he tweeted that Miles could have been the first Asian-Amer president. and then he dies and it's all about the island? but that's fine, ok, rg says it's like throwing loosely ~ where Mad Men or Breaking Bad is tight (pottery metaphor, making a clay pot). and what Lost did so well was go out in multiple directions, twigs off twigs on branches. all those details, incidents out there, some take on signif, some coincide. loose, multidirectional.
the end was moving. 'the end.'
like twop mgiant recapping Six Feet Under finale When this show says the end, not kidding. could call epsd 'Everyone Dies.'
Twop: show overview: Six Feet Under - 5.12 Everyone's Waiting - The final episode wraps everything up neater than Nate's shroud. David faces his fears, and ends up co-owner and resident of the funeral home with Keith .. Claire heads east. And then they all die. Seriously.
Lost now like Six Feet Under ends with everyone *ev*er*y one dead. sooner or later, everyone dies. popular tv shows ending with death. confronting the viewer with mortality. I mean, it really does. what the island was or wasn't, everyone dies. the end.
I flittingly feel so sad for jack. sad to realize he died. he doesn't want to let go.
he crashed, was on a weird island for a few months, got off the island with the Oceanic6, became depressed & pill-addicted & convinced he had to go back, went back, was briefly in the 70s, then back to his proper time where the black smoke had taken form as Locke, then he drank what Jacob gave him & he had to protect the island by killing Locke & then going down into the lightcave to put a stone back in a hole, and then he died.
that's it. life over. sad.
(he died of stab wound fr when fighting with Locke? who was then shot by Kate and then Jack kicked him off the cliff? all of wh was after Desmond went down into the cave light & before Jack went down into the cave, which then threw him out & up. and then he died of his injuries? sad.
was there a reason that black smoke locke found himself vulnerable? he was suprised, right? that he was bleeding? after jack punching him. and maybe also remarkable that jack could be hurt, since jack was now like jacob ~ so they should not have been able to harm each other? but they could.) may have missed happenings in there.
Oh, and when Jack goes flying through the air to kick Flocke in the face, it was a nicely composed shot and a decent air-punching moment. crazy over the top, wasn't it?! I mean, delightfully. like a video game freeze frame.
-strideo: The thing that sucked was that when we finally have Jack confront the sad day monster this caught my eye bcs that's the name given to black smoke by NeverSeenLost guy right? so strideo (who clearly has seen Lost, as he talks about other seasons, below, & thus is not the NeverSeenLost guy) must have read gotten the name fr that blog right? and he confidently declares that bringing Desmond to the heart of the island will not destroy the island and he will kill Mr. cloud monster man. (Locke: And how are you going to do that? Jack: That'sa surprise. *badass*) Aaaaand while Jack was technically correct, he did kill sad day monster (with Kate's help) and the island did not perish it's pretty obvious that none of this happened according to any plan and Jack had no idea what he was doing aw is that right? so why did he say that & go along w lowering Desmond into the cavelight? what did Jack think was going to happen? and he was pretty much like "Oh shit!" the moment the light went out and all hell broke lose. The only reason why it works in the end is because Jack plugs the hole in the heart of the island and fixes things. So once again just when Jack thinks he's got it figured out things just blow up in his face. :P shucks is that right? (but we just don't know what he thought he had figured out?)
I think the show really hit its stride in season two and it never really achieved the same level afterwords. For all the waiting they made you go through in season one to see what was in that hatch I thought that surely all the anticipation would only lead to disappointment but I have to admit I actually found the Swan station to be as intriguing as anything I could have imagined. I loved the sort of decaying 1970's vibe of the Swan and the idea that this poor guy was stuck down there with this dated record collection and exercise bicycle and stuff repeatedly performing a task that he didn't really understand. yeah that was very cool. The whole thing with the introductory film strip hosted by "Marvin Candle" was absolutely brilliant. The whole idea left me extremely curious about the other Dharma facilities when it was revealed that there were more of them. Unfortunately none of the other stations were as satisfying as the Swan; none of them were as detailed or mysterious or as well conceived.
My favorite and most emotional moment of the final episode was when Jack was making his way back to the bamboo grove to die. When he laid on the ground I was thinking that it was sad that he was going to die all alone and then almost as if on cue Vincent (the dog) comes bounding out of the forest and lays down with Jack bringing him comfort and then he looks up and sees the plane with his friends in flight and he seems satisfied. I know it's pretty simple but I liked it more than many of the heartfelt reunions and resolutions of complex emotional issues that we were presented with. Some may say that the emotional impact is lessened by the fact that we already know Jack's character lives on in the afterlife but from a character empathy standpoint we should understand that he doesn't know what will happen to him when he dies.
-I just hope that when I die a faithful dog will come and lay down next to me.
[strideo promoted this comment]
-For me, I loved it. I'm not entirely happy with the purgatory-verse route they took, but so be it. More than enough questions where answered in this final season to make me happy without ruining the magic of the show.
-Also, so wait, I want to go back to this parallel-timeline thing. We were given to understand initially that the parallel timeline was the consequence of detonating a hydrogen bomb on top of some electromagnetism which okay, so, fine, that's how parallel timelines are created. :) But it turns out that's not true, right? Right. No parallel timeline. No connection between the so-called 'sideways world' & the bomb going off or not going off when the white light flashed and the Losties went back to their proper 2008ish time. So, when the castaways went back in time & blew up the electromagnetism before they built the hatch on it (and evacuated the Island and everything), what was the consequence of that? Are we meant to understand that Juliet blowing up the pocket of electromagnetism had always happened in this timeline? ALSO! Are we also meant to understand that when Desmond gets bombarded by electromagnetism, he has a vision of purgatory?
--Yes. As for you talking about Desmond seeing purgatory, the label of purgatory is not really appropriate, as there is no way of really defining where they are. You may have noticed that in the church on the stained glass that many religions were recognized. Lost does not simply confine itself to the Christian concept of purgatory; rather, the characters had to join together in this one place before they could pass on to what is next, which is entirely open, like many things on Lost, to the viewer's own beliefs and interpretations. If the viewer believes in Heaven, then they go there. Or they are reincarnated, if the viewer believes in that. But I think to simply call the place of their passing on "purgatory" is not fair. It seemed to be the final test that they had to face. Each of them had to remember that they died, and that all of them together did something important. so it is also about having done something important? saving the world? The island was the single most important experience in these people's lives, and while it was at many times tragic, it shaped them and made them better people. so from within the perspective of the show's universe, do other people experience collective dream psychic purgatory ish with people from the most important experience in *their* lives (whatever it was for them)? I suppose so. I mean, are the Losties unique~special wrt this afterlife experience? They needed the island to become the best of themselves. Not everyone did, obviously. Not everyone made it to the church, not everyone was allowed to see the whole picture. hmm.
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Anadart: Lost was the ultimate long con io9.com/lost-was-the-ultimate-long-con
-io9.com/lost-was-the-ultimate-long-con nah d n agree w this view
I had been aware that some last-minute spoilers about the finale were coming out over the weekend, but I hadn't looked at them because of that desire to keep an open mind. what were the spoilers th came out? did say wh sideways was? had anyone correctly guessed what the sideways world was? (read matthew fox, I think, saying that he didn't think anyone had guessed the end)
which was, that the sideways stories of this final season were NOT an alternate life, NOT a result of any h-bomb detonation, but where all the characters found themselves after their death, whenever that was, so that they could gather and realize together that they had died and together let go of life and go into death, the life.
the sideways world = an unwordly afterlife "no now here" (as christian shepherd tells jack) ~ purgatory ~ collective unconscious ~ "a place you made to find each other" (christian's answer to jack asking where they are) ~ where you realize that you died and then together you leave, you are together to go into ~death, the light
& we watched their lives up until Jack's death. at which time, Hurley & Ben are staying on to protect the island; and the people on the Ajira plane are headed away from the island back to the mainland: Lapidus, Richard (!), Miles; Sawyer, Kate, & Claire. Those six people will continue their lives, and only after their eventual deaths, whenever they die, find themselves in the 'sideways' where they will gather at the church.
well I think I loved it. totally unexpected. recentering: the island was *totally* real life. it was this season's non-island non-crash timeline that was an afterlife, a dream, a psychological experience... and that followed on their deaths, whenever each of them died, in past seasons, in the finale, or in the future, after the moment Jack dies and the Ajira 6 are in the air, beyond which moment we did not see.
the island time was a part of their actual lives. and Christian tells Jack that they are all (including Jack, but *not* Christian, right? who never actually lived on or had anything to do with the island, actually) coming together in the afterlife with these people because this was such an important time in their life (or sth like th?) ~ wh is weird, like what about everything else that the Ajira Six may have gone on to do? like doug says he tweeted that Miles could have been the first Asian-Amer president. and then he dies and it's all about the island? but that's fine, ok, rg says it's like throwing loosely ~ where Mad Men or Breaking Bad is tight (pottery metaphor, making a clay pot). and what Lost did so well was go out in multiple directions, twigs off twigs on branches. all those details, incidents out there, some take on signif, some coincide. loose, multidirectional.
the end was moving. 'the end.'
like twop mgiant recapping Six Feet Under finale When this show says the end, not kidding. could call epsd 'Everyone Dies.'
Twop: show overview: Six Feet Under - 5.12 Everyone's Waiting - The final episode wraps everything up neater than Nate's shroud. David faces his fears, and ends up co-owner and resident of the funeral home with Keith .. Claire heads east. And then they all die. Seriously.
Lost now like Six Feet Under ends with everyone *ev*er*y one dead. sooner or later, everyone dies. popular tv shows ending with death. confronting the viewer with mortality. I mean, it really does. what the island was or wasn't, everyone dies. the end.
I flittingly feel so sad for jack. sad to realize he died. he doesn't want to let go.
he crashed, was on a weird island for a few months, got off the island with the Oceanic6, became depressed & pill-addicted & convinced he had to go back, went back, was briefly in the 70s, then back to his proper time where the black smoke had taken form as Locke, then he drank what Jacob gave him & he had to protect the island by killing Locke & then going down into the lightcave to put a stone back in a hole, and then he died.
that's it. life over. sad.
(he died of stab wound fr when fighting with Locke? who was then shot by Kate and then Jack kicked him off the cliff? all of wh was after Desmond went down into the cave light & before Jack went down into the cave, which then threw him out & up. and then he died of his injuries? sad.
was there a reason that black smoke locke found himself vulnerable? he was suprised, right? that he was bleeding? after jack punching him. and maybe also remarkable that jack could be hurt, since jack was now like jacob ~ so they should not have been able to harm each other? but they could.) may have missed happenings in there.
Oh, and when Jack goes flying through the air to kick Flocke in the face, it was a nicely composed shot and a decent air-punching moment. crazy over the top, wasn't it?! I mean, delightfully. like a video game freeze frame.
-strideo: The thing that sucked was that when we finally have Jack confront the sad day monster this caught my eye bcs that's the name given to black smoke by NeverSeenLost guy right? so strideo (who clearly has seen Lost, as he talks about other seasons, below, & thus is not the NeverSeenLost guy) must have read gotten the name fr that blog right? and he confidently declares that bringing Desmond to the heart of the island will not destroy the island and he will kill Mr. cloud monster man. (Locke: And how are you going to do that? Jack: That'sa surprise. *badass*) Aaaaand while Jack was technically correct, he did kill sad day monster (with Kate's help) and the island did not perish it's pretty obvious that none of this happened according to any plan and Jack had no idea what he was doing aw is that right? so why did he say that & go along w lowering Desmond into the cavelight? what did Jack think was going to happen? and he was pretty much like "Oh shit!" the moment the light went out and all hell broke lose. The only reason why it works in the end is because Jack plugs the hole in the heart of the island and fixes things. So once again just when Jack thinks he's got it figured out things just blow up in his face. :P shucks is that right? (but we just don't know what he thought he had figured out?)
I think the show really hit its stride in season two and it never really achieved the same level afterwords. For all the waiting they made you go through in season one to see what was in that hatch I thought that surely all the anticipation would only lead to disappointment but I have to admit I actually found the Swan station to be as intriguing as anything I could have imagined. I loved the sort of decaying 1970's vibe of the Swan and the idea that this poor guy was stuck down there with this dated record collection and exercise bicycle and stuff repeatedly performing a task that he didn't really understand. yeah that was very cool. The whole thing with the introductory film strip hosted by "Marvin Candle" was absolutely brilliant. The whole idea left me extremely curious about the other Dharma facilities when it was revealed that there were more of them. Unfortunately none of the other stations were as satisfying as the Swan; none of them were as detailed or mysterious or as well conceived.
My favorite and most emotional moment of the final episode was when Jack was making his way back to the bamboo grove to die. When he laid on the ground I was thinking that it was sad that he was going to die all alone and then almost as if on cue Vincent (the dog) comes bounding out of the forest and lays down with Jack bringing him comfort and then he looks up and sees the plane with his friends in flight and he seems satisfied. I know it's pretty simple but I liked it more than many of the heartfelt reunions and resolutions of complex emotional issues that we were presented with. Some may say that the emotional impact is lessened by the fact that we already know Jack's character lives on in the afterlife but from a character empathy standpoint we should understand that he doesn't know what will happen to him when he dies.
-I just hope that when I die a faithful dog will come and lay down next to me.
[strideo promoted this comment]
-For me, I loved it. I'm not entirely happy with the purgatory-verse route they took, but so be it. More than enough questions where answered in this final season to make me happy without ruining the magic of the show.
-Also, so wait, I want to go back to this parallel-timeline thing. We were given to understand initially that the parallel timeline was the consequence of detonating a hydrogen bomb on top of some electromagnetism which okay, so, fine, that's how parallel timelines are created. :) But it turns out that's not true, right? Right. No parallel timeline. No connection between the so-called 'sideways world' & the bomb going off or not going off when the white light flashed and the Losties went back to their proper 2008ish time. So, when the castaways went back in time & blew up the electromagnetism before they built the hatch on it (and evacuated the Island and everything), what was the consequence of that? Are we meant to understand that Juliet blowing up the pocket of electromagnetism had always happened in this timeline? ALSO! Are we also meant to understand that when Desmond gets bombarded by electromagnetism, he has a vision of purgatory?
--Yes. As for you talking about Desmond seeing purgatory, the label of purgatory is not really appropriate, as there is no way of really defining where they are. You may have noticed that in the church on the stained glass that many religions were recognized. Lost does not simply confine itself to the Christian concept of purgatory; rather, the characters had to join together in this one place before they could pass on to what is next, which is entirely open, like many things on Lost, to the viewer's own beliefs and interpretations. If the viewer believes in Heaven, then they go there. Or they are reincarnated, if the viewer believes in that. But I think to simply call the place of their passing on "purgatory" is not fair. It seemed to be the final test that they had to face. Each of them had to remember that they died, and that all of them together did something important. so it is also about having done something important? saving the world? The island was the single most important experience in these people's lives, and while it was at many times tragic, it shaped them and made them better people. so from within the perspective of the show's universe, do other people experience collective dream psychic purgatory ish with people from the most important experience in *their* lives (whatever it was for them)? I suppose so. I mean, are the Losties unique~special wrt this afterlife experience? They needed the island to become the best of themselves. Not everyone did, obviously. Not everyone made it to the church, not everyone was allowed to see the whole picture. hmm.
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Wednesday, May 19, 2010
"Lost's" penultimate was like a thematic episode
"'What They Died For' is a lot of things," says Todd VanDerWerff. "It's a fantastic episode of 'Lost,' one that moves like a rocket. cool. It's a big, relatively well-handled infodwnld ok good bit I saw did seem stayed w conversatn when I tht wld not show us (eg Jacob's "sit down & I'll explain it all)that makes sure we know how everything & everyone fits into the big picture, mostly. It's an episode that makes sure everyone is in place for the finale.It's a reminder that even though the show isgoing to do 'did' big mythology episodes now & again, it's always going to return 'returned' to the characters we loved from the regular cast. It makes a big case for the flash-sideways as being completely necessary to the series' narrative. it did? ok I must really hv missed a fair bit In some ways, it's an episode that makes last week's "Across the Sea" seem retroactively much more important (and I'll be very surprised if the finale doesn't make it seem even more important)."
Ben is the new Man in Black [peteramescarlin*] (hmm?)// What a perfect setup for the finale [hitfix sepinwall]
This week's episode made up for all the "half-dozen stinkers" this season [slate]
Jimmy Fallon asks, "Kate or Juliet?": "Both at the same time," says Matthew Fox [vid: intense qstns skit]
[tvtattle.com/2010/05/19/9801 permalink ]
*peteramescarlin -Lost in Translation: Have you ever heard about the Midnight Rambler?
A surfeit of goodness somehow leads to evil. Weird, huh? And yet, somehow, an essential, inescapable truth. The white side must have its dark other side. Yin and yang. Up and down. The Beatles and the Stones.
re Ben as new MiB,int to recall Ben greeting Jack, at Locke's coffin. "it's dark, Jack. very dark." loved that line.
and they have to take Locke's body. (have we learned why Ben thought that? just, in order to get back? per Eloise, have to have Locke on the plane to make it more like flight 815, a corpse wearing Christian Shepherd's shoes. ~well.
so Ben and Jack together working to go back, to get the O6 to go back.
and there's a striking difference btw Ben & MiB, who has always wanted to get off the island. Ben always wants to be there, wants it to be his island. right? so, okay, could be that Ben will represent a dark force to Jack's force of light, maybe. a rather different dynamic, though. what would Ben be trying to do?
re this epsd, read:*Tuned In. (Sepinwall.) TvdW. ~zap2it. **DocJ.
"Bored" Sarah Silverman grills "Lost's" Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse [funnyordie vid 'SizzleAlert']
"I couldn't help but notice that you're both huge f*cking nerds." [tvtattle.com/2010/05/19/9798 permalink -int: post #s counting down; this is more recent post, nearer top of page, #9798 ]
Judges seemed hellbent on pumping up Lee to "Idol" viewers [Salon - re Final 3 performance] y they did [tvtattle.com/2010/05/19/9800 permalink]
+ re Idol: twopJacob, DFienberg, Tunedin. done done done. Jacob vs DFienberg rather strikingly diff rxns ~ eg, Jacob re Travis whoever performance "may have to check out his record ~ well played" where Fienberg totally snarkily dismissed.
Tuesday: Idol finals Crystal v Lee. [Wednesay two hours: 'The top 12 finalists reunite; the winner is revealed.']
and Glee epsd 'Theatricality' w songs of Lady Gaga, huh.
and Parenthood finale.
and after that's all over > > [later after Lost | read back re BrkgBad, Tara (watch)
Recap: Breaking Bad 3.9 Kafkaesque -TvdW, HitFix
Breaking Bad 3.9 Kafkaesque: Just a little off the top -ASepinwall, HitFix
Tara 2.9: Family Portrait: Cheating yourself -ASepinwall, HitFix
+ fr this Sunday there will be a new Breaking Bad (epsd 10 of 13 this seasn, so after that there will be three left) to watch & read about. & on Monday a new Tara (epsd 10 of 12, so after that there will be two left) so I'll have 2 epsds to catch up on watching. or could wait & watch last four (epsd 9,10,11,12) at once, wh I think wld play well.
then: All Done ? _________________________________________________________________
til eventual summer fare ~ -Weeds. -True Blood. (both recapped at twop by jacob, I think). -The Closer.
...(in fall) -Dexter. ... (& sometime in 2010) -In Treatment.
True Blood: third season will air beginning [Sunday] June 13, 2010, according to HBO. (wkp) ~12 epsds?
The Closer: sixth season will debut [Monday] July 12. (ggl - tvguide) ~ 12 summer episodes? then 3 in December
Weeds: The sixth season will premiere on [Monday] August 16, 2010. -13 epsds (wkp)
Linda Hamilton will be joining the cast as Linda, who, along with her partner Fiona, will help Nancy begin her dealings in Seattle.[13] Seattle! huh. fifth season ended with? ah right, Pilar in the pool. so maybe Nancy has to take off. goes w sons to Seattle? int.
Dexter: fifth season set to premiere in September 2010.[8]
"'What They Died For' is a lot of things," says Todd VanDerWerff. "It's a fantastic episode of 'Lost,' one that moves like a rocket. cool. It's a big, relatively well-handled infodwnld ok good bit I saw did seem stayed w conversatn when I tht wld not show us (eg Jacob's "sit down & I'll explain it all)that makes sure we know how everything & everyone fits into the big picture, mostly. It's an episode that makes sure everyone is in place for the finale.It's a reminder that even though the show is
Ben is the new Man in Black [peteramescarlin*] (hmm?)// What a perfect setup for the finale [hitfix sepinwall]This week's episode made up for all the "half-dozen stinkers" this season [slate]Jimmy Fallon asks, "Kate or Juliet?": "Both at the same time," says Matthew Fox [vid: intense qstns skit] [tvtattle.com/2010/05/19/9801 permalink ]
*peteramescarlin -Lost in Translation: Have you ever heard about the Midnight Rambler?
A surfeit of goodness somehow leads to evil. Weird, huh? And yet, somehow, an essential, inescapable truth. The white side must have its dark other side. Yin and yang. Up and down. The Beatles and the Stones.
re Ben as new MiB,int to recall Ben greeting Jack, at Locke's coffin. "it's dark, Jack. very dark." loved that line.
and they have to take Locke's body. (have we learned why Ben thought that? just, in order to get back? per Eloise, have to have Locke on the plane to make it more like flight 815, a corpse wearing Christian Shepherd's shoes. ~well.
so Ben and Jack together working to go back, to get the O6 to go back.
and there's a striking difference btw Ben & MiB, who has always wanted to get off the island. Ben always wants to be there, wants it to be his island. right? so, okay, could be that Ben will represent a dark force to Jack's force of light, maybe. a rather different dynamic, though. what would Ben be trying to do?
re this epsd, read:*Tuned In. (Sepinwall.) TvdW. ~zap2it. **DocJ.
"Bored" Sarah Silverman grills "Lost's" Damon Lindelof & Carlton Cuse [funnyordie vid 'SizzleAlert']
"I couldn't help but notice that you're both huge f*cking nerds." [tvtattle.com/2010/05/19/9798 permalink -int: post #s counting down; this is more recent post, nearer top of page, #9798 ]
Judges seemed hellbent on pumping up Lee to "Idol" viewers [Salon - re Final 3 performance] y they did [tvtattle.com/2010/05/19/9800 permalink]
+ re Idol: twopJacob, DFienberg, Tunedin. done done done. Jacob vs DFienberg rather strikingly diff rxns ~ eg, Jacob re Travis whoever performance "may have to check out his record ~ well played" where Fienberg totally snarkily dismissed.
Tuesday: Idol finals Crystal v Lee. [Wednesay two hours: 'The top 12 finalists reunite; the winner is revealed.']
and Glee epsd 'Theatricality' w songs of Lady Gaga, huh.
and Parenthood finale.
and after that's all over > > [later after Lost | read back re BrkgBad, Tara (watch)
Recap: Breaking Bad 3.9 Kafkaesque -TvdW, HitFix
Breaking Bad 3.9 Kafkaesque: Just a little off the top -ASepinwall, HitFix
Tara 2.9: Family Portrait: Cheating yourself -ASepinwall, HitFix
+ fr this Sunday there will be a new Breaking Bad (epsd 10 of 13 this seasn, so after that there will be three left) to watch & read about. & on Monday a new Tara (epsd 10 of 12, so after that there will be two left) so I'll have 2 epsds to catch up on watching. or could wait & watch last four (epsd 9,10,11,12) at once, wh I think wld play well.
then: All Done ? _________________________________________________________________
til eventual summer fare ~ -Weeds. -True Blood. (both recapped at twop by jacob, I think). -The Closer.
...(in fall) -Dexter. ... (& sometime in 2010) -In Treatment.
True Blood: third season will air beginning [Sunday] June 13, 2010, according to HBO. (wkp) ~12 epsds?
The Closer: sixth season will debut [Monday] July 12. (ggl - tvguide) ~ 12 summer episodes? then 3 in December
Weeds: The sixth season will premiere on [Monday] August 16, 2010. -13 epsds (wkp)
Linda Hamilton will be joining the cast as Linda, who, along with her partner Fiona, will help Nancy begin her dealings in Seattle.[13] Seattle! huh. fifth season ended with? ah right, Pilar in the pool. so maybe Nancy has to take off. goes w sons to Seattle? int.
Dexter: fifth season set to premiere in September 2010.[8]
Saturday, May 15, 2010
what's going on here, what is this
Amer Idol S9 Top 4: Results - recap by Jacob | TWoP | p2
The kids do a commercial.. And as has been the case recently the most distinctive, not to say horrible, part of all of this is Casey's intensely awkward attempts to seem enthused. The cocked knees, the arms thrown wide with elbows tucked in, the rocker face, the shivering hair: Life is just one long Spring Break photo pose for old Casey. It's like his body, and the world, are just painted-on plywood scenarios, with a cutout face-hole, mugging away with increasing desperation: Look, America! I'm a circus strongman! I'm a gorilla! I'm an American Idol! *Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson!* (nice ~ the song he performed the night before)
If you make Top Three, what will you be excited about? Casey wants to breathe Texas air. Crystal wants to play a gig with her bass player, Blind Gums Rotunda. Lee just wants to be Top Three. That is his home now. hmh. Then he talks some more, about nothing whatsoever. Why can't Ryan ever stop him when this happens? Maybe he's just fond of him, like we all are. Dim those lights, Ryan.
Amer Idol S9 Top 4: Results - recap by Jacob | TWoP | p 3 of 6
Lee and Crystal, you sang a song from the movie Once .. Lee, do you have anything to say also? I mean, something relevant to the question you were just asked? *Absolutely not.*
Casey, you are safe. Ain't that a motherfucker. So it's gotta be Mike, right? Only Mike can go home now? Why not say that the obvious ones are safe, kill some time? The fact that Ryan didn't think this through :) makes me wonder if in fact it is that simple. Man, if Mike stays over the other two, I will just...
But then also it would just make sense for Mike to go, because Lee and Crystal and Casey are all kind of the same guy. They're all too good for this show, and yet really bad at this show. Do you know what I mean? Like, Bo-Carrie or Taylor-Elliot-DAUGHTRY or... HOLD up. That's what we're looking at. Season Five.
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think this, but it's so rare I even attempt to remember or figure anything out about this show that I'm honestly proud of myself. Haven't we said that Lee is DAUGHTRY all along, all bagpipes and "Lightning Crashes"? And doesn't Crystal have diabetes and a pure sweet talent? And isn't Casey a spazztastic national disappointment?
Because the genius of this, you see, is that it makes Big Mike the Katharine McPhee, which... Isn't he, though? Isn't that precisely right? I think I'm onto something. I'm not saying the finale will be Mike vs. Casey, because I would kill myself if that happened, but the people in play, that's exactly what's going on.
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a fvr bit of mine in a Will & Grace epsd, either Jack or Megan Mullally's character ~ yes, I think it was Karen, coming in on an interaction underway: "What am I watching here? What show is this?"
ok, playing like we're all performing & watching performances, ok, everything is a pop cultural product, like we just need to know what form of entertainment we are consuming here to get oriented. what I like is the getting oriented, the question. What is this? hand circlewave gesture: "this"
jacobtwop says he doesn't usually try "to figure anything out about this show" -- my int is, what there is to figure out. what's going on. what show this is.
or, my int is what are we doing when we are figuring out what show this is.
often ~mostly?~ what we are doing is figuring out what it is like. what's going on here is this is season five. this is like then. this is that. it is the same as, the people are in similar relation to, he is in the role of her.
ok all thinking is metaphor a fancier way to say all comparison ie it's all putting into relation, sure ~ eh
jacob recapping weeds, saying 'what's going on here is: addiction. it's the bear. it's the tunnel down and every day that you don't feed the bear is the tunnel up.' that's a different kind of answer?
I like the boldness, the sincerity.
as with other voices I like, with some closeness to my, I kind of do not like how gets in my head ~ my thoughts in that rhythm style voice.
www.jacobclifton.com 2010/05 I don't even *own* a tv: .. straining to understand plotpoints on Stargate: Universe. That show seems really basic? But there is so much I don't understand on it.
The kids do a commercial.. And as has been the case recently the most distinctive, not to say horrible, part of all of this is Casey's intensely awkward attempts to seem enthused. The cocked knees, the arms thrown wide with elbows tucked in, the rocker face, the shivering hair: Life is just one long Spring Break photo pose for old Casey. It's like his body, and the world, are just painted-on plywood scenarios, with a cutout face-hole, mugging away with increasing desperation: Look, America! I'm a circus strongman! I'm a gorilla! I'm an American Idol! *Here's to you, Mrs. Robinson!* (nice ~ the song he performed the night before)
If you make Top Three, what will you be excited about? Casey wants to breathe Texas air. Crystal wants to play a gig with her bass player, Blind Gums Rotunda. Lee just wants to be Top Three. That is his home now. hmh. Then he talks some more, about nothing whatsoever. Why can't Ryan ever stop him when this happens? Maybe he's just fond of him, like we all are. Dim those lights, Ryan.
Amer Idol S9 Top 4: Results - recap by Jacob | TWoP | p 3 of 6
Lee and Crystal, you sang a song from the movie Once .. Lee, do you have anything to say also? I mean, something relevant to the question you were just asked? *Absolutely not.*
Casey, you are safe. Ain't that a motherfucker. So it's gotta be Mike, right? Only Mike can go home now? Why not say that the obvious ones are safe, kill some time? The fact that Ryan didn't think this through :) makes me wonder if in fact it is that simple. Man, if Mike stays over the other two, I will just...
But then also it would just make sense for Mike to go, because Lee and Crystal and Casey are all kind of the same guy. They're all too good for this show, and yet really bad at this show. Do you know what I mean? Like, Bo-Carrie or Taylor-Elliot-DAUGHTRY or... HOLD up. That's what we're looking at. Season Five.
I'm sure I'm not the first person to think this, but it's so rare I even attempt to remember or figure anything out about this show that I'm honestly proud of myself. Haven't we said that Lee is DAUGHTRY all along, all bagpipes and "Lightning Crashes"? And doesn't Crystal have diabetes and a pure sweet talent? And isn't Casey a spazztastic national disappointment?
Because the genius of this, you see, is that it makes Big Mike the Katharine McPhee, which... Isn't he, though? Isn't that precisely right? I think I'm onto something. I'm not saying the finale will be Mike vs. Casey, because I would kill myself if that happened, but the people in play, that's exactly what's going on.
_________________________________________________________
a fvr bit of mine in a Will & Grace epsd, either Jack or Megan Mullally's character ~ yes, I think it was Karen, coming in on an interaction underway: "What am I watching here? What show is this?"
ok, playing like we're all performing & watching performances, ok, everything is a pop cultural product, like we just need to know what form of entertainment we are consuming here to get oriented. what I like is the getting oriented, the question. What is this? hand circlewave gesture: "this"
jacobtwop says he doesn't usually try "to figure anything out about this show" -- my int is, what there is to figure out. what's going on. what show this is.
or, my int is what are we doing when we are figuring out what show this is.
often ~mostly?~ what we are doing is figuring out what it is like. what's going on here is this is season five. this is like then. this is that. it is the same as, the people are in similar relation to, he is in the role of her.
ok all thinking is metaphor a fancier way to say all comparison ie it's all putting into relation, sure ~ eh
jacob recapping weeds, saying 'what's going on here is: addiction. it's the bear. it's the tunnel down and every day that you don't feed the bear is the tunnel up.' that's a different kind of answer?
I like the boldness, the sincerity.
as with other voices I like, with some closeness to my, I kind of do not like how gets in my head ~ my thoughts in that rhythm style voice.
www.jacobclifton.com 2010/05 I don't even *own* a tv: .. straining to understand plotpoints on Stargate: Universe. That show seems really basic? But there is so much I don't understand on it.
“Across The Sea” - by Noel Murray | Lost | TV Club | The A.V. Club
What I liked about “Across The Sea”—loved, really—is that when all was said and done, the answers really weren’t so simple. Sure, the implications may be. Lost over the last several weeks has clarified just who the villain of the piece is, and what the responsibilities of our heroes are, vis-a-vis said villain. Yet the roots of that hero vs villain dynamic remain awfully tangled, and indicate that when it comes to faith vs. reason, and choice vs. no-choice, there’s still quite a bit of gray in this story of white stones and black stones. “Across The Sea” had a real biblical feel, as just as with The Holy Bible, there’s a lot here that’s open to interpretation.
Here’s one interpretation:
And here’s another interpretation:
And I could go on. I could mention that while living with The Others, the black-clad brother comes to hate them, because he sees that The Woman was right, and that men are by nature “greedy, manipulative, untrustworthy, and selfish.” I could mention that the white-clad brother—Jacob—watches these men from afar and sees a lot of good in them, even as he dutifully stays by The Woman’s side. right. this is where I missed a few minutes and was m main complaint, why does the son who broke from the Mother and went to live with the men, viewing them as his people, come to adhere to the Mother's viewpoint that the men are no good? they come, fight, destroy, it always ends the same. And why does the son who remains loyal to Mother and succeeds her in the role of Island guardian (*from* the greedy fighting men) dissent from her viewpoint and instead believe & wish to prove that there is good in mankind?
“Across The Sea” was an origin story—and Lost has always been good at origin stories—explaining why Jacob and Blackie are obsessed with games, and throwing out a bunch of familiar phrases and images, and showing how Jacob pushed Blackie into Glowy Cave, turning him into Smokey. But the episode also shows how origin stories can change over time, and take on meanings far different than their, well, origins. Yes, Smokey came into this world because Blackie disobeyed. But Jacob is just as much to blame, for forcing his brother into the water.
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I like Noel Murray's two interpretations. (reads a bit like Kierkegaard re Abraham & Isaac, the ways it could have gone. but there, it only actually happened one way. Kierkegaard detailing how that one way is ~uniquely, precariously okay. how easily & variously it could have gone wrong. ~like GKC re christianity as distinct, this happened, only & exactly actually this. *not* any variation. one truth.) I like variations. (Calasso: myths are stories that encompass their own variants)
What I liked about “Across The Sea”—loved, really—is that when all was said and done, the answers really weren’t so simple. Sure, the implications may be. Lost over the last several weeks has clarified just who the villain of the piece is, and what the responsibilities of our heroes are, vis-a-vis said villain. Yet the roots of that hero vs villain dynamic remain awfully tangled, and indicate that when it comes to faith vs. reason, and choice vs. no-choice, there’s still quite a bit of gray in this story of white stones and black stones. “Across The Sea” had a real biblical feel, as just as with The Holy Bible, there’s a lot here that’s open to interpretation.
Here’s one interpretation:
Once upon a time, two brothers—twins—were born on a mysterious island, and raised by a woman who taught them right from wrong, and taught them also that they were destined to protect The Island from ill-intentioned interlopers who would exploit The Island’s unique energies, and spread wickedness throughout the world entire. Only the younger twin—The Bad Twin—didn’t trust The Woman, and went to live with some of those interlopers, helping them to tap into what The Island has to offer. So The Woman punished The Bad Twin for straying, and in return he killed her. The Good Twin banished his brother, consigning him to roam The Island as a monster, effectively drafting The Bad Twin in the ongoing campaign to keep outsiders at bay.
And here’s another interpretation:
Once upon a time, a woman stumbled across a pregnant castaway on the beach of a mysterious island, and after helping her deliver her babies—twins—The Woman killed The Mother and claimed the offspring as her own. The Woman lied to the brothers about what lay beyond the confines of The Island. She lied to them about why they were there, and what they were meant to do. She pitted one brother against the other, by indicating she had different expectations for each. She stifled their interests, and crushed their ambitions. Then the younger twin—The Good Twin—rose up against her and killed her. And in repayment, he was chained to the land he despised.
And I could go on. I could mention that while living with The Others, the black-clad brother comes to hate them, because he sees that The Woman was right, and that men are by nature “greedy, manipulative, untrustworthy, and selfish.” I could mention that the white-clad brother—Jacob—watches these men from afar and sees a lot of good in them, even as he dutifully stays by The Woman’s side. right. this is where I missed a few minutes and was m main complaint, why does the son who broke from the Mother and went to live with the men, viewing them as his people, come to adhere to the Mother's viewpoint that the men are no good? they come, fight, destroy, it always ends the same. And why does the son who remains loyal to Mother and succeeds her in the role of Island guardian (*from* the greedy fighting men) dissent from her viewpoint and instead believe & wish to prove that there is good in mankind?
“Across The Sea” was an origin story—and Lost has always been good at origin stories—explaining why Jacob and Blackie are obsessed with games, and throwing out a bunch of familiar phrases and images, and showing how Jacob pushed Blackie into Glowy Cave, turning him into Smokey. But the episode also shows how origin stories can change over time, and take on meanings far different than their, well, origins. Yes, Smokey came into this world because Blackie disobeyed. But Jacob is just as much to blame, for forcing his brother into the water.
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I like Noel Murray's two interpretations. (reads a bit like Kierkegaard re Abraham & Isaac, the ways it could have gone. but there, it only actually happened one way. Kierkegaard detailing how that one way is ~uniquely, precariously okay. how easily & variously it could have gone wrong. ~like GKC re christianity as distinct, this happened, only & exactly actually this. *not* any variation. one truth.) I like variations. (Calasso: myths are stories that encompass their own variants)
Thursday, May 13, 2010
'Across the Sea' - Lostwatch: Original Sin - James Poniewozik, Tuned In, TIME.com | 59 comments
The episode did play on and elaborate a lot of important Lost themes in interesting ways. It was maybe the most overtly Biblical episode of Lost yet. And yet it didn't just recreate a Biblical story; it took several and mashed them up, complicated them. There are elements of Cain and Abel, but the son kills the mother—and cannot kill his brother. There's Esau and Jacob, but as we now learn, Jacob is the one who feels insecure about his birthright and the love of his mother. There's the prodigal son—but he does not exactly get welcomed back with a fatted calf. And there's an original sin, but it's not only a murder. It's a theft—a mother stealing another's babies, something that we've seen repeated down the history of the Island, with similar results of madness and murder. And really, there's another original sin, one that brings these characters closest to the psychology of the contemporary Oceanic 815 characters: parents passing their issues, deceptions and mistrust on to their children.
* So why did Mother thank MIB when he killed her?
[Update: Well, here's a thought, after sleeping on the episode—suppose Mom is a smoke monster herself. Perhaps, whenever she got to the Island, she too was intrigued by the light, got lfushed down the same glowing toilet that MIB did, and was transformed. Unable to die, and "tired" of life, she welcomes death at her son's hand. This would explain how she knows so much about the nature and effects of the light. It would explain how she managed to take out that entire village of Bronze Age Others. And it might explain the idea of there being a special blade, like Dogen's, that one is to use to kill MIB—a magnetized blade, perhaps?]
right ok saw this idea expressed in comments at Alan Sepinwall's post at Hitfix esp well argued by commenter yyz, way down twd end of current 300 cmmts. but someone else, nearish to top, suggested this & incl int idea that th appearance of birth mother Claudia as ghost to son MiB was in fact Mother the smoke monster (cool) taking that form to initiate her special son turning on her and eventually killing her. which was the loophole she was looking for so she could escape immortality, so she could die.
I'd like that to be the story, but I think Darlton is giving sth much less intricately worked out, much less interesting. more sloppy. seems I've felt this way --I don't believe you-- since the Richard epsd Ab Aeterno. where th backstory just was not well designed, did not fit in any satisfying ways with previous seasons or even w Richard's recent behavior.
-chelsea15jk: I'm on the Lost imdb boards, and they're theorizing maybe the hunters (the first guys Jacob and MIB saw) are Sayid and Sawyer. Jack maybe looked like he was part of that too. Is this completely crazy? It kinda sounded like Sawyer. see now that would be cool. if we find out sth weird re time happening during what we saw here, the lives of Jacob & his brother, such that their growing up actually intersected with the Losties being on island in 2004, and such that the clothes on the skeletons *would* only show 50 years of decomposition when Jack, Kate, & Locke found them. but I do not believe Darlton are going to give anyth th intricate.
[Update 2: Wow, early the next morning and the Internet is discussing the crap out of this episode. This is one of the things I love about Lost—the way it invites unpacking and meaning-making. yes, this is *the* thing I love about Lost. And whether "Across the Sea" fascinated or frustrated you, I'm guessing we're going to do more talking about this one than any episode yet this season. (Plan to call in sick the day after the finale.)
For more "Across" talk, see:
Jeff Jensen's instant reaction ("Grade A ideas in a grade B package") [Jeff Jensen's full recap: EW - 'Lost' recap: A boy's best friend is his mother - Doc Jensen Every day is Mother's Day for Jacob and the Man In Black] done.
Noel Murray (who makes a strong case for many of the elements of the episode I had issues with) and Myles McNutt (who had a great discussion about how the revelations worked, if not as answers, then as metaphors).
I'll also check the blogs I had been following Todd VanDerWerff at LATimes showtracker blog; Ryan McGee at Zap2It; LongLiveLocke
The episode did play on and elaborate a lot of important Lost themes in interesting ways. It was maybe the most overtly Biblical episode of Lost yet. And yet it didn't just recreate a Biblical story; it took several and mashed them up, complicated them. There are elements of Cain and Abel, but the son kills the mother—and cannot kill his brother. There's Esau and Jacob, but as we now learn, Jacob is the one who feels insecure about his birthright and the love of his mother. There's the prodigal son—but he does not exactly get welcomed back with a fatted calf. And there's an original sin, but it's not only a murder. It's a theft—a mother stealing another's babies, something that we've seen repeated down the history of the Island, with similar results of madness and murder. And really, there's another original sin, one that brings these characters closest to the psychology of the contemporary Oceanic 815 characters: parents passing their issues, deceptions and mistrust on to their children.
* So why did Mother thank MIB when he killed her?
[Update: Well, here's a thought, after sleeping on the episode—suppose Mom is a smoke monster herself. Perhaps, whenever she got to the Island, she too was intrigued by the light, got lfushed down the same glowing toilet that MIB did, and was transformed. Unable to die, and "tired" of life, she welcomes death at her son's hand. This would explain how she knows so much about the nature and effects of the light. It would explain how she managed to take out that entire village of Bronze Age Others. And it might explain the idea of there being a special blade, like Dogen's, that one is to use to kill MIB—a magnetized blade, perhaps?]
right ok saw this idea expressed in comments at Alan Sepinwall's post at Hitfix esp well argued by commenter yyz, way down twd end of current 300 cmmts. but someone else, nearish to top, suggested this & incl int idea that th appearance of birth mother Claudia as ghost to son MiB was in fact Mother the smoke monster (cool) taking that form to initiate her special son turning on her and eventually killing her. which was the loophole she was looking for so she could escape immortality, so she could die.
I'd like that to be the story, but I think Darlton is giving sth much less intricately worked out, much less interesting. more sloppy. seems I've felt this way --I don't believe you-- since the Richard epsd Ab Aeterno. where th backstory just was not well designed, did not fit in any satisfying ways with previous seasons or even w Richard's recent behavior.
-chelsea15jk: I'm on the Lost imdb boards, and they're theorizing maybe the hunters (the first guys Jacob and MIB saw) are Sayid and Sawyer. Jack maybe looked like he was part of that too. Is this completely crazy? It kinda sounded like Sawyer. see now that would be cool. if we find out sth weird re time happening during what we saw here, the lives of Jacob & his brother, such that their growing up actually intersected with the Losties being on island in 2004, and such that the clothes on the skeletons *would* only show 50 years of decomposition when Jack, Kate, & Locke found them. but I do not believe Darlton are going to give anyth th intricate.
[Update 2: Wow, early the next morning and the Internet is discussing the crap out of this episode. This is one of the things I love about Lost—the way it invites unpacking and meaning-making. yes, this is *the* thing I love about Lost. And whether "Across the Sea" fascinated or frustrated you, I'm guessing we're going to do more talking about this one than any episode yet this season. (Plan to call in sick the day after the finale.)
For more "Across" talk, see:
Jeff Jensen's instant reaction ("Grade A ideas in a grade B package") [Jeff Jensen's full recap: EW - 'Lost' recap: A boy's best friend is his mother - Doc Jensen Every day is Mother's Day for Jacob and the Man In Black] done.
Noel Murray (who makes a strong case for many of the elements of the episode I had issues with) and Myles McNutt (who had a great discussion about how the revelations worked, if not as answers, then as metaphors).
I'll also check the blogs I had been following Todd VanDerWerff at LATimes showtracker blog; Ryan McGee at Zap2It; LongLiveLocke
Wednesday, May 12, 2010
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Chicago is always uncertain about the weather. em fr cust p zmdio in mx.
Everybody talks about the weather. We don't. az- Everybody Talks About the Weather . . . We Don't: The Writings of Ulrike Meinhof | Seven Stories Press (June 1, 2008)
The weather fifteen years ago. az- The Weather Fifteen Years Ago - Wolf Haas | Ariadne Press (May 14, 2009)(Studies in Austrian Literature, Culture and Thought, Translation Series)
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~ is what happens. my
Chicago is always uncertain about the weather. em fr cust p zmdio in mx.
Everybody talks about the weather. We don't. az- Everybody Talks About the Weather . . . We Don't: The Writings of Ulrike Meinhof | Seven Stories Press (June 1, 2008)
The weather fifteen years ago. az- The Weather Fifteen Years Ago - Wolf Haas | Ariadne Press (May 14, 2009)(Studies in Austrian Literature, Culture and Thought, Translation Series)
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~ is what happens. my
Saturday, May 8, 2010
Jennifer, I said, and when I pressed my hand on her arm she shivered (and I thought, Does no one touch you?), Jennifer, I know I don't know you very well, but believe me, they will have peaked in three years and you will be sexy and good-looking and a pleasure to talk to forever.
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Jennifer, their daughter, came into Naomi's kitchen to nibble. I smiled and put a dozen hot kugel tarts, dense rounds of potato and salt and oil, to drain on a paper towel near her. Jack was fond, and blind, with Jennifer. She was tall and would be lovely, smart, and softhearted, and I think that he could not stand to know her any other way I don't underst, to have her suffer not only his life, but hers. Naomi admired her extravagantly and put humiliating tidbits in the synagogue newsletter about Jennifer's near miss with the Westinghouse Prize or her stratospheric PSATs; when Jennifer failed as a girl, Naomi narrowed her eyes venomously. Fiddling with her bra strap, eating too many cookies, Jennifer tormented Naomi, without meaning to. She sweated through her skimpy, badly chosen rayon jumper, built to show off lithe, tennis-playing fourteen-year-olds, not to flatter a solid young woman who looked as if in a previous world she would have been married by spring and pregnant by summer. And Naomi watched her and pinched her and hissed at her, fear and shame across her heavy, worried face.
I loved Jennifer's affection for me; that it was fueled by her sensible dislike of her mother made it better, but that wasn't the heart of it. The person who was loved by Jennifer and Jack was the best person I have ever been. My mother's daughter was caustic and cautious and furiously polite; my lovers' lover was adaptable, imaginative, and impenetrably cheerful.
Jennifer, I said to her at her bat mitzvah, surrounded by Sapirstein cousins, all with prime-time haircuts, wearing thin-strapped slip dresses that fluttered prettily around their narrow thighs while Jennifer's clung damply to her full back and puckered around the waistband of her panty hose, Jennifer, your Hebrew was gorgeous, your speech was witty, and you are a really, really interesting young woman. She watched her second cousin toss long, shiny red hair and sighed. Jennifer, I said, and when I pressed my hand on her arm she shivered (and I thought, Does no one touch you?), Jennifer, I know I don't know you very well, but believe me, they will have peaked in three years and you will be sexy and good-looking and a pleasure to talk to forever. She blushed, that deep, mottled raspberry stain fair-skinned girls show, and I left her alone.
Now, when I dropped by as a helpful friend of the family, she brought me small gifts of herself and her attention, and I even passed up some deep kisses with Jack in the garage, "getting firewood," to give enough, and get enough, with Jennifer.
.. "You know, about what Daddy eats. She read that he should eat a lot of raw vegetables and not a lot of fat. Like no more quesadillas. Like no more of these amazing cookies. You are now in Fat-Free Country, folks, leave your taste buds at the door." She grabbed four chocolate lace cookies and went into the backyard.
I had read the same article in Newsweek, about alternative treatments, and I dropped gingko powder into Jack's coffee when I couldn't steer him completely away from caffeine, and sometimes, instead of making love, I would say, I would chirp, Let's go for a swim! Let's do some yoga! and Jack would look at me and shake his head. "I already have a wife, sweetheart. Andrea, light of my life. Darling Mistress. I don't need another one. ..I do listen and I take good care of myself. It's not a cold."
I wanted it to be a cold, or even something worse, something for which you might have to have unpleasant treatments with disturbing, disfiguring side effects before you got better, or something that would leave scars like train tracks or leave you with one leg shorter than the other or even leave you in a wheelchair. Treatments that would leave you still you, just the worse for wear.
Amy Bloom (collected in A Blind Man Can See How Much I Love You) story 'The Gates are Closing' in Zoetrope: All-Story: Back Issue
I srchd for this bcs recalling re Jennifer, the other girls skinny in little dresses, "you will be sexy & good-looking (beautiful!) & a pleasure to talk to forever."
I did not remember that the narrator's lover, who is Jennifer's father, is dying. Parkinsons.
she wishes it was sth that wld leave you still you, disfigured, with scars, in a wheelchair, but you.
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Jennifer, their daughter, came into Naomi's kitchen to nibble. I smiled and put a dozen hot kugel tarts, dense rounds of potato and salt and oil, to drain on a paper towel near her. Jack was fond, and blind, with Jennifer. She was tall and would be lovely, smart, and softhearted, and I think that he could not stand to know her any other way I don't underst, to have her suffer not only his life, but hers. Naomi admired her extravagantly and put humiliating tidbits in the synagogue newsletter about Jennifer's near miss with the Westinghouse Prize or her stratospheric PSATs; when Jennifer failed as a girl, Naomi narrowed her eyes venomously. Fiddling with her bra strap, eating too many cookies, Jennifer tormented Naomi, without meaning to. She sweated through her skimpy, badly chosen rayon jumper, built to show off lithe, tennis-playing fourteen-year-olds, not to flatter a solid young woman who looked as if in a previous world she would have been married by spring and pregnant by summer. And Naomi watched her and pinched her and hissed at her, fear and shame across her heavy, worried face.
I loved Jennifer's affection for me; that it was fueled by her sensible dislike of her mother made it better, but that wasn't the heart of it. The person who was loved by Jennifer and Jack was the best person I have ever been. My mother's daughter was caustic and cautious and furiously polite; my lovers' lover was adaptable, imaginative, and impenetrably cheerful.
Jennifer, I said to her at her bat mitzvah, surrounded by Sapirstein cousins, all with prime-time haircuts, wearing thin-strapped slip dresses that fluttered prettily around their narrow thighs while Jennifer's clung damply to her full back and puckered around the waistband of her panty hose, Jennifer, your Hebrew was gorgeous, your speech was witty, and you are a really, really interesting young woman. She watched her second cousin toss long, shiny red hair and sighed. Jennifer, I said, and when I pressed my hand on her arm she shivered (and I thought, Does no one touch you?), Jennifer, I know I don't know you very well, but believe me, they will have peaked in three years and you will be sexy and good-looking and a pleasure to talk to forever. She blushed, that deep, mottled raspberry stain fair-skinned girls show, and I left her alone.
Now, when I dropped by as a helpful friend of the family, she brought me small gifts of herself and her attention, and I even passed up some deep kisses with Jack in the garage, "getting firewood," to give enough, and get enough, with Jennifer.
.. "You know, about what Daddy eats. She read that he should eat a lot of raw vegetables and not a lot of fat. Like no more quesadillas. Like no more of these amazing cookies. You are now in Fat-Free Country, folks, leave your taste buds at the door." She grabbed four chocolate lace cookies and went into the backyard.
I had read the same article in Newsweek, about alternative treatments, and I dropped gingko powder into Jack's coffee when I couldn't steer him completely away from caffeine, and sometimes, instead of making love, I would say, I would chirp, Let's go for a swim! Let's do some yoga! and Jack would look at me and shake his head. "I already have a wife, sweetheart. Andrea, light of my life. Darling Mistress. I don't need another one. ..I do listen and I take good care of myself. It's not a cold."
I wanted it to be a cold, or even something worse, something for which you might have to have unpleasant treatments with disturbing, disfiguring side effects before you got better, or something that would leave scars like train tracks or leave you with one leg shorter than the other or even leave you in a wheelchair. Treatments that would leave you still you, just the worse for wear.
Amy Bloom (collected in A Blind Man Can See How Much I Love You) story 'The Gates are Closing' in Zoetrope: All-Story: Back Issue
I srchd for this bcs recalling re Jennifer, the other girls skinny in little dresses, "you will be sexy & good-looking (beautiful!) & a pleasure to talk to forever."
I did not remember that the narrator's lover, who is Jennifer's father, is dying. Parkinsons.
she wishes it was sth that wld leave you still you, disfigured, with scars, in a wheelchair, but you.
Friday, May 7, 2010
Breaking Bad.
LOST.
Life Unexpected. Parenthood.
(Gossip Girl.)
UStatesTara.
...f a m i l y...
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on dlcs
go thr tele-v & change some to more specific tv-marks: show specific, tv~movie, tv~fvrwrit
-----srch Amer Idol change to to tv-pop!
------------------& ditto Bachelor [srch 'roses' for twop forum header]
already did 'DWTS', but + srch 'Dancing with' or ~.
LOST.
Life Unexpected. Parenthood.
(Gossip Girl.)
UStatesTara.
...f a m i l y...
______________________________________
on dlcs
go thr tele-v & change some to more specific tv-marks: show specific, tv~movie, tv~fvrwrit
-----srch Amer Idol change to to tv-pop!
------------------& ditto Bachelor [srch 'roses' for twop forum header]
already did 'DWTS', but + srch 'Dancing with' or ~.
Tuesday, May 4, 2010
Tues 5-4-10 tele-v to read
Amer Idol.
twop jacob recap. & maybe: ew, hitfix= daniel fienberg 'what th judges say: yo, yo.'
Lost.
sepinwall on hit fix. tuned in.
hmm do check in w ToddVDW at LATimes, haven't looked at all his recaps for a few epsds, since stopped reading much.
oh& Doc Jensen ok y pretty for sure worth reading Doc J for these last epsds
[last nite The Candidate. / next week Across the Seas re jacob & MiB. / then What They Died For. then 2.5hr The End. only 2 Tuesday night Lost episodes left, then Sunday finale.]
~tuned in. sepinwall. ToddWDW. + LongLiveLocke. *Doc J.*****
Parenthood.
twop Al Lowe recap. forums.
re Adam's barbecue, was the kid put off just by Max being so int in bugs? so m that he pretended to be sick. just bcs tht Max was weird?
___________incidental, re The Good Wife. Will Gardner char is a judge now? [check recaplet: oh, not recapped on twop huh. so cld lk for recap elsewh.] saw scene of him being forced to recuse himself. but can he be both a judge and still at law firm? ?
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& from Sunday: Breaking Bad. whoa.
twop - recap by Joe R - front pg recap logline:
' Um. Wow. WOW! Come for Aaron Paul's Emmy reel. Stay for the INSANE parking lot shootout.'
tuned in, sepinwall hit fix. do read Tim Goodman deco. ***** ***** *****
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