"second wife" cindy "townes van zandt" trying to find about

the tvz interview with Margaret Brown - New York Press ('Ny's alternative newspaper') :
MERIN: Was there much material you couldn't use?
BROWN: Tons. Everybody has Townes stories—like Townes always losing at poker. Someone said they'd won his car in a game. Somebody else told me Townes bet his second wife, Cindy—who was 17 when he was 32—and lost. Cindy went home with the guy; Townes just kept playing.

austin chronicle interview:
Those shots of birch trees are from Colorado, where Townes spent a lot of time; he'd go live in the mountains, he and Cindy, his second wife, who was an equestrian. They'd ride horses through the snow up there.

also:
Lee Daniel: Personally, I don't think Townes pondered all that much about what he had to give up to be an artist. I think he just did it right; it was in his DNA. It was almost predestined. Sometimes, there's just a need yes: You have to, you don't have a choice yes, you just do it because you think you need to. You know the consequences are going to be tough on the people who love you, but I don't think that Townes had a whole lot of choice in the matter; it all added up to one thing because of the whole package, including the addictions.

and ah I wondered, where is this audio from!?
MB: I knew that what Hedgepeth had written about Townes was the best I'd come across and I just felt I needed to go visit him. I certainly didn't know what would come of it. ...when Hedgepeth warmed up to me, he said, you know, "I have these interviews with Townes and, if you want, you can listen to them and keep them." These turned out to be a gold mine – interviews he'd done with Townes over a five-year period – they became the spine of the film. Townes would call Hedgepeth in the middle of the night and talk about the songs he'd just written, and this is where I got that famous Townes quote: "I don't envision a very long life for myself, I think my life will run out before my work does. I've designed it that way."

and~ "I'm going to write a song with the names of birds. Bluebird another bird another bird another bird another bird then maybe a bridge then another bird." -what's it going to be about? -"birds."