and hey the edit link moved up by the title instead of down by the date, which used to be in numerical format didn't it? 3/8/06 yes it did and now it says march 8, eh. but ok, this is worth it for being able to edit on the same screen -- no loading edit page then reloading bkmrk page, that's cool.
blog.del.icio.us - a few things and an outage yes just this morning posted by joshua on March 9, 2006 at 02:55 AM -We've just released a few small features -- inline editing, so you can edit and arrange your bookmarks much more quickly yep great arranging great, and we've prettied up the URL info page so it is easier to get at the conversation around the links. oh right is this what I saw when clicked on '1 other' - and it was busier looking than before, eh. but that's a good motive so maybe I'll come to appreciate it.
Comments (19) hey look 2nd comment: - Is there a way to go back to the previous view of url? this new one is really busy and -The URL info page is now incredibly mixed-up. The old way was much clearer. Too much information is presented twice, and I can no longer see what tags individuals used. del.icio.us is all about the tags.
also note 1st: i love you for making private bookmarks I shld look into this, esp maybe all the community pages I've been marking shld be private, they may not like being (however slightly in my dlcs) advertised.
just remember, this is so we can release private next week; unfortunately you will not see any changes till then. Posted by: joshua
-Although private bookmarking may bring in more people to del.icio.us (a lot of people I know are really possessive of stuff they find online huh-possessive. wonder why, and don't necessarily want their links publicly visible) this is the way I'd like private bookmarking to be: make the private bookmark publicly visible but do not show to others who bookmarked it. Posted by: Debajit
~ I think that would be counter to the purpose (for me ~ for most people? maybe not, maybe they just want anonymity) of not drawing attention to the page. (not imposing on the owner or participants of that website).
-I agree with Debajit: having private bookmarks just not marked with the poster, but still accessible for everybody would be great. If one really wants to keep something secret, it should not be posted on the net; but sometimes you don't want others to know what you're interested in. And it would be a pity if the social aspect of del.icio.us would vane! Posted by: yargo
Dejabit and Yargo -- That is true but, I think people would freak out; privacy and anonymity are not quite the same. Posted by: joshua nice.
+1 dejabit and yargo's point. Make it two options, anonymous or "completely private". They're two different use cases. I use "completely private" for tagging a picture of my girlfriend on Flickr or something. I use anonymous for tagging something I'd be embarassed for someone else to know I'm interested in. I mean, isn't the technical challenge how to get people to disclose their favorite porn sites? :) Posted by: method
unfortunately, anonymity is something that i think very few users would actually choose... Posted by: joshua
Or, more seriously, post resources relating to sensitive issues? Rape, mental illness, etcetera. Posted by: method
Well, instead of anonymity, you could create a totally separate account if you want to get stuff to folks without having it be associated with you? Posted by: joshua
-Hi, good to see you are all working hard, but i think it is a big mistake letting people keep bookmarks private. The collective voice of delicious is what makes it so great.
-Private bookmarks will bring me back to del.icio.us from the competitor sites !
-Bookmarks MUST be public by default. Will this be the case? I also agree that a default option to publish links anonymously (but if it already private? ~do you mean an option to 'downgrade' privacy to just-anonymous?) should be added when private is selected.
No worries. Sharing will be very strongly encouraged. Privacy will not be the default. Posted by: joshua
huh, maybe the new url view is useful to me - view of any Notes people make - eg see plasticbag's note on pagemark for mefi signup and the posting history is a few over time? (how selected?) but right, we do want to be able to see the whole list, at least all the tags. does seem like a good idea (and probably not difficult?) to have the former view available as a link from here, of complete history.
-it definitely makes sense to cut out all repeated cruft and just have the descriptions.
-Inline editing: great. Private links: even better. Loss of tags on URL page: terrible. Hope you'll bring them back.
- Inline editing is beautiful, and the new URL-specific pages are, perhaps, an acquired taste, but a step in the right direction. well said. I also would like to see all tags given to an URL, not just the common ones. Thanks for all the work you do Posted by: Gita
The ability to save tags in the order you want seems to have been changed. I was one of those anal retentive people that like tags in a certain order. Now I see some of my bookmarks with their tags all mixed up. Is this feature gone and I need to get use to this? Or will we have the option of alphabetical or go back to user preference? Posted by: Shaun
I noticed the order changing (zdate not in front) but it went back to my order on next refresh. it would be a bummer if can't put in order-
I'm in agreement with Shaun. I've been meticulous about the order in which I place tags and seeing them all jumbled up is a little painful. I also agree with those people who prefer the old history pages--though I think I understand that the new style is a bit more protective of users. A final quibble: I liked it before when the order in which entries were listed was by date created instead of how it seems to be now--by date modified. I retag things all the time and I'd prefer the order to remain the same. yeah I hadn't noticed that but would not like it! Posted by: Bernardo
Shaun, Bernardo -- the tags should not be getting reordered; that is clearly a bug. Where is the listing order getting changed? This is probably also a bug.
Posted by: joshua whew I hoped so. good.
-You know when you provide a service people depend on it is common curtesy to inform them of planned outages.
-We did announce it. Posted by: joshua
-hey, give them a break, this is a great FREE service that they are upgrading to be even better. A few hours of downtime isn't that bad.
-If an online service will be down for about 4 hours... is it worth considering a temporary service (within del.icio.us) to accept "link / text / tags" only and merge this info to the _big_ database later ! Posted by: Kishore Balakrishnan
I'm a little surprised by the negative response to the downtime. As Mats said, this is a wonderful, free service that Yahoo is providing and on which the del.icio.us team is diligently working. I'd think that we users of this free service could show a little of that courtesy we're so quick to demand. The outage was planned and announced, and no matter what time the database was taken offline, it would be inconvenient for someone; that's the consequence of having a time difference, and it's unavoidable. It's just (an estimated) four hours! Can we not, during that short time, save links to our local bookmarks folder and add them to del.icio.us later? (No offence, Kishore, my response isn't directed pointedly at you.) Posted by: Gita she's fair-minded.
Kishore has a good point, though. In the future I hope not to have to do this kind of stuff. Posted by: joshua awfully nice.
Regarding the concerns over private bookmarks, expressed by Sims and others, it seems that a few people think that this is a quantity vs quality issue. It's not, imho. Of at least 1500 or so links, I have about 10 that I would like to keep private. Without private bookmarks on del.icio.us, it means that I keep those 10 bookmarks local; with private bookmarks on del.icio.us, it means that I get to have all my resources in one location, private and public. Statistically, I don't think it'll affect the overall quality of the site, the social aspect of the site, or the "discovery" aspect of the site, at all. The feature will only, again imho, serve to make del.icio.us a more robust and complete solution for users. and agin showing her intelligence. Posted by: Gita
I agree with you, gita. I'd only keep a few BMs provate myself, maybe links to my client websites or (as a web developer) sites under construction. I only recently discovered del.icio.us and I frickin' LOVE it. Great source of inspiration and you can just get lost in it for hours :) Except when it's down, of course. The trials we must bear. Thank you del.icio.us team....Posted by: tony
To Somebody Somewhere (in europe..) I'm also in Europe. But I don't complain.. i understand, enhancements are great. And it is not easy to update a whole system. And it is free of charge, and without ads. I don't think adding angry comments will shorten the upgrade-time. So to all the people behind del.icio.us. Keep the good job and thanks. Now, some political discussion: I know that Yahoo is now behind del.icio.us. And I don't know what to do. On the first hand, I decided to boycott Yahoo since they have given informations that lead to the arrest of a Chinese journalist On the other hand, del.icio.us is a great service.. ...To all people complaining about the unavailability of del.icio.us, there is a nice plugin for firefox called foxilicious http://dietrich.ganx4.com/foxylicious/ This will copy your links into firefox. So even if del.icio.us is not available you have a backup. Posted by: pedro
-Thanks for the "private saving" feature. This was the only reason i startet using ma.gnolia. But i don´t like their good looking but not useful layout.. design should follow function. hmm..:
Zeldman Daily Report Oct05: Ma.gnolia “Found is the New Search,” the page proclaims. Zen koan? Nope. George Orwell outtake? Uh-uh. It’s the thought-provoking slogan of Ma.gnolia, an upcoming social bookmarking service now in pre-launch, sign-up mode. The temporary site’s design is not only lovely, it is also unusual, suggesting levels of thought and depth rarely seen in the category. What a pity this beautiful mini-site will have to die! (?prediction?)I know something about the product that’s coming, and look forward excitedly to its release. You might want to sign up.
All the cool apps come out today! -joshpeek.com (17yrold in Chicago,IL) -Ma.gnolia seems more for your bookmarks that you would keep in your browser. Del.icio.us seems like its for bookmarking every cool site or article you find.
Some suggestions for next time maintenance has to be carried out 1. Make the default error message a bit professional (1 line of ASCII text is a bit 1990s ...) 2. Make RSS feed links return valid RSS, not said line of ASCII text [At least if people syndicate their feed on their website they'll have the benefit of your nice worded maintenance announcement - not some random parse error, or just nothing] 3. At least look into making people's bookmarks available on the normal URL [Make them read-only and sourced from a stand-alone data table if you must] 4. Look at the earlier suggestion about letting people add links to an interim database for later integration [It's not rocket science] If you did all of the above I don't think there would be as many frustrated users today. I don't believe any of the above suggestions are unworkable for a modern tech company with a smart tech team. Yes, we don't pay for this service. Yes, we have no *right* to complain. You *are* perfectly within your rights to ignore me :) However, incidents like today mean I *will* look at other providers. Before today - it hadn't even occurred to me to look to see if there were alternates ... Not a good move for a business that's (Presumably) driving to gain market share ... Posted by: blewit
Thanks for the suggestions. As we continue to build the system we will try to incorporate them. Posted by: joshua what a sweetheart.
--remarkable that despite so many feature additions and the Yahoo acquisition, del.icio.us still remains the same wonderful web-application that it has always been, with all its trademark simplicity. -I think del.icio.us is great ! I use it these days as a way to do far deeper searches than I can get from Google. I have been calling del.icio.us 'threads of thought' in talking to other industry people. Thank You !
for now, an ending (quite happy) to this conversation:
Yay! Thank you for fixing the tag order bug. =]
Posted by: Gita Mar 10, 2006 3:17:00 PM
i'm a big fan of del.icio.us, and i was disappointed when i discovered i could no longer view all the tags people give to a URL but i just noticed it's back! thank you! this feature is highly valuable to anyone interested in studying tagging and folksonomy practices!
Posted by: ghp Mar 10, 2006 5:08:31 PM
Thanks for allowing me to see the URLs listed by list and frequency again. Great turnaround response time.
Posted by: Kent Bye Mar 10, 2006 6:10:54 PM
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