Saturday, February 9, 2008

'Lost' Dueling Analyses: Confirmed Dead - Celebritology:
-Lost is as much 'mystery novel' as it is science-ficiton, fantasy and drama. so, the reference to Lewis could be a red herring, which is ultimately the fun part of reading mystery novels and watching Lost in the first place. i think lost is much more connected to reality than the traditional sci-fi, parallel universe explanations. they're not going to cop out in a Dallas-dream-sequence sort of solution (which is what saying it's parallel universe does). the series will try to figure out a resolution to the 'man of science vs. man of faith' dilemma which became the guiding force of the show at the beginning of season 2. there won't be an entirely logical, reality-based explantion for the mysteries of the series, but the explanations won't be entirely sci-fi, fantasy either (we'll find out that both Locke mystical and Jack logical were wrong).

-How about this? The island as the biblical Eden. Humans were banished and the Island hidden, but people have managed, through a mix of accident and technology to "find" it again. Obviously there would be various factions driving to harness its unique powers, preserve it's hidden nature, or destroy it as an unacceptable challenge to human free will. I think unlikely as an answer, but int.
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Of all the crackpot theories for the overarching explanation of 'Lost' (they're all dead, they're in a parallel universe, they're stuck in a time loop, etc., etc.), yours is the first one that seems actually plausible to me. hmm. well there was Adam & Eve. but anyth else that specifically ties in with, suggests Biblical Eden?

-Another Locke as Jesus thought--Sawyer had a very "Doubting Thomas"-like moment when he wouldn't believe Locke was shot until Locke/Jesus showed him the actual wounds. Of course, in the Bible, this scene took place after Jesus had been resurrected. Which could be more fodder for the theory that Locke is dead, or was dead.
-Maybe the reason Locke's walking around with a bullet wound is the same reason he's WALKING around to begin with? nice. when he first gets up after the crash, epis 1, that's his resurrection.

-I think both Locke and Ben had a look of real surprise that Hurley knew about the cabin, and possibly could see Jacob. As Ben demonstrated when he mocked John when he at first couldn't see or communicate with Jacob, only "the chosen" get to see Jacob... probably goes for the cabin, too. right.
-Note the power shift towards Hurley; when Locke is telling Sawyer not to execute Ben, Sawyer and Hurley exchange a look and Hurley clearly nods to Sawyer, effectively saying let it go.

-Personally, I don't think the submerged plane is a plant. I think the producers and writers are into a divergent timeline idea, as per the Charlie jumps in the pool/Charlie doesn't jump in the pool idea hmm? what pool?, and the Flight 815 that was discovered at the bottom of the ocean was another version of the castaways' plane, one that went down under different circumstances and which was piloted by the Jimmy Buffet-guy. ah int. In which case he was looking at his own submerged corpse on TV, and maybe that's why he had such a strong feeling that wasn't the guy the newscasters thought it was? Because I gotta admit, I had the same reservations about the wedding-ring clue as the guy on the other end of the phone. heh.

-Faraday's trepidation with his environment and fascination with the light you mentioned above. He seems either to not trust the island environment or to be surprised to find it, well, livable.

-Question: what is Miles' connection to Oceanic 815? For the other 3, we see in the flashbacks either an unexplained emotional response to the discovery (Faraday), an obsession with the discovery (Lewis), or actual connection/knowledge of the flight (Pilot). I don't recall the crash coming up during the Miles flashback... did I miss it?
- Miles I'm not sure about, maybe him finding African drug money
-The problem with the Miles/Ana Lucia connection is that Miles ups the ghost busting price because he learned the woman's grandson was MURDERED, not shot by a cop. That said, I agree there has to be some prior connection for Miles with the Island, as it is with the rest of the rescue team.
-if there's a connection between the ghost that Miles spoke to and any of castaways
how come no one wonders if dead boy is related to Michael & Walt? ah here go:
-Here are some of my thoughts on the episode: (1) Michael is the mole on the freightor -that explains his name on the credit plus the myriad of interviews indicating that he is returning to the show; (2) Charlotte is Annie - bulletproof vest; hunting for Dharma relics; familiarity with the island; lack of fear when falling into the pool of water after releasing herself from the tree (is this the same pool where Kate and Sawyer swam in the first season) because she'd swam there as a child?; (3) The pilot who was killed by the smoke monster in the show's pilot was actually the co-pilot; we don't know what happened to the pilot but he is presumably dead (the actor who played the co-pilot was a regular on Alias and is now on Heroes and he is a friend of JJ Abrams) (4) I thought the boys room at the Grandmother's house showed pictures of Walt. Remember, Walt's mom died and who knows what happened (or will happen)to Michael, his father. Walt is truly dead and Miles finally released his spirit.

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-And the pictures at Grandma Gardner's house...First shot of the picture, it is in a fancy wide frame. Then after the ghost is exorcised, when we can see the group of pictures, it is in a skinny gold frame (or vice versa, but definitely 2 different frames). Anyone have screencaps? Are we supposed to really pay close attention?
-Before. After. Hmmmm.
-Whoa, that difference between the picture frames is really odd. It it were just a mistake by the set people, the picture would be different too. To keep the picture the same but change the frame is really odd. Perhaps Grandma uses the few moments alone to redecorate the place? Does the time change (the gold frames look more modern) while Myles is up there doing his exorcism, or are we in parallel universes (da dum)? Very weird.
-The surrounding pictures are different as well, I believe.
-It's not just the picture in the middle. It looks like all of the pictures have been rearranged and/or reframed. The picture to our left of the main one is definitely a different picture, and the one above might be the same picture, but it's a different frame. I cannot believe this could be accidental. So what's going on here? Did the ghost change things? Did Miles move from one universe to an almost identical parallel universe?
-I wonder if the change in the picture frames was just meant to be a subtle signal that things have changed at the house. That the grandson is gone now or "confirmed dead." Although I know it's dangerous to say that anything on this show is "just" anything, I do think that sometimes the things we see (perhaps Adam & Eve for example) are there to support the themes of this show as much as the plot. (Like all of the images of eyes opening, or of black and white are thematic elements, rather than plot points.) sure. In any case, I am now pretty sure that the dead kid isn't someone we're supposed to know, that the emphasis on the pictures was because of the changing frames, whatever the meaning.
-I agree. I think it is possible that the kid (and/or the grandmother) may have a connection to someone we know (Henry Gale; Rose; Eko; even Abaddon, perhaps why not Michael & Walt?), but I agree that the point of the scenes seems to be to tell us that something has changed by reason of whatever Miles did.
-I'm starting to think that as well. Usually, if they focus on a random image of someone, it's going to be someone important, but perhaps the important thing is that the frames changed, showing that the room Miles walked into isn't the same room he walked out of, or at least it's not in the same time.

-Someone noted that Miles was listening to a newscast about no survivors of 815 (as were all four of our new arrivals). oh. was he? so he's not an exception. all four were getting the news.

-A few people up thread mentioned the shot of Naomi possibly meaning she is still alive. I don't know. I got the feeling the shot was put in to underline the irony that she was the one who was supposed to save the other four and now she's dead. In a way, it even reminded me of the Twilight Zone episode with the person trying to escape prison by being buried with the last person who died at the prison, and as they wait, they discover that the person they are waiting for is in the coffin with them. Ah, the irony - I love it.

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...WashPo commenter Quiz Master
-I think all the flashbacks we saw were indeed flashbacks. The only one I think we don't know for sure is Miles since there wasn't a TV program or newspaper, etc in the scene mentioning the crash or the discovery of the plane at sea. There was a calendar in the house that said 2004 ok (the Oceanic flight crashed in Sept 2004), so we know it's about the time of the crash, but no definite date. Probably about the same timeframe as when we see the Pilot and Daniel F in their flashbacks. right. the first & last of these 4 scenes had first Daniel and finally the Pilot watching news reports re 815. (& Charlotte had a newspaper Le Journal de Tunisia with the headline *15: Retrouve.) ...we're getting our "New Character Introduction" Episode as usual. Each New Season usually opens with a shot where the viewer can't really at first decipher where we are or what's going on, an unknown perspective (Jack's eye, Desmond in the Hatch, the Others' Book Club, Under the Sea).
...we know that Abaddon was creepily saying that there were no survivors on the island. He was also saying it in such a way that meant that know one was supposed to talk about the fact that there actually WERE survivors on the island, and they both know it. The way he said it, how could ANYONE actually believe he was telling the truth? I think Screwtape at 12:48 had a pretty good post on this. =
--Just thinking aloud, but perhaps Abaddon's intention in repeating the line "there are no survivors of flight 815" was a not-so-subtle communication to Naomi--who is clearly a highly trained mercenary of some sort--that she is to execute the flight's survivors or otherwise see to their elimination?The writers clearly want Abaddon to be perceived as sinister, and perhaps the objectives of Naomi's mission are to 1. locate the island; and 2. eliminate the survivors. Maybe she's a "cleaner" sent to "clean up" (read: kill anyone involved in) botched covert ops?
---what if the someone Kate had to get back to is Abbadon or someone like him: someone the Six had to make a deal with in order to get off the island? In that case, perhaps Kate isn't one of the six because the "Rescuer" wants to keep her--she's essentially the sacrifice that allows the others to be free. This would explain why she wouldn't want to take Jack's call (not supposed to be in contact with him?) and why she was anxious to get back to "him" (to avoid detection for breaking the rules).

-How has no one mentioned THE COW!

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