We the Jury (1996) (TV) - I'm not giving it all my attention but think I like this movie on lifetime.
hadn't tht about it before: a jury ~ exempl sort of group that interests me, I guess bcs have a shared task, stuck tgther, personalities can't but play. I like when ppl are stuck in a room with each other. ~

imdb plot sum: Jury has to decide on a murder case but some of the jurors have their own agendas or are biased. Sounds like '12 Angry Men' but this is not a remake. It's a totally fresh take on the theme. Totally different case, for example. There is no question about the identity of the culprit, the jury has to decide between manslaughter and murder. maybe I should see 12 Angry, & look into jury recordings, other dramatizations -movies & novels.

I find the foreman guy endearing. kind of tic-ish~? aw. he just got caught having notes and he says he's never been involved in anything like this and ppl involved in things like this get famous and why not him. he wasn't going to do anything to.. jeopardize.. this. please, I want to stay. aw poor heart.
and this other guy the~a "you - you're smart" guy: "I can't do this analization." aw.
oh. foreman had to go. where did this replacement guy come from, how has he heard the trial evidence so far?
gosh blonde glasses woman is a btch. you mean mean mean woman, shut up. ah-huh now I am liking the mean latino guy who got mad at her for being a btch to the nice woman talking about a man she knew in old country. and hmm, he's got my respect ~ : "I don't have to convince anyboy of anything. Murder 1. You ladies either come around, or we're here a long time." then good scene (he's a good actor huh) w him challenging btch to pick up gun and point it at him and she does, shaking, and pulls trigger (not loaded) and he says: ok. you shot the lamp. you shot my knee. you shot my girlfriend's pussycat. and hmm, he is convincing me. but eventually btch pulls tgthr and comes back with: no, so&so testified that she was in an automated~ state. when everything is calm. and now she calmly points gun at his head. and sure, I can imagine that state, no problem. anyway outcome is I like him and not her. mean lady.
and again: 'can't you think for yourself?' bcs several women are wavering, saying there's a hole in defendant's story (why is his gun still in her closet when he moved rooms? so either he did not move rooms or it's not his gun & she is lying about him threatening her with it previously, wh seems to be the suspicion of the women now seeing a 'hole' in story.

black woman says we got to agree not to kill each other, basic. this woman calls police, says I killed him but you can't blame me, I wasn't right in my head.
ok I hear this. yesno. blackwhite. but of course there's a way of being out of your head that we recognize as diminishing punishability. and here, looks like too much deliberateness for a clear out-of-head lack of intent. but still might not be out&out murder comparable with cut&dry elimination for personal profit. which I'm calling murder 1. why isn't anybody talking about murder 2? what are the parameters?

latecomer replacing foreman summing up:
-gun in her closet not his
-in control: nailed him in one shot.

latino guy: I shoot my mouth, it's what I do. yeah I am basically liking him.
woman knitting was the one insulted by his shooting mouth, so she gets her dramatic-musicly personal moment, re husband of 40+ yrs, mistress came to funeral. and what cld I do to him? he was already dead. I saw this coming: It's murder. god help me it's what I would have done.

ok, pretty good ending. mean btch lady had to be convince that this is just one specific women, who was lying. then each juror had to answer: is this your verdict?

I like the visible imdb comment from rps-2 from Bracebridge Ont :
Fully half the film covers the jury deliberations yet it does not drag for a moment. I have one large complaint and that is the fact that Toronto again has allowed itself to be prostituted as the setting for an American city. Toronto's pretensions of being a "world class city" are worthless so long as this sort of cinematic pimping continues. Is there any other major city in the world (outside Canada) that demeans itself in this manner. London is always London. New York is New York. But Toronto invariably is Cincinatti or Boston. It's especially upsetting since CTV was one of the backers of this movie. It's especially obscene to see the US flag flying in front of the Canadian Government offices on Front Street. Having said that hee, it's still a compelling movie, well scripted and well produced with some excellent performances.
others:
-Both Conrad Dunne & Nicky Guadagni as jurors Rafael Ramos & Beryl Granger were outstanding as the two jurors with totally different views about the case and who were involved in the most explosive scenes in the movie.
-George Jenesky is especially outstanding in this film. playing nice older greek man Horace Stefanos. All around one of the finest movies I've seen in years. Gripping and exciting throughout. Oh how I wish they would put this on video tape.
- avdvelden from The Hague, Netherlands : I don't find some of these characters very believable.Weird jury-system you've got in America is this is how it goes.